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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2017, 11:20:43 AM »
Its a good album, but jesus christ infnite still claiming that what ever albums ass he's got his tongue up this week is a forgotten classic.


btw the inclusion of Kendrick Lamar in m doggs list is a shame.. the rest was fairly on point but two recent (in the scheme of the list) albums from the same guy.. when 2pac, for example.. doesn't get all eyez on me... which IS a (flawed) classic..  IMO..


a classic has to be a 360 degree thing. great album, sold well, did well in the mainstream consciousness, was for men and women and worldwide... etc.. streetz aint that (and  neither is Kendrick Lamar )



I actually have a list of 58, which I'm about to expand to 60, that's "more inclusive" and has more "classics'. I just put this one up, taking out the ones I thought were flawed classics and only focusing on works that I think are pure classics. Also, it pisses off Sccit, and if it's one thing I've learned in 15 years, it's how to piss of Sccit. Dude is almost 30 and still gets pissed off easily.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2017, 11:27:48 AM »
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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2017, 12:15:19 PM »
Its a good album, but jesus christ infnite still claiming that what ever albums ass he's got his tongue up this week is a forgotten classic.


btw the inclusion of Kendrick Lamar in m doggs list is a shame.. the rest was fairly on point but two recent (in the scheme of the list) albums from the same guy.. when 2pac, for example.. doesn't get all eyez on me... which IS a (flawed) classic..  IMO..


a classic has to be a 360 degree thing. great album, sold well, did well in the mainstream consciousness, was for men and women and worldwide... etc.. streetz aint that (and  neither is Kendrick Lamar )



I actually have a list of 58, which I'm about to expand to 60, that's "more inclusive" and has more "classics'. I just put this one up, taking out the ones I thought were flawed classics and only focusing on works that I think are pure classics. Also, it pisses off Sccit, and if it's one thing I've learned in 15 years, it's how to piss of Sccit. Dude is almost 30 and still gets pissed off easily.

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2017, 01:28:43 PM »
Bad Azz's first album was good but it wasn't a classic.


Classic to me

Soopafly first album too

I'd love to see your classics list. I wrote one, I was very tough, and I still had like 60 albums. And I didn't put in a lot of ones you thought I should, which would have put it at like 100. So I'd like to see yours.

If you had 60 classic albums than your grading scale is to easy

I got shit for being too hard and leaving out a number of albums. Honestly, I think Hip-Hop's grading scale is too easy. People are like, they need 3 classics before they get GOAT conversations. Like seriously, 3 classics! Hip-Hop gives out classic labels too easy. Almost every mainstream rapper that is somewhat big gets a classic album. Maybe we need to stop using the word classic and start talking about how artist have their trademark album, or they have their own masterpiece album. Because the word classic gets thrown around a lot. Looking at the list, it's actually 58, I could take out a lot and be happy with the list, the more I think about it. Like here would be the list....

1.   Kurtis Blow - Kurtis Blow - 1980
2.   Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message -1982
3.   Wild Style Original Soundtrack - 1983
4.   Run-DMC - Run DMC - 1984
5.   Boogie Down Production - Criminal Minded - 1987
6.   Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full - 1987
7.   Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 1988
8.   N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - 1988
9.   A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory - 1991
10.   Dr. Dre - The Chronic - 1992
11.   Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - 1993
12.   Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle - 1993
13.   Nas - Illmatic - 1994
14.   The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 1994
15.   2Pac - Me Against the World - 1995
16.   Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - 1998
17.   Dr. Dre - 2001 - 1999
18.   Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 2000
19.   Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2001
20.   Nas - Stillmatic - 2001
21.   Kanye West - College Dropout - 2004
22.   Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City - 2012
23.   Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly - 2015

Forget what I'm missing, what else can we cut.


To me, classic is only about quality of music .. Impact etc doesn't mean shit to me, because I don't give a shit what other people think. Most people are stupid as fuck. If it slaps front to back with no filler and I can play it every day of my life, it's a classic.

