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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??
 

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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??

They literally stole the reel from Dre & Blackstreet:
 

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so who is that doin the main humming adlib throughout the beat?
 

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so who is that doin the main humming adlib throughout the beat?

Bill Withers

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/TdrChyGb574" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/TdrChyGb574</a>
 

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THAT JMIX VIDEO WONT PLAY FOR SOME REASON....

WHY WAS THE SECOND VERSE REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT LEAKED?

AND "NO DIGGITY" WAS RELEASED AS A SINGLE AFTER PAC DIED+THE ALBUM IT WAS ON DROPPED RIGHT AFTER HE WAS SHOT..HOW'D THEY EVEN HEAR IT IN TIME TO REMAKE IT?

DRE REALLY PRODUCED THE SHIT OUT THAT BEAT UP THO, THE "NO DIGGITY" VERSION SOUNDS WAY CLEANER THAN THE ONE PAC USED (I KNOW TEDDY RILEY GOT THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS DRE HAD HIS HANDS ALL OVER IT WHEN COMPARIN BOTH VERSIONS)

 

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THAT JMIX VIDEO WONT PLAY FOR SOME REASON....

WHY WAS THE SECOND VERSE REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT LEAKED?

AND "NO DIGGITY" WAS RELEASED AS A SINGLE AFTER PAC DIED+THE ALBUM IT WAS ON DROPPED RIGHT AFTER HE WAS SHOT..HOW'D THEY EVEN HEAR IT IN TIME TO REMAKE IT?

DRE REALLY PRODUCED THE SHIT OUT THAT BEAT UP THO, THE "NO DIGGITY" VERSION SOUNDS WAY CLEANER THAN THE ONE PAC USED (I KNOW TEDDY RILEY GOT THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS DRE HAD HIS HANDS ALL OVER IT WHEN COMPARIN BOTH VERSIONS)

Tommy D said that Dre produced the original version. Check out the interview.
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THAT JMIX VIDEO WONT PLAY FOR SOME REASON....

WHY WAS THE SECOND VERSE REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT LEAKED?

AND "NO DIGGITY" WAS RELEASED AS A SINGLE AFTER PAC DIED+THE ALBUM IT WAS ON DROPPED RIGHT AFTER HE WAS SHOT..HOW'D THEY EVEN HEAR IT IN TIME TO REMAKE IT?

DRE REALLY PRODUCED THE SHIT OUT THAT BEAT UP THO, THE "NO DIGGITY" VERSION SOUNDS WAY CLEANER THAN THE ONE PAC USED (I KNOW TEDDY RILEY GOT THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS DRE HAD HIS HANDS ALL OVER IT WHEN COMPARIN BOTH VERSIONS)


Maybe Suge had the foresight to dodge that potential legal issue.

Also, remember that the Toss It Up OG is likely not a final mixdown, so it's not going to sound as crisp as a finished product. Not that it would really have fucked with No Diggity, from a beat/mix perspective.
 

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THAT JMIX VIDEO WONT PLAY FOR SOME REASON....

WHY WAS THE SECOND VERSE REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT LEAKED?

AND "NO DIGGITY" WAS RELEASED AS A SINGLE AFTER PAC DIED+THE ALBUM IT WAS ON DROPPED RIGHT AFTER HE WAS SHOT..HOW'D THEY EVEN HEAR IT IN TIME TO REMAKE IT?

DRE REALLY PRODUCED THE SHIT OUT THAT BEAT UP THO, THE "NO DIGGITY" VERSION SOUNDS WAY CLEANER THAN THE ONE PAC USED (I KNOW TEDDY RILEY GOT THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS DRE HAD HIS HANDS ALL OVER IT WHEN COMPARIN BOTH VERSIONS)

Tommy D said that Dre produced the original version. Check out the interview.

it's funny how many people say dre has ghost producers when he's actually the one notorious for ghost producing others
 

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THAT JMIX VIDEO WONT PLAY FOR SOME REASON....

WHY WAS THE SECOND VERSE REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL THAT LEAKED?

AND "NO DIGGITY" WAS RELEASED AS A SINGLE AFTER PAC DIED+THE ALBUM IT WAS ON DROPPED RIGHT AFTER HE WAS SHOT..HOW'D THEY EVEN HEAR IT IN TIME TO REMAKE IT?

