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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 11:06:10 PM »
if u understand basketball

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lmao, fam the game is 100% different than it was when Kobe won those titles 8-9 years ago.

All the competitive teams in the NBA today are virtually having a 3 point contest. Houston this year had arguably the most efficient offenses in the history of the NBA. All they took was either a 3 or layup/dunk. The mid range game & the percentages of shooting that shot are dead; Unless you KD & surrounded by two of the greatest pure shooters ever, plus a team of pretty good shooters. The game isn't relatively close to being played the same way it was 8 years ago. Where Kobe's hero ball, virtually playing like Russell Westbrook wins games.

It's impossible for that style to win today. To put it in context, this year's Houston team, who failed to make the NBA Finals most likely would of swept or won in no more than 5 games against those Laker team's in 09-10.

LeBron makes every single player in the history of his teammates better. FAM, I can't stress this enough. Look at those Miami teams. Not a player is still in the NBA other than Wade & Chalmers now riding the bench in Memphis. In the moment, everyone thought that team was stacked.

At this point reading my response you're reading this sentence grinning, just waiting for it to be over to throw back at me Chris Bosh & Kevin Love. Both of those players on their respective teams before playing with LeBron were on losing teams, where their talents of playing alone, lead to losing. The game was changing & he needed a strong, 3rd go to guy, who needed to be able to stretch the floor & hit some jumpers. All LeBron did for those two was lead them to 8 straight NBA Finals combined. Wade was never held back in Miami, despite your poorly written article, Kyrie was never held back. Kyrie wanted out because he saw the writing on the wall. KD went to Golden State, ruined the league & Kyrie knew (or strongly felt) LeBron was going to leave & didn't want to be stuck in limbo like that & probably felt a type of way that LeBron, being the equivalent to Jordan, was literally the story of the NBA & Kyrie, who is a wildly talented player, was reduced to the side kick role, that Wade so effortlessly succumbed to. It wasn't Bron's style of play, it was Kyrie's ego unfortunately getting the best of him. It is what it is.

But for every single other player, other than his needed stretch 4, from his first stint in Cleveland, to Miami, back to  Cleveland, everyone else he's ever played with has been the best they've ever been because of what he does for his teammates.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2018, 01:33:23 AM »
if u understand basketball

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lmao, fam the game is 100% different than it was when Kobe won those titles 8-9 years ago.

All the competitive teams in the NBA today are virtually having a 3 point contest. Houston this year had arguably the most efficient offenses in the history of the NBA. All they took was either a 3 or layup/dunk. The mid range game & the percentages of shooting that shot are dead; Unless you KD & surrounded by two of the greatest pure shooters ever, plus a team of pretty good shooters. The game isn't relatively close to being played the same way it was 8 years ago. Where Kobe's hero ball, virtually playing like Russell Westbrook wins games.

It's impossible for that style to win today. To put it in context, this year's Houston team, who failed to make the NBA Finals most likely would of swept or won in no more than 5 games against those Laker team's in 09-10.

LeBron makes every single player in the history of his teammates better. FAM, I can't stress this enough. Look at those Miami teams. Not a player is still in the NBA other than Wade & Chalmers now riding the bench in Memphis. In the moment, everyone thought that team was stacked.

At this point reading my response you're reading this sentence grinning, just waiting for it to be over to throw back at me Chris Bosh & Kevin Love. Both of those players on their respective teams before playing with LeBron were on losing teams, where their talents of playing alone, lead to losing. The game was changing & he needed a strong, 3rd go to guy, who needed to be able to stretch the floor & hit some jumpers. All LeBron did for those two was lead them to 8 straight NBA Finals combined. Wade was never held back in Miami, despite your poorly written article, Kyrie was never held back. Kyrie wanted out because he saw the writing on the wall. KD went to Golden State, ruined the league & Kyrie knew (or strongly felt) LeBron was going to leave & didn't want to be stuck in limbo like that & probably felt a type of way that LeBron, being the equivalent to Jordan, was literally the story of the NBA & Kyrie, who is a wildly talented player, was reduced to the side kick role, that Wade so effortlessly succumbed to. It wasn't Bron's style of play, it was Kyrie's ego unfortunately getting the best of him. It is what it is.

