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Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« on: March 12, 2017, 12:34:41 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000 led by 2Pac's "Who Do U Believe In?" -- What was your favorite disc -- Disc 1 or Disc 2 -- And what was some of your favorite unreleased cuts that should have made the album?

I am going with Disc 1 -- I loved the track by E-40 -- it was such a pleasure to have E-40 open up the doors for the new Row era -- "I thought You Knew" was a banger, also the beat for Daz & Tha Realest track "It's Going Down" was crazy great!  I really enjoy when Daz & Tha Realest collab and lets hope we see this again in the future -- Instead of "Curiosity," I think they should have put "Can't Mobb Deep" or "Tha Last Circle" -- The two feature tracks for Top Dogg "Cindafella" and Soopafly "Like It Or Not" round out the first disc, along with the Pac gem "Who Do You Believe In"

Would have loved to see Top Dogg and Doctor Dre "Hoe Hopper" (couldn't because of legal issues) -- Tha Realest "Can't Mobb Deep" & "Takin Pictures in the Cemetary" & unreleased Kurupt "I Just Don't Bang No More" would've rounded out the second disc -- "Roll Wit Us" was a classic by Tha Dogg Pound and "OG to BG" -- the last 5 tracks of the second disc should've been so much better and they should've just stuck with Top Dogg, Daz, Tha Realest, and maybe some guest appearances -- the last 5 tracks on Disc 2 (that milkbone track and capricorn) made what I thought was an otherwise great album have a soft landing

Great guest appearances by Naughty By Nature, E-40, Ant Banks, and Scarface
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2017, 10:16:51 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 12:30:24 PM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

lmfao!
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2017, 01:03:30 PM »
both not great
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2017, 04:59:55 PM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

lmfao!

+2 this retard is really reaching  8)
 

Jay Wallace

Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2017, 05:39:02 PM »
+2 this retard is really reaching  8)
  If a Death Row rapper stood in the background of a local car dealership video in 1999, he'd probably spin it like, "He was getting a major push with lots of mainstream attention appearing in commercials that got major airplay".
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2017, 10:09:07 PM »
+2 this retard is really reaching  8)
  If a Death Row rapper stood in the background of a local car dealership video in 1999, he'd probably spin it like, "He was getting a major push with lots of mainstream attention appearing in commercials that got major airplay".

money lol
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 02:25:42 AM »
neva heard this.
https://twitter.com/dggfthr

http://dogg-n-roll.blog.hu/

HELP

I'm an ol' school collecta from the 90's SO F.CK DIGITAL, RELEASE A CD!

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RIP BAD AZZ
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 11:35:52 PM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 12:14:29 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup

doesn't change the fact that it didn't rock the charts, lol.
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2017, 12:25:06 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup

doesn't change the fact that it didn't rock the charts, lol.

800k isnt bad -- Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2017, 06:47:04 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup

doesn't change the fact that it didn't rock the charts, lol.

800k isnt bad -- Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?

Snoop doubled those sales in 1999 with No Limit Top Dogg
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 08:14:34 AM »
E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup
 
It’s misleading to say that any of those artists released that album.  They are featured on it and it’s none of their best work.  Death Row has had far more impressive guest lists prior to this.  You are once again, doing the publicist thing.  An all-star lineup means nothing if it’s not strong, consistent material.  It’s not what you have, it’s how you use it.  Plenty of movies with all-star casts that completely suck.

800k isnt bad

You didn’t say “isn’t bad”.  You said it “rocked the charts”.  There is a world of difference between the phrasing here.

Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?

That’s a pointless comparison to even make.  Different time, different economy, different musical landscape, drastically different means of selling/promoting music.   Are you really that oblivious to “context” that you would think this is a reasonable comparison?

But allow me to point out a couple things.  800k is the total number of units sold during its recorded peak period (probably anywhere from 1 year to 3).  Since it is a double album, that means it actually sold something like 400,000 physical copies.  Snoop’s “Game is to Be Sold” sold over 500,000 physical copies in its first week alone.  “Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath” and “Tha Doggfather” both sold over a million copies.  All of Snoop’s albums until about 2006 all have sold over one million copies. 
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 10:36:35 AM »
From the Gold selling album that rocked the charts in 2000.

Rocked the charts?  Mother fucker please!  You're really pushing to be the publicist for the revisionist history of a defunct label.