The what are classic albums to you. Like to me, I have Streetz Iz A Mutha as a personal and street classic. But I don't consider it a straight Hip-Hop classic because I can argue about it's weak points and weak songs. Like Represent That GC, which honestly is one of my favorite songs to listen to, even to this day, where he raps the same words over and over and has maybe the most simple bars I've heard from Kurupt. So to me, it's a solid album, but not really a classic.

Lol @ Kendrick having two classics but not dogg food, and not a single Bay Area album .... You're a funny guy.

no South albums either lol I mean we're all entitled to our own opinions and in my opinion that list is basically the same cliche list you would see on Rollingstone or Complex but it's all good

basically Too $hort, E-40, OutKast, UGK, Scarface, Geto Boys, Three 6 Mafia, etc. don't have any classics then  :laugh:
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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2017, 03:28:12 PM »
Bad Azz's first album was good but it wasn't a classic.


Classic to me

Soopafly first album too

I'd love to see your classics list. I wrote one, I was very tough, and I still had like 60 albums. And I didn't put in a lot of ones you thought I should, which would have put it at like 100. So I'd like to see yours.

If you had 60 classic albums than your grading scale is to easy

I got shit for being too hard and leaving out a number of albums. Honestly, I think Hip-Hop's grading scale is too easy. People are like, they need 3 classics before they get GOAT conversations. Like seriously, 3 classics! Hip-Hop gives out classic labels too easy. Almost every mainstream rapper that is somewhat big gets a classic album. Maybe we need to stop using the word classic and start talking about how artist have their trademark album, or they have their own masterpiece album. Because the word classic gets thrown around a lot. Looking at the list, it's actually 58, I could take out a lot and be happy with the list, the more I think about it. Like here would be the list....

1.   Kurtis Blow - Kurtis Blow - 1980
2.   Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message -1982
3.   Wild Style Original Soundtrack - 1983
4.   Run-DMC - Run DMC - 1984
5.   Boogie Down Production - Criminal Minded - 1987
6.   Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full - 1987
7.   Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 1988
8.   N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - 1988
9.   A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory - 1991
10.   Dr. Dre - The Chronic - 1992
11.   Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - 1993
12.   Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle - 1993
13.   Nas - Illmatic - 1994
14.   The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 1994
15.   2Pac - Me Against the World - 1995
16.   Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - 1998
17.   Dr. Dre - 2001 - 1999
18.   Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 2000
19.   Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2001
20.   Nas - Stillmatic - 2001
21.   Kanye West - College Dropout - 2004
22.   Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City - 2012
23.   Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly - 2015

Forget what I'm missing, what else can we cut.


To me, classic is only about quality of music .. Impact etc doesn't mean shit to me, because I don't give a shit what other people think. Most people are stupid as fuck. If it slaps front to back with no filler and I can play it every day of my life, it's a classic.

The what are classic albums to you. Like to me, I have Streetz Iz A Mutha as a personal and street classic. But I don't consider it a straight Hip-Hop classic because I can argue about it's weak points and weak songs. Like Represent That GC, which honestly is one of my favorite songs to listen to, even to this day, where he raps the same words over and over and has maybe the most simple bars I've heard from Kurupt. So to me, it's a solid album, but not really a classic.

Lol @ Kendrick having two classics but not dogg food, and not a single Bay Area album .... You're a funny guy.

no South albums either lol I mean we're all entitled to our own opinions and in my opinion that list is basically the same cliche list you would see on Rollingstone or Complex but it's all good

basically Too $hort, E-40, OutKast, UGK, Scarface, Geto Boys, Three 6 Mafia, etc. don't have any classics then  :laugh:

I put my big list and I got critized for some southern albums. I'm going to update my big list and repost that.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2017, 03:48:07 PM »
Bad Azz's first album was good but it wasn't a classic.