DRE REALLY PRODUCED THE SHIT OUT THAT BEAT UP THO, THE "NO DIGGITY" VERSION SOUNDS WAY CLEANER THAN THE ONE PAC USED (I KNOW TEDDY RILEY GOT THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS DRE HAD HIS HANDS ALL OVER IT WHEN COMPARIN BOTH VERSIONS)

Tommy D said that Dre produced the original version. Check out the interview.

it's funny how many people say dre has ghost producers when he's actually the one notorious for ghost producing others

Way the industry works.  It goes both ways. 
 

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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??

Where did you hear Aaron Hall was offered the beat from Teddy? The true OG of Toss It Up, which is unleaked, is an Aaron Hall song. It might have featured Danny Boy and or Kci & JoJo at that point, not sure when they came into the picture.
 

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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??

Where did you hear Aaron Hall was offered the beat from Teddy? The true OG of Toss It Up, which is unleaked, is an Aaron Hall song. It might have featured Danny Boy and or Kci & JoJo at that point, not sure when they came into the picture.

"Co-producer Teddy Riley originally offered the song to Guy as part of their short-lived reunion in 1996. After failing to record any material, he then suggested the song to Guy's lead singer Aaron Hall, who refused to take part in recording the song.[2] He then offered the song to his other group Blackstreet. In a 2010 interview, Riley revealed the song was initially a hard sell among group members."

from the wiki entry
 

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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??

Where did you hear Aaron Hall was offered the beat from Teddy? The true OG of Toss It Up, which is unleaked, is an Aaron Hall song. It might have featured Danny Boy and or Kci & JoJo at that point, not sure when they came into the picture.

"Co-producer Teddy Riley originally offered the song to Guy as part of their short-lived reunion in 1996. After failing to record any material, he then suggested the song to Guy's lead singer Aaron Hall, who refused to take part in recording the song.[2] He then offered the song to his other group Blackstreet. In a 2010 interview, Riley revealed the song was initially a hard sell among group members."

from the wiki entry

Thanks. I googled it before you replied and found that info in an old Billboard magazine so it's not just some wiki BS.

So maybe the truth is that Dre was never involved in producing the No Diggity/Toss It Up OG beat. It was always just assumed it was Dre's.
 

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What tracks did Dre ghost produce?
 

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PAC JACKED THE BEAT, RIGHT?? OR AARON HALL GAVE IT TO PAC?? BECAUSE I KNOW TEDDY RILEY OFFERED IT TO AARON HALL BEFORE BLACKSTREET TOOK IT.

JMIX, CAN WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH AARON HALL ON THIS??

Where did you hear Aaron Hall was offered the beat from Teddy? The true OG of Toss It Up, which is unleaked, is an Aaron Hall song. It might have featured Danny Boy and or Kci & JoJo at that point, not sure when they came into the picture.

"Co-producer Teddy Riley originally offered the song to Guy as part of their short-lived reunion in 1996. After failing to record any material, he then suggested the song to Guy's lead singer Aaron Hall, who refused to take part in recording the song.[2] He then offered the song to his other group Blackstreet. In a 2010 interview, Riley revealed the song was initially a hard sell among group members."

from the wiki entry

Thanks. I googled it before you replied and found that info in an old Billboard magazine so it's not just some wiki BS.

So maybe the truth is that Dre was never involved in producing the No Diggity/Toss It Up OG beat. It was always just assumed it was Dre's.
I was thinking about it, and other than his own artists who he was involved with developing (Snoop, Em, 50 and to some degree Knoc), he rarely did a guest appearance AND produced it.  I was reminded of that Jay-Z song "Watch Me" that had Dre on it, but even though people thought Dre produced it too, it was an irv Gotti beat.  So something like No Diggity kind of falls in line with that.
 

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What tracks did Dre ghost produce?

most of dogg food, for starters
 

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Thanks for kicking those capitals to kerb, now heres the scoop as I see it.

Dre made that beat on DR and it was to be used for an R&B project, possibly Danny Boys album and originally had one Pac verse over a skeleton work in progress version of the beat. Now bear in mind that Dre had a home studio and from when Pac got onto the Row Dre did most of his work there so he had a more finished version of the song with him when he left DR, he handed it over to Teddy Riley to finish the track which was a clever move as it keeps his name out there and gets him publishing points from his appearance whilst being able to give him a ghosted beat that legally was owned by DR anyway so he couldn't put it out there with his name attached.

Getting Riley was a slick move anyway as he knew the original featured Aaron Hall (who had fell out with Riley over issues with Guy) and that with the right polish it would be a hit, Teddy jumped on it and finished up the track which Dre mixed down (listen to it and you can hear a Dre mix a mile off compared to the rest of the album).

Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

I'm not bothered about what that Billboard article says as Teddy is a known liar and the above fits the timeline, the people, their temperaments/style, Pacs verses and everything else.

Dre always needed someone else to stand beside him, Pac moved quick, Aaron hated Teddy, Teddy has no morales.
 

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Thanks for kicking those capitals to kerb, now heres the scoop as I see it.

Dre made that beat on DR and it was to be used for an R&B project, possibly Danny Boys album and originally had one Pac verse over a skeleton work in progress version of the beat. Now bear in mind that Dre had a home studio and from when Pac got onto the Row Dre did most of his work there so he had a more finished version of the song with him when he left DR, he handed it over to Teddy Riley to finish the track which was a clever move as it keeps his name out there and gets him publishing points from his appearance whilst being able to give him a ghosted beat that legally was owned by DR anyway so he couldn't put it out there with his name attached.

Getting Riley was a slick move anyway as he knew the original featured Aaron Hall (who had fell out with Riley over issues with Guy) and that with the right polish it would be a hit, Teddy jumped on it and finished up the track which Dre mixed down (listen to it and you can hear a Dre mix a mile off compared to the rest of the album).

Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

I'm not bothered about what that Billboard article says as Teddy is a known liar and the above fits the timeline, the people, their temperaments/style, Pacs verses and everything else.

Dre always needed someone else to stand beside him, Pac moved quick, Aaron hated Teddy, Teddy has no morales.

GOOD POINT ABOUT BLACKSTREET GETTIN PAC BACK WIT "DONT LEAVE ME", I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF THAT



THAT WAS MY JOINT
 

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YES .. WE SAW THAT IT UPSETS U THE FIRST TIME. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.
 

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Thanks for kicking those capitals to kerb, now heres the scoop as I see it.

Dre made that beat on DR and it was to be used for an R&B project, possibly Danny Boys album and originally had one Pac verse over a skeleton work in progress version of the beat. Now bear in mind that Dre had a home studio and from when Pac got onto the Row Dre did most of his work there so he had a more finished version of the song with him when he left DR, he handed it over to Teddy Riley to finish the track which was a clever move as it keeps his name out there and gets him publishing points from his appearance whilst being able to give him a ghosted beat that legally was owned by DR anyway so he couldn't put it out there with his name attached.

Getting Riley was a slick move anyway as he knew the original featured Aaron Hall (who had fell out with Riley over issues with Guy) and that with the right polish it would be a hit, Teddy jumped on it and finished up the track which Dre mixed down (listen to it and you can hear a Dre mix a mile off compared to the rest of the album).

Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

I'm not bothered about what that Billboard article says as Teddy is a known liar and the above fits the timeline, the people, their temperaments/style, Pacs verses and everything else.

Dre always needed someone else to stand beside him, Pac moved quick, Aaron hated Teddy, Teddy has no morales.

Your theory sounds plausible except for Pac was definitely not on the OG. It was an Aaron Hall song and Pac jumped on it later. The rest of what you said fits though.
 

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Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

sounds unlikely, Teddy Riley didn't need Dre to know about I Ain't Mad At Cha since AEOM was released in February 96 and by the time Pac had shot the video for it (May 96), Dre was no longer on Death Row.
Also, to say that they jacked Pac's concept is a stretch. They merely interpolated the same song. What concept exactly ? They didn't flip the beat the same way, the theme of the song is different. And the single was released after Pac had died in 97. Your theory would have somehow kinda made sense had Blackstreet blindsided Pac and recorded and released Don't Leave Me before Pac released I Ain't Mad At Cha but that's clearly not the case.

That's like saying Lil Kim jacked Tha Dogg Pound's concept for Crush On You.
 

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Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

sounds unlikely, Teddy Riley didn't need Dre to know about I Ain't Mad At Cha since AEOM was released in February 96 and by the time Pac had shot the video for it (May 96), Dre was no longer on Death Row.
Also, to say that they jacked Pac's concept is a stretch. They merely interpolated the same song. What concept exactly ? They didn't flip the beat the same way, the theme of the song is different. And the single was released after Pac had died in 97. Your theory would have somehow kinda made sense had Blackstreet blindsided Pac and recorded and released Don't Leave Me before Pac released I Ain't Mad At Cha but that's clearly not the case.

That's like saying Lil Kim jacked Tha Dogg Pound's concept for Crush On You.

