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Death Row was dumb not to release the albums (and I'm sure the bad distribution deal with Koch and d3 had something to do with it, Suge was trying to do a platinum album without the support of a MAJOR or having to digest their input on his records and share in the publishing, but the real money would've been selling the tracks/albums on the website) -- they were going to struggle getting radio spins with those distributors -- why record all these thousands of tracks and just let them collect dust -- no label ever made a killing sitting on all their music -- the best thing they could've done is put on them on the Official Death Row Records website and sell them for 55 cents each and let the viewers sample a 15 second snippet before they buy -- they already had a house name and a fanbase, plus their most hardcore fans were on that website and would've bought the music (they would've at least made SOMETHING on these tracks, instead of ZERO) -- but then again, like Clifford said, they weren't even showing up for court and they were running the business into the ground -- it just doesn't make ANY sense to sit on thousands of singles and hundreds of albums with ZERO return! The Lisa "NINA" Lopes & Crooked I albums would've sold at the very least!
Quote from: love33 on March 17, 2017, 10:54:49 PMDeath Row was dumb not to release the albums (and I'm sure the bad distribution deal with Koch and d3 had something to do with it, Suge was trying to do a platinum album without the support of a MAJOR or having to digest their input on his records and share in the publishing, but the real money would've been selling the tracks/albums on the website) -- they were going to struggle getting radio spins with those distributors -- why record all these thousands of tracks and just let them collect dust -- no label ever made a killing sitting on all their music -- the best thing they could've done is put on them on the Official Death Row Records website and sell them for 55 cents each and let the viewers sample a 15 second snippet before they buy -- they already had a house name and a fanbase, plus their most hardcore fans were on that website and would've bought the music (they would've at least made SOMETHING on these tracks, instead of ZERO) -- but then again, like Clifford said, they weren't even showing up for court and they were running the business into the ground -- it just doesn't make ANY sense to sit on thousands of singles and hundreds of albums with ZERO return! The Lisa "NINA" Lopes & Crooked I albums would've sold at the very least!I don't think it was necessarily a poor distribution deal. The albums were available in all the major retail stores. It wasn't a major label but they were capable of functioning without one. I would also be inclined to disagree that the real money would have been in selling the music through the website. I think had the roster been built around Big Hutch as a producer and Crooked I as a flagship artist from jump, they might have had a better chance. The introduction of Tupac/Snoop biters on Chronic 2k and dedicating so much time and energy into attacking the former Death Row artists on the Death Row Uncut video and subsequent Too Gangsta For Radio album really took the energy in the wrong direction. Crooked I had the skills to be a great talent but his label burned a lot of bridges that could have helped him.
I don't think Top Dogg was a "biter" -- he just has the "Dogg" in his name and it makes it sound like he's saying he's the Top Dogg (and not Snoop) -- he was YGD before -- and if you called "Young Derek" or whatever nobody would make this comparison, but it was just the temperament that Tha Realest was out and everyone pointed at his promos being similar to Pac's and the tattoos, so I would make the argument that Tha Realest image being compared to Pac's image conveniently opened the door for criticism for Top Dogg (i.e. "There's the fake Pac & Snoop and he's even called top DOGG") -- The "Cindafella" tracks being a competitive pissing contest and along with Top Dogg being put on Dre beats ("Hoe Hopper", the Columbine Track, etc.) and Pac tracks ("All About U", "Hating U", etc.) -- it was just too easy to make this assertion and it was convenient that he was put on those cuts and coupled with Tha Realest existence -- but I think if you be objective, I don't believe he's a "Snoop biter" but it's easy to say that the door was open for that criticism based on where the label planted him (Dre & Snoop material, and his name)
The dissing here and there wouldn't have been a bad thing necessarily, but if it became the sole purpose, that was a sting to Death Row's new talent -- why not just put the best music out, not just diss tracks.