Classic to me

Soopafly first album too

I'd love to see your classics list. I wrote one, I was very tough, and I still had like 60 albums. And I didn't put in a lot of ones you thought I should, which would have put it at like 100. So I'd like to see yours.

If you had 60 classic albums than your grading scale is to easy

I got shit for being too hard and leaving out a number of albums. Honestly, I think Hip-Hop's grading scale is too easy. People are like, they need 3 classics before they get GOAT conversations. Like seriously, 3 classics! Hip-Hop gives out classic labels too easy. Almost every mainstream rapper that is somewhat big gets a classic album. Maybe we need to stop using the word classic and start talking about how artist have their trademark album, or they have their own masterpiece album. Because the word classic gets thrown around a lot. Looking at the list, it's actually 58, I could take out a lot and be happy with the list, the more I think about it. Like here would be the list....

1.   Kurtis Blow - Kurtis Blow - 1980
2.   Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message -1982
3.   Wild Style Original Soundtrack - 1983
4.   Run-DMC - Run DMC - 1984
5.   Boogie Down Production - Criminal Minded - 1987
6.   Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full - 1987
7.   Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 1988
8.   N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - 1988
9.   A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory - 1991
10.   Dr. Dre - The Chronic - 1992
11.   Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - 1993
12.   Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle - 1993
13.   Nas - Illmatic - 1994
14.   The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 1994
15.   2Pac - Me Against the World - 1995
16.   Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - 1998
17.   Dr. Dre - 2001 - 1999
18.   Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 2000
19.   Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2001
20.   Nas - Stillmatic - 2001
21.   Kanye West - College Dropout - 2004
22.   Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City - 2012
23.   Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly - 2015

Forget what I'm missing, what else can we cut.


To me, classic is only about quality of music .. Impact etc doesn't mean shit to me, because I don't give a shit what other people think. Most people are stupid as fuck. If it slaps front to back with no filler and I can play it every day of my life, it's a classic.

The what are classic albums to you. Like to me, I have Streetz Iz A Mutha as a personal and street classic. But I don't consider it a straight Hip-Hop classic because I can argue about it's weak points and weak songs. Like Represent That GC, which honestly is one of my favorite songs to listen to, even to this day, where he raps the same words over and over and has maybe the most simple bars I've heard from Kurupt. So to me, it's a solid album, but not really a classic.

Lol @ Kendrick having two classics but not dogg food, and not a single Bay Area album .... You're a funny guy.

no South albums either lol I mean we're all entitled to our own opinions and in my opinion that list is basically the same cliche list you would see on Rollingstone or Complex but it's all good

basically Too $hort, E-40, OutKast, UGK, Scarface, Geto Boys, Three 6 Mafia, etc. don't have any classics then  :laugh:

I put my big list and I got critized for some southern albums. I'm going to update my big list and repost that.

I actually might recall that, but shame on whoever was critical of an album just based off it being Southern... if I had any debate maybe you said for example one Geto Boys album was a classic where I felt a different album from them was
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2017, 03:51:02 PM »
Here's the large list, with album covers. LOL Not arguments people have on Outkast and Geto Boys. But they didn't like Wayne. I personally didn't either, but it changed the game and all over the radio these mumble rappers try to be like him. The Carter III changed the game.

