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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 03:19:50 PM »
I gotta give this one a spin. A lot of people were suprised by how good this album is.

compare to the standard of today with so much garbage out there its no wonder it did so good this is what hip hop is suppose to be about
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 03:37:43 PM »
as for the album lyrically is was really good the beats not so good

my favorite moments was when he went after that trap clone future and that retard k west
jay z easily exposed that trap clone future cause future cant mumble anything back cause everything future mumbles about in every song j really has all the money the bitch they really want and all the rest of that nonsense these mumble clones mumble about futures response was "you don't the juice" typical from a trap clone cause lets face it these trap clones have no bars and it will be career suicide to say nothing or diss him back like i said before these trap clones need to stay in their lane j ay z alone can take out these mumble clones with doa part 2 lol and if he needs back up he has roc nation watch since they cant go after him they going to go after his age after all hes 47 but thats not going to be enough shit he might nas to join him these guys int going to let hip hop fall after all the work they put in over the years mumble clones gonna have to pay someone to write some real bars for them

as for mr west same thing hes going to need 20 ghost writers and 20 people for beats this overrated trash needs to disappear from hip hop as well as those trap clones they a real cancer for real hip hop and just making the youth more retarded





 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2017, 04:37:58 PM »
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[Review] JAY-Z - "4:44"

Last week out of nowhere JAY-Z dropped his thirteenth studio album pretty much out of nowhere; no promotion, no hype, just 37 minutes of fantastic music. In fact this might be one of the Hov album that will go down as one of his best, a future classic alongside "Reasonable Doubt", "Blueprint" and "The Black Album". I loved "American Gangster" so I'm a bit on the fence on which album is better but this is more focused and the lyrics is just on another level, totally original from the JAY-Z we know. With one of the best emcees in the game meeting one of the best producers of the industry, NO ID and Hov has created an album that brings back the values of what a really great Hip Hop album could and should be. "4:44" is entirely focused both from a lyrical and a sonic perspective and the two mesh exceptionally well. It reminds me of classic albums from the late '80s where an album was treated as a body of work that was being worked equally hard on by both the artist and the producer to sound like a body of work that could stand on its own. From the first track "Killing JAY-Z" to the final song "Legacy" Jay-Z is telling the story of where he is at today, and it's brutally honest at the same time as it's packed with slick lines that I already noticed went straight over fuckers heads. And what's great is that the music in itself does so much in telling that very same story.

Jay-Z has built a career on being a tough business man who's great at talking slick to girls, loving to spend lavishly on designer brands and champagne and he can outrap almost anyone, and not only does he know it - he lets it be known. But what made Jay succesfull isn't only the ill flow, his fabolous lifestyle and fierce battle bars but also the little hints of honesty that allowed us to come close to Jigga and learn about him, faults and all. He was never as transparent as say Nas or DMX, far from it, but for almost every album he had a joint or two where he invited listeners into his world to let us partake in the world of the real Jay-Z. These records were often the stand-outs on each LP and I dare say that if it wasn't for these type of tracks he wouldn't have made it to the top. I'm talking songs like "You Must Love Me" (such a heartfelt verse, describing how he shot his own brother and just ran), "Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)", "Moment Of Clarity" and "Where Have You Been" (making up with the father that abandoned him), "D'Evils", "Regrets", "Lucky Me" and so on. I feel that since his 2006 comeback he has kind of shied away from these type of topics which in my opinion has hurt these proects somewhat. It's like they've been missing something.

With "4:44" I'm glad to say that JAY-Z is back in full efect and it's easy to see why he often comes up in discussions about the G.O.A.T. Hov is a grown man now, he is in Forbes magazine, he could care less about petty beef, and here he basically decided to do his most personal album yet, It's like a 36 minute therapy session, and the way thing starts is pure brilliance. With "Kill Jay-Z" he is admitting his faults and killing his ego to get to the bottom of Shawn Carter really is. There's quotable for days here as it's basically an older, more experienced man speaking to his younger self, explaining where he did go wrong. "The Story Of O.J." is another standout from the set which is directed to black people in the US, and once again also can be seen as a wiser Jay-Z speaking to a younger, more immature version of himself. He talks about managing our finances in a proper way, investing money and not flexing. The line "Y'all on the 'Gram holding money to your ear/ there's a disconnect, we don't call that money over here" is a classic Jay double entendre that could've been straight from "Reasonable Doubt". A lot of fools don't get how slick that line is, only hearing the "holding money to your ear on Instagram" flexing" line when its the lines that come after that really solidifies it at lyrical and worthy of recognition.

All through this NO ID certainly rises to the challenge and it's such a beautiful thing to just hear two artists vibing in the studio coming up with a really coherrent sound. TThey have worked before, but often with at least a gang of producers around - the one song I can think off that was just Jay and NO is "Death of Autotune", and matter of fact that wouldn't be too out o place here. Sonically that is. It's a great mixture of sampled gospel, soul and jazz classics and live instrumentation coupled with some real hard drums but the beats never got to busy to take the top spot from Jay-Z. He touches on so many honest topics here, from his mother's homosexuality and finall coming out the closet on the more laid-back but beautiful "Smile". There's the title track (see video above) which features a truly heartfelt apology from Hov to his wife for cheating repeatedly on here (as macho as Hip Hop is, could this be the first record of a man saying he is truly sorry for that). No ID again does a beautiful job of combining a repeated vocal sample that stretches out and finds the team in the melting pot between R&B and boom bap.