E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup

doesn't change the fact that it didn't rock the charts, lol.

800k isnt bad -- Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?

show us the receipt for 800K units sold lol that shit was a brick
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2017, 11:45:57 AM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2
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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2017, 03:23:25 PM »
E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup
 
It’s misleading to say that any of those artists released that album.  They are featured on it and it’s none of their best work.  Death Row has had far more impressive guest lists prior to this.  You are once again, doing the publicist thing.  An all-star lineup means nothing if it’s not strong, consistent material.  It’s not what you have, it’s how you use it.  Plenty of movies with all-star casts that completely suck.

800k isnt bad

You didn’t say “isn’t bad”.  You said it “rocked the charts”.  There is a world of difference between the phrasing here.

Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?

That’s a pointless comparison to even make.  Different time, different economy, different musical landscape, drastically different means of selling/promoting music.   Are you really that oblivious to “context” that you would think this is a reasonable comparison?

But allow me to point out a couple things.  800k is the total number of units sold during its recorded peak period (probably anywhere from 1 year to 3).  Since it is a double album, that means it actually sold something like 400,000 physical copies.  Snoop’s “Game is to Be Sold” sold over 500,000 physical copies in its first week alone.  “Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath” and “Tha Doggfather” both sold over a million copies.  All of Snoop’s albums until about 2006 all have sold over one million copies. 


Because it's a double unit, it counts as 2 units per sale -- they mentioned on the Official Death Row Records Website and Suge mentioned that Chronic 2000 is Gold
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2017, 03:31:36 PM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2

I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2017, 03:35:23 PM »
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It’s misleading to say that any of those artists released that album.  They are featured on it and it’s none of their best work.

Scarface, Pac, & Treach's name were allover the promo material alongside Dre & Snoop before they pulled them off
Treach was on the radio promoting it talking about how he's going to be on The Chronic 2000, he was on Big Boy radio talking about how he's opening up the door for the brand new Row with all the new talent

Don't know how that's misleading?
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2017, 03:40:24 PM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2

I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)

because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)

still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2017, 04:00:52 PM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2

I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)

because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)

still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol

Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!

"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..."   
Source:  http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/

The Death Row website also reported it as GOLD and MTV a few times mentioned it was GOLD, after mentioning Dre's album was certified 5x platinum
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 08:21:52 PM »
Scarface, Pac, & Treach's name were allover the promo material alongside Dre & Snoop before they pulled them off
Treach was on the radio promoting it talking about how he's going to be on The Chronic 2000, he was on Big Boy radio talking about how he's opening up the door for the brand new Row with all the new talent


Show me a link to any of these Treach interviews and then we'll talk.  Until then, I will remain skeptical. 


Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!

"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..."   
Source:  http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/
 

Its peak position on the Billboard 200 was #11.  It was a modest success at the time but "rocking the charts" is a bit of a stretch.
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 08:33:29 PM »
Also, Realest "Takin' Pictures in Cemetary" was recorded in late 2000 as was "Can't Mobb Deep". Realest was promoting these songs after the release of "Too Gangsta For Radio".
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2017, 07:21:07 AM »
Disk 1 is tight , far better in my opinion .i still listen to it .damn, i miss these days..
now everybody and their mama is listen to gangsta rap..LMAO
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2017, 07:28:49 AM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2

I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)

because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)

still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol

Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!

"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..."   
Source:  http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/

The Death Row website also reported it as GOLD and MTV a few times mentioned it was GOLD, after mentioning Dre's album was certified 5x platinum

Daz and Kurupt's first solo albums also debuted in the top 10, nobody would say that they rocked the charts tho :laugh:
 

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Re: Chronic 2000: First Disc vs. Second Disc
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 01:55:13 AM »
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2

I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)

because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)

still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol

Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!

"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..."   
Source:  http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/

The Death Row website also reported it as GOLD and MTV a few times mentioned it was GOLD, after mentioning Dre's album was certified 5x platinum

Daz and Kurupt's first solo albums also debuted in the top 10, nobody would say that they rocked the charts tho :laugh:

Dogg Pound's first two albums:  "Dogg Food" debuted at #1, so that was rocking the charts -- it ended up selling 3 or 4 million units --  "2002" debuted at #36 and sold around 400k-550k
"Dogg Food" tore up the charts -- tell me an artist right now putting up those numbers that Tha Dogg Pound put up!