Kurtis Blow - Kurtis Blow - 1980


Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message -1982


Wild Style Original Soundtrack - 1983


Run-DMC - Run DMC - 1984


LL Cool J - Radio - 1985


Run-DMC - Raising Hell - 1986


Boogie Down Production - Criminal Minded - 1987


Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full - 1987


Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick - 1988


EPMD - Strictly Business -1988


Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane - 1988


Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 1988


N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - 1988


Eazy-E - Eazy Does It - 1988


Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown -1988


Boogie Down Productions - By All Means Necessary - 1988


De La Soul - 3 Feel High and Rising - 1989


D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better - 1989


Too $Hort - Life is Too $hort - 1989


Geto Boys - Grip It! On That Other Level - 1989


Jungle Brothers - Done by the Forces of Nature - 1989


Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet -1990


A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -1990


Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - 1990


DJ Quik - Quik Is the Name - 1991


A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory - 1991


Ice Cube - Death Certificate 1991


Redman - Whut? Thee Album - 1992


The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde - 1992


Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother - 1992


Dr. Dre - The Chronic - 1992


Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - 1993


Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle - 1993


Nas - Illmatic - 1994


Scarface - The Diary - 1994


The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 1994


Warren G - Regulate... the G-Funk Era


OutKast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - 1994


Chef Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... - 1995


Mobb Deep - The Infamous - 1995


2Pac - Me Against the World - 1995


2Pac - All Eyez On Me - 1996


Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory - 1996


Fugees - The Score - 1996


The Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death - 1997


Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - 1998


OutKast - Aquemini - 1998


The Roots - Things Fall Apart - 1999


Dr. Dre - 2001 - 1999


Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 2000


Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2001


Nas - Stillmatic - 2001


Eminem - The Eminem Show - 2002


Kanye West - College Dropout - 2004


Common - Be - 2005


Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury - 2006


Lil' Wayne - The Carter III - 2008 (I threw up a little bit in my mouth, but it set the tone for most modern hip-hop)


Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 2010


Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City - 2012


Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly - 2015
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2017, 06:42:28 PM »
musically I will never ever acknowledge Carter III as a classic because there were most definitely a handful of garbage tracks that I skipped back then and still do now, but in terms of impact I hate to agree with you lol Carter 1 and II >>> though
 

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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2017, 07:53:21 PM »
It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex
 

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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2017, 08:31:24 PM »
It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

I challenge you to make yours. You wouldn't, because you have no opinions. Just hate.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2017, 08:35:24 PM »
It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

I challenge you to make yours. You wouldn't, because you have no opinions. Just hate.

I'm not hating, that actually IS my opinion....and now you mad, when u claim u were the one tryna make me mad just a few posts up lolsmh.

it's guna take me a full working day to come up with a list fulla hip-hop classics. no way Jose.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2017, 08:40:09 PM »
musically I will never ever acknowledge Carter III as a classic because there were most definitely a handful of garbage tracks that I skipped back then and still do now, but in terms of impact I hate to agree with you lol Carter 1 and II >>> though

I like II myself. LOL. But it's got too many tracks and some of them bring the album down. III had a LOT of singles, and a LOT of garbage. But it basically created that mumble rap shit that's still here 9 years later, mainly because Wayne was too high of syzurp to even rap correctly.

It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

I challenge you to make yours. You wouldn't, because you have no opinions. Just hate.

I'm not hating, that actually IS my opinion....and now you mad, when u claim u were the one tryna make me mad just a few posts up lolsmh.

it's guna take me a full working day to come up with a list fulla hip-hop classics. no way Jose.

IF I WAS MAD I'D TYPE IN CAPS LOCK LIKE YOU. LMAO.

Nah homie, I'm just challenging you because I did take time. I took that time to create a list. I actually did it for myself, because I want to start to collect these on vinyl. I was going to start to order, and buy each one and create a collection of the greatest hip-hop albums of all time. Once I was done, I thought, hey, this is some shit I should throw up on DubCC because why the fuck not? It creates conversation, debate, controversy.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2017, 09:38:46 PM »
It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

Got to go with my x-homie Sccit on this one.... MDogg your list is too generic like something out of a Complex magazine.  Like... "Oh I can't put Slim Shady LP because I already have two other Eminem albums and then I wouldn't look critical enough, and I have to be fair and put Lil Wayne on there..."  and still how can you leave G Funk Era and Dogg Food off?  Overall it's not a bad list and appreciate the covers to go with it...