But for every single other player, other than his needed stretch 4, from his first stint in Cleveland, to Miami, back to  Cleveland, everyone else he's ever played with has been the best they've ever been because of what he does for his teammates.

lil homie, u are out your cotdamn mind .. literally EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who ever played with lebron has gotten worse. forget the stars, which obviously suffered.. even the role players, from larry hughes all the way to rodney hood to u name it- they all got relegated to spot up shooters hindered by a terrible system that revolved around lebron padding his stats while they stand around the three point line with limited ball movement. if u understood basketball from an x’s and o’s standpoint, youd understand what a terrible brand of basketball it is. shit is predicated on your king chasing statistics. period. and yes, even bosh went on record saying this:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/lebron-james-chris-bosh-kevin-love-extremely-frustrating-interview-cleveland-cavaliers

Bosh wasn’t on a “losing team” .. he was the first option on a playoff toronto raptor team and was 2nd team all nba before joinin lebron .. same with kevin love, 2nd team all-nba TWICE before joining lebron. both never made an all-nba team again post playin the bron ball system. coincidence?

on the contrary, pau never made an all-nba team prior to joining kobe, and then made numerous teams playing with him. it’s not really a shocker, kobe is a film junky. he’s maniacal in the way that he studies his teammates and makes sure to put them in their preferred position, hitting them in their sweet spots, playing to their strength, etc. lebron does the polar opposite. kevin love and chris bosh were great in the post.. once teaming up with lebron, they basically were forced out to open the driving lanes for his bulldozing. loser shit. wade clearly had to take a step back for lebron to feel comfortable (bron basically threw the 2011 finals because wade was going to win finals mvp if they woulda won) - even this year: rose and wade looked done in cleveland, and then end up beastin in the playoffs for different teams lollll .. if the chris bosh article wasn’t enough, even crowder and isaiah attested to how much better they felt without bron ball:

https://nesn.com/2018/02/isaiah-thomas-jae-crowder-sound-like-they-hated-cleveland-feeling-might-be-mutual/


and now u wanna talk up this soft ass stat inflated era? lmfao .. bruh, any team playin nowadays would get straight bodied by the big 4 boston. the fuckin pelicans were even able to win 1 game vs gs smh .. that means the 09-10 championship laker teams would sweep, off top.

i understand tho .... you’re an analytic nerd who’s never touched a ball in his life. u watch basketball with a calculator in your hand, because it helps you relate to the game. but basketball is a game of soul and passion, and, unfortunately for your kind, those things can’t be quantified. teams nowadays are straight soft and wouldn’t last vs teams from last decade - and definitely not in the hand checking+no defensive 3 second era. weaksauce.

 
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2018, 10:03:42 AM »
That's just blatantly lying lmfao. That's why I can't talk basketball on here. Literally told you, that you would use those two & you just looped a long winded paragraph to use the only two players who weren't the same all stars they used to be because they were relegated to a 3rd option because OBVIOUSLY they would be. Everyone else you're mentioning, you're just looking at PPG & saying "oh he averaged less playing with LeBron".

Bron ball = space the floor & let greatness happen & people have to knock down jumpers. All that's gotten him? 8 straight NBA Finals. Blew 2011, lost to a better Spurs team in 2014, better & a Warriors team 3 times.

The examples you're using are lame. Kevin Love wasn't winning at all being the centerpiece in Minnesota. Obviously his stats are going to go down playing with LeBron & Kyrie. Obviously Bosh stats are going to go down playing with Wade & Bron. Almost every 4 & 5 in the league shoots 3's now. It's the way the game is played. Maybe they don't like it. Maybe marginal shooters like Crowder doesn't like it, but that's how it it's played.

& lmfao @ calling me a nerd. We've spoken about basketball for 10 years. It has nothing to do with being an analytical nerd. It's just the way the game is played now. I'm not going to argue about what old team would beat a new age team. It's pretty simple to figure out, but you've always held on to the nostalgia, so I'll let you live in your fantasy land.