U GOTA ADMIT THAT IT WOULD BE A PRETTY STRANGE COINCIDENCE THAT PAC JACKED BLACKSTREET'S JOINT, AND THEN SOMEHOW, BLACKSTREET IS USIN THE SAME SAMPLE AS A PAC SINGLE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS LATER........I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF WHAT EYEBALL IS SAYIN WAS TRUE. HOW MANY OTHER SONGS USED THAT SAMPLE WIT THE BEAT BEIN ALMOST IDENTICAL? AND IN THE SAME YEAR TOO?? AFTER THEY JUS GOT JACKED BY THAT SAME GUY??? CHANCES WOULD BE LOW.
 

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Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

sounds unlikely, Teddy Riley didn't need Dre to know about I Ain't Mad At Cha since AEOM was released in February 96 and by the time Pac had shot the video for it (May 96), Dre was no longer on Death Row.
Also, to say that they jacked Pac's concept is a stretch. They merely interpolated the same song. What concept exactly ? They didn't flip the beat the same way, the theme of the song is different. And the single was released after Pac had died in 97. Your theory would have somehow kinda made sense had Blackstreet blindsided Pac and recorded and released Don't Leave Me before Pac released I Ain't Mad At Cha but that's clearly not the case.

That's like saying Lil Kim jacked Tha Dogg Pound's concept for Crush On You.

U GOTA ADMIT THAT IT WOULD BE A PRETTY STRANGE COINCIDENCE THAT PAC JACKED BLACKSTREET'S JOINT, AND THEN SOMEHOW, BLACKSTREET IS USIN THE SAME SAMPLE AS A PAC SINGLE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS LATER........I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF WHAT EYEBALL IS SAYIN WAS TRUE. HOW MANY OTHER SONGS USED THAT SAMPLE WIT THE BEAT BEIN ALMOST IDENTICAL? AND IN THE SAME YEAR TOO?? AFTER THEY JUS GOT JACKED BY THAT SAME GUY??? CHANCES WOULD BE LOW.

Another Level was released Sept. 9th, 1996. Toss It Up was finished early August so that's the earliest Teddy would have known about their beat being jacked. When you take mixing, mastering, and pressing into account that's a pretty tight timeline for Blackstreet to slip in a "revenge" beat jacking. It is a strange/interesting coincidence though.
 

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Pac got wind of this, pulled the track they had out of the archives, stuck that totally random Dre dissing 2nd verse on it, shot a video and put it on Makaveli just to jab at Dre which they all got wind of so in a bitch fit of revenge Dre then told Teddy about the DeBarge sample Pac was going to use for the I Aint Mad At Cha video and had him reflip it to jack Pacs concept, the end.

sounds unlikely, Teddy Riley didn't need Dre to know about I Ain't Mad At Cha since AEOM was released in February 96 and by the time Pac had shot the video for it (May 96), Dre was no longer on Death Row.
Also, to say that they jacked Pac's concept is a stretch. They merely interpolated the same song. What concept exactly ? They didn't flip the beat the same way, the theme of the song is different. And the single was released after Pac had died in 97. Your theory would have somehow kinda made sense had Blackstreet blindsided Pac and recorded and released Don't Leave Me before Pac released I Ain't Mad At Cha but that's clearly not the case.

That's like saying Lil Kim jacked Tha Dogg Pound's concept for Crush On You.

U GOTA ADMIT THAT IT WOULD BE A PRETTY STRANGE COINCIDENCE THAT PAC JACKED BLACKSTREET'S JOINT, AND THEN SOMEHOW, BLACKSTREET IS USIN THE SAME SAMPLE AS A PAC SINGLE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS LATER........I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF WHAT EYEBALL IS SAYIN WAS TRUE. HOW MANY OTHER SONGS USED THAT SAMPLE WIT THE BEAT BEIN ALMOST IDENTICAL? AND IN THE SAME YEAR TOO?? AFTER THEY JUS GOT JACKED BY THAT SAME GUY??? CHANCES WOULD BE LOW.

Another Level was released Sept. 9th, 1996. Toss It Up was finished early August so that's the earliest Teddy would have known about their beat being jacked. When you take mixing, mastering, and pressing into account that's a pretty tight timeline for Blackstreet to slip in a "revenge" beat jacking. It is a strange/interesting coincidence though.

but think how quick pac had to make toss it up tho....thats my take. how did pac even know about "no diggity", that song was literally released 2 days after he got shot. so from what I gathered, both parties had some inside information, probably from aaron hall, since he was in contact with both sides. cats have mixed and mastered an entire album in weeks, so 1 song is not inconceivable.. especially when u got that kinda passion behind it that comes from tryna get some getback. it fuels the motor.