...and actually Sccit's would probably be worse if he posted it all out with pics like MDogg did, it would have B list/3rd rate artists like Brotha Lynch and X-Raided on there and probably his friend Roccy ;D
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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2017, 10:10:21 PM »
musically I will never ever acknowledge Carter III as a classic because there were most definitely a handful of garbage tracks that I skipped back then and still do now, but in terms of impact I hate to agree with you lol Carter 1 and II >>> though

I like II myself. LOL. But it's got too many tracks and some of them bring the album down. III had a LOT of singles, and a LOT of garbage. But it basically created that mumble rap shit that's still here 9 years later, mainly because Wayne was too high of syzurp to even rap correctly.

It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

I challenge you to make yours. You wouldn't, because you have no opinions. Just hate.

I'm not hating, that actually IS my opinion....and now you mad, when u claim u were the one tryna make me mad just a few posts up lolsmh.

it's guna take me a full working day to come up with a list fulla hip-hop classics. no way Jose.

IF I WAS MAD I'D TYPE IN CAPS LOCK LIKE YOU. LMAO.

Nah homie, I'm just challenging you because I did take time. I took that time to create a list. I actually did it for myself, because I want to start to collect these on vinyl. I was going to start to order, and buy each one and create a collection of the greatest hip-hop albums of all time. Once I was done, I thought, hey, this is some shit I should throw up on DubCC because why the fuck not? It creates conversation, debate, controversy.

lil wayne album a classic for starting the worst era in rap? great logic u got there

I DONT TYPE IN CAPS LOCK TO CONVEY EMOTION. I TYPE IN CAPS LOCK BECAUSE IT GETS OTHERS IN THEY EMOTIONS.

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props on making a list tho, even if it does suck
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2017, 10:12:13 PM »
It's still a garbage list lol .. Like bloodmoney said, some generic list you would see on complex

Got to go with my x-homie Sccit on this one.... MDogg your list is too generic like something out of a Complex magazine.  Like... "Oh I can't put Slim Shady LP because I already have two other Eminem albums and then I wouldn't look critical enough, and I have to be fair and put Lil Wayne on there..."  and still how can you leave G Funk Era and Dogg Food off?  Overall it's not a bad list and appreciate the covers to go with it...

...and actually Sccit's would probably be worse if he posted it all out with pics like MDogg did, it would have B list/3rd rate artists like Brotha Lynch and X-Raided on there and probably his friend Roccy ;D


I might have brotha lynch & x-raided in there, but I damn sure wouldn't have lil wayne, and I damn sure wouldn't list 2 kendrick albums over undisputed classics like efil4zaffin and dogg food.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2017, 10:27:52 PM »
Haha, you all are proving my original point. In Hip Hop the word classic gets thrown around to much. The word classic is makes in Hip Hop. I post sixty sounds, and then, what about this, what about that? Then you take an album it like Wayne, but then you go, will it makes sense because to be fair to that horrible style of rap everyone has been doing for 9 fucking years. Take out Kendrick, but I'd argue Chronic was a classic in one year, and both K Dot's albums are the critical successes of this horrible era.

Bottom line, the word classic gets thrown around Hip Hop too damn much. There are no Hip Hop classics. The weird should only be used for at most 10 albums. That would be if, Run DMC, Paid in Full, Criminal Minded, Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Illmatic, Me Against the World, Ready to Die, maybe Blueprint, maybe something else. But the world classic gets thrown around too much, look at my post before I start listing stuff. My "generic" list started as a vinyl list for my personal self, then thought I'd share it a couple years ago to create some conversation and controversy. To me, the list was trying to capture different Hip Hop essential albums. Like you HAVE to own these albums to understand the diversity of Hip Hop. Even Lil' Wayne. But classics, there are only so many classics, it's a watered down word we get mad when someone doesn't think our favorite album isn't 5 mic worthy.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2017, 10:34:35 PM »
Haha, you all are proving my original point. In Hip Hop the word classic gets thrown around to much. The word classic is makes in Hip Hop. I post sixty sounds, and then, what about this, what about that? Then you take an album it like Wayne, but then you go, will it makes sense because to be fair to that horrible style of rap everyone has been doing for 9 fucking years. Take out Kendrick, but I'd argue Chronic was a classic in one year, and both K Dot's albums are the critical successes of this horrible era.