I think fans like myself would've coughed up the 55 cents and just said "Fuck it, might as well pay the 55 cents and get a CDQ version of the tracks I like" versus going around the net and looking for them for hours and days (they were harder to find back then, and it was like searching for a needle in the haystack but people had them)
Suge would argue in any case that he doesn't like to kill an artists buzz, but at this time, the game was becoming so mixtape heavy that it looked bad that Death Row had really not released any mixtapes or any material.
Does anybody know why Big Boy was talking shit about Dre on "Chronic 2000"? Did they have beef?
even if Treach would of signed he would have made zero impact 1, hes a nobody only known as 2pacs friend and Naughty By Natures Hip Hop hooray which was from 93 2. failed solo artist
But that’s not a lucrative business model in my opinion. At that time, physical media was still selling. They may not have had a major label backing them but their distribution through Koch/D3 got them shelf space with nearly every decent music retail. 55 cents a song for a hundred or so people on a message board would have been arguably pointless. Half of the people on the message board would have just downloaded the MP3 from the people who bought it. At that rate, they could put up 15 songs on a CD and sell it to 20,000 people at $12-15 retail.
Quote from: Belt on March 20, 2017, 07:52:29 AMeven if Treach would of signed he would have made zero impact 1, hes a nobody only known as 2pacs friend and Naughty By Natures Hip Hop hooray which was from 93 2. failed solo artist Pretty sad someone would actually write this garbage
QuoteBut that’s not a lucrative business model in my opinion. At that time, physical media was still selling. They may not have had a major label backing them but their distribution through Koch/D3 got them shelf space with nearly every decent music retail. 55 cents a song for a hundred or so people on a message board would have been arguably pointless. Half of the people on the message board would have just downloaded the MP3 from the people who bought it. At that rate, they could put up 15 songs on a CD and sell it to 20,000 people at $12-15 retail. I'm not sure, Death Row released the Snoop album on their website and it still sold -- Why did they not take advantage of Koch/D3 and put it out there just to make something off it? Was this just bad business or do you think it's because Suge didn't want an album to risk not selling and having his name on it opening the door for other artists to diss poor sales (a lot of people said that's why he released compilations instead of solo albums to try out the artists)
Quote from: love33 on March 22, 2017, 11:56:16 PMQuote from: Belt on March 20, 2017, 07:52:29 AMeven if Treach would of signed he would have made zero impact 1, hes a nobody only known as 2pacs friend and Naughty By Natures Hip Hop hooray which was from 93 2. failed solo artist Pretty sad someone would actually write this garbageyeah those songs are from early 90s what else that's right nothing nobody knows him and fuck Eminem Treach is a failed solo artist that never sold shit last thing his group did was go gold in 99tired of hearing "greatest artist"" legend" "classic" thrown around just cause an artist been around forever doesn't make them any of that and you say " Pretty sad someone would actually write this garbage" and thats coming from a retard who thinks Chronic 2000 was a hit and top fake and tha fakest were stars
Quote from: Belt on March 23, 2017, 06:45:26 AMQuote from: love33 on March 22, 2017, 11:56:16 PMQuote from: Belt on March 20, 2017, 07:52:29 AMeven if Treach would of signed he would have made zero impact 1, hes a nobody only known as 2pacs friend and Naughty By Natures Hip Hop hooray which was from 93 2. failed solo artist Pretty sad someone would actually write this garbageyeah those songs are from early 90s what else that's right nothing nobody knows him and fuck Eminem Treach is a failed solo artist that never sold shit last thing his group did was go gold in 99tired of hearing "greatest artist"" legend" "classic" thrown around just cause an artist been around forever doesn't make them any of that and you say " Pretty sad someone would actually write this garbage" and thats coming from a retard who thinks Chronic 2000 was a hit and top fake and tha fakest were stars Hey Dopey, If Eminem says he's one of the Top artists of all time, he's one of the best of all time period!
I'm not sure, Death Row released the Snoop album on their website and it still sold -- Why did they not take advantage of Koch/D3 and put it out there just to make something off it? Was this just bad business or do you think it's because Suge didn't want an album to risk not selling and having his name on it opening the door for other artists to diss poor sales (a lot of people said that's why he released compilations instead of solo albums to try out the artists)