And that's halftime, but there's really no point in breaking down every song as this is as true an album as they come and I dare to say that 10 years from now this will be looked upon as one of Jay-Z's classics. And the same goes for NO ID as this was undoubtedly a team effort. It's a blessing that Jay-Z realized he doesn't need a million and one producers to make a hot album; just get one really talented guy that understands your vision and we're almost there. Lyrically this is a new chapter in Jay-Z's book and one that is very welcome, he's grown up and got some rich man problems but that doens't mean that he's gone soft on us. There's plenty of shit here for the average man to relate to and for the rest there's a lot of advice to be taken heed to. I really liked "American Gangster" but as that was a concept album perhaps it's more honest to say that is Jigga's best joint since "The Black Album" some 15 years ago. No matter how you feel about this man be sure to check it out ASAP and let's hope that more artists follow suit in letting one or two producers handle their whole album front to back.

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2017, 01:23:35 PM »
so my copy that I bought brand new somehow had 2 big gashes on the back of the CD, needless to say I'm exchanging that  :grumpy:

the bonus tracks are dope though
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2017, 11:42:19 AM »
Still rocking with this heavy.
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2017, 04:59:26 PM »
Still bumping this.

The bonus tracks are pretty dope too. 8)

Here's the bonus tracks in 320kbps:
http://www74.zippyshare.com/v/I3gs8ZFT/file.html
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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2017, 10:12:51 AM »
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HELP

I'm an ol' school collecta from the 90's SO F.CK DIGITAL, RELEASE A CD!

 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2017, 12:29:57 PM »
production made the album .. good effort
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2017, 05:27:06 PM »
production made the album .. good effort

No ID came too correct all over this.
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2017, 10:31:30 AM »
Looks like I'm in the minority but I don't like it. Musically and lyrically. I remember when I used to look forward to a Jay-Z album.

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2017, 03:48:41 PM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/qBDiaCdI0-0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/qBDiaCdI0-0</a>
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2017, 04:04:49 PM »
Looks like I'm in the minority but I don't like it. Musically and lyrically. I remember when I used to look forward to a Jay-Z album.

it's a cool album for me but I don't love it like everybody else seems to, I honestly thought some of the beats felt a bit empty but overall I respect the effort from Jay doing something different
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2017, 01:48:35 AM »
Looks like I'm in the minority but I don't like it. Musically and lyrically. I remember when I used to look forward to a Jay-Z album.

What was the 1st Jay-Z album you were disappointed with?
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2017, 06:15:15 AM »
Looks like I'm in the minority but I don't like it. Musically and lyrically. I remember when I used to look forward to a Jay-Z album.

What was the 1st Jay-Z album you were disappointed with?

Blueprint 2
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2017, 07:31:21 AM »
Looks like I'm in the minority but I don't like it. Musically and lyrically. I remember when I used to look forward to a Jay-Z album.

What was the 1st Jay-Z album you were disappointed with?

Blueprint 2

that album would have been great, if not another classic, if he narrowed the best songs onto one disc... for me though I was disappointed with Kingdom Come when it dropped but now it sounds dope compared to most stuff out nowadays lol production was great, just Jay's flows and lyrics were a bit meh at times

I never got into Blueprint 3 outside of a few joints even to this day, I feel that is his most over-hyped release just because of how big the joint with Alicia Keys was
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2017, 01:04:24 PM »
kingdome come is his most underrated
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2017, 10:43:01 AM »
HERE’S ALL THE SAMPLES NO I.D. FLIPS ON JAY-Z'S NEW ALBUM, "4:44"
http://2dopeboyz.com/2017/06/30/jay-z-444-samples-no-id/
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2017, 11:25:23 AM »
JAY-Z Presents Himself as a Mortal Rather Than a God MC on ‘4:44′ Album
http://www.xxlmag.com/rap-music/reviews/2017/08/jay-z-444-album-review/?trackback=tsmclip
 

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« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2017, 11:26:25 AM »
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2017, 03:38:53 PM »
kingdome come is his most underrated

American Gangster too. Debatable which is better of those two albums, in my opinion. But both are way overlooked.

No denying Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint & The Black Album are 1, 2 & 3; but I'd say AG or Kingdom Come is 4th.
 
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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2017, 05:11:40 PM »
kingdome come is his most underrated

American Gangster too. Debatable which is better of those two albums, in my opinion. But both are way overlooked.

No denying Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint & The Black Album are 1, 2 & 3; but I'd say AG or Kingdom Come is 4th.

American Gangster was lyrically way above and beyond Kingdome Come but the production wasn't as strong, overall a better and more cohesive album though
 

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Re: JAY-Z - 4:44 (Official Discussion Thread)
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2017, 06:09:33 PM »
ill take kingdom come over american gangster all day