Bottom line, the word classic gets thrown around Hip Hop too damn much. There are no Hip Hop classics. The weird should only be used for at most 10 albums. That would be if, Run DMC, Paid in Full, Criminal Minded, Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Illmatic, Me Against the World, Ready to Die, maybe Blueprint, maybe something else. But the world classic gets thrown around too much, look at my post before I start listing stuff. My "generic" list started as a vinyl list for my personal self, then thought I'd share it a couple years ago to create some conversation and controversy. To me, the list was trying to capture different Hip Hop essential albums. Like you HAVE to own these albums to understand the diversity of Hip Hop. Even Lil' Wayne. But classics, there are only so many classics, it's a watered down word we get mad when someone doesn't think our favorite album isn't 5 mic worthy.


classic is a vague term...what may be classic to u could be trash to some1 else. like I said originally, to me, the term classic defines quality of work. if an album can bump front to back and has nothin but great music, thats a classic, I don't care if it sold 10 copies or 10 million copies. it's all about the quality. dubee's debut album is a classic to me (and pretty much any hip-hop fan who fux wit bay rap)...but u prolly never even heard it.

but what really fux me up is that u named an album that you just said started a garbage era of hip-hop and u called it a classic. u literally said that lil wayne was too high off of syrup to rap good, but because the dumbass hipster fags made it popular, it's now a hip-hop classic. u are basically the epitome of a sheep g.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2017, 10:43:16 PM »
Because a lot of people thought it was so good that they try to recreate it. It started something that I may not understand, or even like, but you can't deny that others like it. To not understand that it created a movement is to be stubborn. So it was thrown into my list, because it's an essential Hip Hop album.

Since originally making the list myself, I switched what classic makes to me. To me we over use the word classic. Years ago I'd call my list classics, now I only use that word for lack of a better word. I'd say there are only like 10 real classics, the rest are great albums, masterpieces, whatever you want to call them. But I think of it like this, if I had to pick albums to put in the library of Congress to document Hip Hop, and I only had 10, what would I pick? Maybe it's 9, maybe I'd need 11 or 12. But the word classic has to be toned down, because you can't have 100 classic albums.
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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2017, 12:12:34 AM »
classic, street classic, underground classic, personal classic are all one in the same when it comes down to it, some people might only have a dozen albums they would call classic others may have a hundred lol I know if I came up with a list of every album (even outside rap) that I would consider classic in any sense of the word I'd be typing for a day... but I can dig what you're saying about if you had to narrow a list for the library of Congress to represent the genre lol probably have to give them at least 50
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2017, 12:26:11 AM »
Because a lot of people thought it was so good that they try to recreate it. It started something that I may not understand, or even like, but you can't deny that others like it. To not understand that it created a movement is to be stubborn. So it was thrown into my list, because it's an essential Hip Hop album.

Since originally making the list myself, I switched what classic makes to me. To me we over use the word classic. Years ago I'd call my list classics, now I only use that word for lack of a better word. I'd say there are only like 10 real classics, the rest are great albums, masterpieces, whatever you want to call them. But I think of it like this, if I had to pick albums to put in the library of Congress to document Hip Hop, and I only had 10, what would I pick? Maybe it's 9, maybe I'd need 11 or 12. But the word classic has to be toned down, because you can't have 100 classic albums.

so because others like it, it's classic....just like I said, sheep mentality. basically, if the general consensus told u that a piece of shit wrapped in plastic was classic, you'd be inclined to agree.

cmon now

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thats the definition. if u don't consider carter III OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, then its not a classic. period.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2017, 07:57:09 AM »
Because a lot of people thought it was so good that they try to recreate it. It started something that I may not understand, or even like, but you can't deny that others like it. To not understand that it created a movement is to be stubborn. So it was thrown into my list, because it's an essential Hip Hop album.

Since originally making the list myself, I switched what classic makes to me. To me we over use the word classic. Years ago I'd call my list classics, now I only use that word for lack of a better word. I'd say there are only like 10 real classics, the rest are great albums, masterpieces, whatever you want to call them. But I think of it like this, if I had to pick albums to put in the library of Congress to document Hip Hop, and I only had 10, what would I pick? Maybe it's 9, maybe I'd need 11 or 12. But the word classic has to be toned down, because you can't have 100 classic albums.

so because others like it, it's classic....just like I said, sheep mentality. basically, if the general consensus told u that a piece of shit wrapped in plastic was classic, you'd be inclined to agree.

cmon now

clas·sic
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adjective
1.
judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

thats the definition. if u don't consider carter III OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, then its not a classic. period.

Nah, if you have read what I've said in this thread, I said that yes, 2 years ago I'd called these classics, but I don't anymore. I think the word classic gets used too much. I'd call this a list of influential albums, which the Carter III is influential, or maybe essential albums to knowing about Hip-Hop. But I'd narrow a list of classics to maybe 10 albums, maybe 15. The word classic is used too damn much.

This definition: judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

Nothing from Brotha Lynch & X-Raided fits that. Outside the westcoast, really Warren G doesn't fit that, outside the south Lil' Wayne doesn't fit that. If I was to narrow down the list of what fits THAT description, I'd have 10-15 albums, 15 MAX. I'd have a lot of songs, A LOT of songs. I'd have a LOT of Bay Area songs. But whole albums, you can find fault in many albums. Warren G on the G Funk Era SUCKED in rapping, many albums have skits that completely throw off the feel of the album listening from front to back, lots of these albums have skipable tracks.

So I DON'T consider Carter III highest quality. I also don't Warren G because of his rapping, Brotha Lynch, X-Raided, Kurupt on Streetz Iz A Mutha. Just because it's west coast and I prefer west coast music doesn't mean I have to label west coast classics as classics! Looking at the whole game, the grand scheme of things, Dogg Food didn't do much to move the needle in Hip-Hop. So just because I bump I Don't Like to Dream About Gettin' Paid the day before every payday don't mean it's a classic. It's a truly dope album, it's a west coast classic and if I was to make a list of albums from the west to listen to, so that person could understand west coast rap, it's be a top 10 album to check out. But that don't make it a classic. As I've said, classic gets WAY over used.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2017, 11:08:29 AM »
Because a lot of people thought it was so good that they try to recreate it. It started something that I may not understand, or even like, but you can't deny that others like it. To not understand that it created a movement is to be stubborn. So it was thrown into my list, because it's an essential Hip Hop album.

Since originally making the list myself, I switched what classic makes to me. To me we over use the word classic. Years ago I'd call my list classics, now I only use that word for lack of a better word. I'd say there are only like 10 real classics, the rest are great albums, masterpieces, whatever you want to call them. But I think of it like this, if I had to pick albums to put in the library of Congress to document Hip Hop, and I only had 10, what would I pick? Maybe it's 9, maybe I'd need 11 or 12. But the word classic has to be toned down, because you can't have 100 classic albums.

so because others like it, it's classic....just like I said, sheep mentality. basically, if the general consensus told u that a piece of shit wrapped in plastic was classic, you'd be inclined to agree.

cmon now

clas·sic
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adjective
1.
judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

thats the definition. if u don't consider carter III OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, then its not a classic. period.

Nah, if you have read what I've said in this thread, I said that yes, 2 years ago I'd called these classics, but I don't anymore. I think the word classic gets used too much. I'd call this a list of influential albums, which the Carter III is influential, or maybe essential albums to knowing about Hip-Hop. But I'd narrow a list of classics to maybe 10 albums, maybe 15. The word classic is used too damn much.

This definition: judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

Nothing from Brotha Lynch & X-Raided fits that. Outside the westcoast, really Warren G doesn't fit that, outside the south Lil' Wayne doesn't fit that. If I was to narrow down the list of what fits THAT description, I'd have 10-15 albums, 15 MAX. I'd have a lot of songs, A LOT of songs. I'd have a LOT of Bay Area songs. But whole albums, you can find fault in many albums. Warren G on the G Funk Era SUCKED in rapping, many albums have skits that completely throw off the feel of the album listening from front to back, lots of these albums have skipable tracks.

So I DON'T consider Carter III highest quality. I also don't Warren G because of his rapping, Brotha Lynch, X-Raided, Kurupt on Streetz Iz A Mutha. Just because it's west coast and I prefer west coast music doesn't mean I have to label west coast classics as classics! Looking at the whole game, the grand scheme of things, Dogg Food didn't do much to move the needle in Hip-Hop. So just because I bump I Don't Like to Dream About Gettin' Paid the day before every payday don't mean it's a classic. It's a truly dope album, it's a west coast classic and if I was to make a list of albums from the west to listen to, so that person could understand west coast rap, it's be a top 10 album to check out. But that don't make it a classic. As I've said, classic gets WAY over used.

Warren G doesn't have an album of the highest quality/outstanding of its kind? Regulate is pretty much the album that defined the smooth, melodic hip-hop of that era..

Season of da Siccness isn't of the highest quality in terms of horrorcore? It's not outstanding of its kind?? Maybe u should go listen to it again (if uv ever even heard it)

Warren g's album is about as much about the bars as a pink floyd album .. Would u discredit pink floyd because they're not lyrical? It's like discrediting wu tang because there's not enough harmonizing on their shit .. This is the Will B mentality and its retarded. Warren G was the best at what he did .. Brotha lynch was the best at what he did .. Their albums are classics in that regard.

Again, classic has nothing to do with moving the needle, so I duno why u keep bringin that up. It's like saying drake is better than kendrick cuz he sold more records. Dumbass sheep shit. To say there are only 10 rap albums of the highest quality is some snob logic, if I ever heard it.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2017, 11:16:32 AM »
if there can be hundreds of classic movies, shows, books, etc. there can be the same if not more with albums... bottom line
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2017, 12:25:19 PM »
Simple Sccit, because part of judging quality is judging how it moved people, and in Hip-Hop, the culture. Did that piece of work influence others to follow the leader. People are trying to tell me on the East that MF Doom is the GOAT rapper of all time. That's just crazy! MF Doom is a great lyrist, but he hasn't moved the culture. In a genre in which there are many, many giants who moved the culture, then why settle for those that haven't. The moment you start saying, well that's a classic, that's a classic, that's a classic, then what does classic even mean. Then we start talking about the Luniz, who had a great song, well that album has to be classic. Did Mr. Grimm have a classic?

Blood$, easy, movies have been out for over 100 years. Even looking at Hip-Hop, Hip-Hop's been on the radio for 35 years. You say there are 60 classics, just a number. That's almost 2 classics a year. In movies, you say there are 200 classic action movies, because action is a genre. Remember, there are different movie genres out there. You have comedy, you have dramas, you have horror. If you compare movies, then you do music. In music you have rock, you have R&B, you have Hip-Hop, you have whatever L.A.M.B. is. Movies are in different genres, just like music is in different genres.
 

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Re: Was Streetz is a Mutha a near Classic?
« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2017, 01:25:00 PM »
part of judging quality is judging how it moved people

if you are a sheep

The moment you start saying, well that's a classic, that's a classic, that's a classic, then what does classic even mean

of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind



you are clearly mad based on your snide remarks. don't be upset, just work on your flaws bro.