But the biggest lmfao @ talking "If you knew the X's & O's" & don't understand Phil ran the same old triangle he ran with Kobe & Shaq. Pau was a focal point of the Laker's offense after Kobe got his. It wasn't Kobe who made him better, it was Kobe listening to Phil. That's why when Phil wasn't around before & after those titles, Kobe looked like a clueless ball hog. Kobe was great, but he needed structure.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2018, 05:20:07 PM »
That's just blatantly lying lmfao. That's why I can't talk basketball on here. Literally told you, that you would use those two & you just looped a long winded paragraph to use the only two players who weren't the same all stars they used to be because they were relegated to a 3rd option because OBVIOUSLY they would be. Everyone else you're mentioning, you're just looking at PPG & saying "oh he averaged less playing with LeBron".

Bron ball = space the floor & let greatness happen & people have to knock down jumpers. All that's gotten him? 8 straight NBA Finals. Blew 2011, lost to a better Spurs team in 2014, better & a Warriors team 3 times.

The examples you're using are lame. Kevin Love wasn't winning at all being the centerpiece in Minnesota. Obviously his stats are going to go down playing with LeBron & Kyrie. Obviously Bosh stats are going to go down playing with Wade & Bron. Almost every 4 & 5 in the league shoots 3's now. It's the way the game is played. Maybe they don't like it. Maybe marginal shooters like Crowder doesn't like it, but that's how it it's played.

& lmfao @ calling me a nerd. We've spoken about basketball for 10 years. It has nothing to do with being an analytical nerd. It's just the way the game is played now. I'm not going to argue about what old team would beat a new age team. It's pretty simple to figure out, but you've always held on to the nostalgia, so I'll let you live in your fantasy land.

But the biggest lmfao @ talking "If you knew the X's & O's" & don't understand Phil ran the same old triangle he ran with Kobe & Shaq. Pau was a focal point of the Laker's offense after Kobe got his. It wasn't Kobe who made him better, it was Kobe listening to Phil. That's why when Phil wasn't around before & after those titles, Kobe looked like a clueless ball hog. Kobe was great, but he needed structure.

that’s the thing, u disingenuously act like i only brought up bosh and love, but i mentioned other players too - because there are so damn many. bosh and love are just glaring examples because they went from being top 5-10 players in the league who were great post players to role players who practically became pure spot up shooters .. no bueno. and u give that dumbass excuse “because they were no longer a first option” .. well, then how come pau got even better playing with kobe? pau improved with the lakers, even statistically. dont give me no shit about the triangle being the reason, because he still went from a 1st option to a 2nd option, and his usage rate actually dipped harder than bosh and love’s usage rate did. them excuses ain’t guna cut it homie.

bron ball = pounding the ball for 20 seconds of the clock while every1 stands around waiting for lebron to either find a sure shot or pass it off for an assist. it works alright against mediocre eastern conference teams when lebron’s teams are stacked. but we all see what happens when he faces legit competition out west. it’s funny you bring up how much phil jackson has helped kobe, because it’s 100% true.. but what u dont realize is the fact that lebron never learning to play within a real system from a great coach is part of why he’s not nearly as good as he could be, and why he plays for stats instead of overall success. michael played this way in the 80’s and put up insane stats.. but it wasn’t until phil jackson came into his life that he learned how to play the right way by sacrificing stats to elevate his teammates. that’s when jordan was at his best, not when he was putting up insane stats and was losing .. that is what lebron is truly missing. some1 to put him up on game like phil did kobe n mj.

the league is soft now - every1 knows it. that’s why westbrook can get a triple double pretty much at will. players can pretty much find open shots whenever they want, the level of defensive intensity has been scaled down tenfold. phoenix was running the same shit that golden state is running now back in 2006 - wasn’t cutting it once they played a real team who knew how to defend. that’s a fact.

so u can carry on with your nick wright jr. “i never played the game so i only understand what the numbers tell me” bullshit..but at the end of the day, it’s predicated on distorting the facts to push a false narrative based on personal bias. media loves folks like u.
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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2018, 01:17:02 PM »
And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2018, 02:48:33 PM »
And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.


YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2018, 03:25:01 PM »
And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.


YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN

I mean, I got the new LeBron Jersey coming in the mail! Still got the Magic throwback. Don't know man, I'm not the one who's hating we signed a true top 10 player of all time! I'm as excited as I was when we signed Shaq. When the Lakers get great players, I get excited. You know, like a fan!
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2018, 04:01:15 PM »
And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.


YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN

I mean, I got the new LeBron Jersey coming in the mail! Still got the Magic throwback. Don't know man, I'm not the one who's hating we signed a true top 10 player of all time! I'm as excited as I was when we signed Shaq. When the Lakers get great players, I get excited. You know, like a fan!

i believe in magic and got faith in what he’s doing

but comparing this to the shaq signing is humorous, to say the least.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2018, 04:18:50 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2018, 07:13:32 PM »
I'm taking the time of arrival. But while we are at it, and remember you can check my posting history back to 2001 and see I've always been pro-Shaq, I'd rank LeBron as a better player than Shaq. The last title in LA should have been Kobe's, but against the Nets, you have to throw it to Shaq because the Nets had no center. Shaq was also carried by Wade, like LeBron was. Still, LeBron's 2016 title is WAY more impressive than and of Shaq's titles.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2018, 08:00:36 PM »
Finals record argument is childish. I'm not going to get into it or else I'll have to hear how the '01 76ers or '02 Nets are better than the 2017 Warriors.

But anyone with a shred of basketball knowledge knows Kobe/Shaq & MJ would be .500 if they had to play what Bron faced. Factor in the three years ('17, '18 & 07) there was nothing that could be done.

I said it before, NIK isn't a die hard Laker fan. He's a die hard Kobe fan. A true fan of the team would be losing their shit the 2nd best player in the history of basketball is on the squad. I blame myself for his switch. I believe there was a time he would of rooted Lakers over the individual. But a decade of having to argue Kobe > LeBron, only for in that time frame LeBron skyscraper jumped Kobe & landed himself into MJ debate, leaving Kobe in the, "was he really better than Magic? :eh:" HAS GOT to leave some bitterness. Hopefully winning by year 3 will remedy that.

Not going to lie though, these small, highly unlikely rumblings of Kobe coming back would be an iconic season if Kobe could hold up. I'd move to LA & watch all 41 at Staples.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2018, 08:20:13 PM »
I'm taking the time of arrival. But while we are at it, and remember you can check my posting history back to 2001 and see I've always been pro-Shaq, I'd rank LeBron as a better player than Shaq. The last title in LA should have been Kobe's, but against the Nets, you have to throw it to Shaq because the Nets had no center. Shaq was also carried by Wade, like LeBron was. Still, LeBron's 2016 title is WAY more impressive than and of Shaq's titles.

Lebron greater than a 96-03 Shaq, are you drunk? He put 61 on the Clippers one night. Give me some numbers for true centers in that era that match up? Robinson? Olajuwon? Ewing? lol.

2016 LeBron best the Warriors, the greatest regular season team of all time. There are only 4 times in my life that a player basically deadlifted his team and drug them to victory against all odds. 1997 Michael Jordan, 2010 Kobe Bryant, and 2016 LeBron James. All of those wins, afterwards I just say in disbelief at the greatness I saw. I wasn't alive for 1980 Magic Johnson, but I'd put that up there too.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2018, 08:33:34 PM »
Finals record argument is childish.
Not going to lie though, these small, highly unlikely rumblings of Kobe coming back would be an iconic season if Kobe could hold up. I'd move to LA & watch all 41 at Staples.

Hardly childish given stars have to carry teams. Pippen was great for his time but hardly the equivalent of superstars teaming up.

Yeah, but looking at today's teams of multiple stars vs. the 90's where there was one star, a useless PG on 80% of the teams, a hit or miss center, an enforcer at PF & a useless, long, small forward who played defense is just stupid.

Like the team's GM's are finding ways to get together are better than the 90's & early 2000's, but it still comes down to a team game. So Pippen was easily with his defense, the best #2 in the league at the time. So the Bulls were always better than the rest of league. The first 3peat Lakers were always better than the rest of the league.

https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/nba-finals-historical-series-odds-list

Vegas even put the 3peat appearance Lakers as better than the rest of the league.

Look at that link again. LeBron was an underdog every year but two in the Finals. Why LeBron is suppose to supersede the unbiased Vegas odds & beat a team physically better than his is a laughable argument to me. It's just that there is no other one if you're a Kobe or MJ fan. So I get why it has to get ignored & replied to with a "hahaha yeah, but he's 3-6 in the Finals".

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Think of it as like, you go to the park as a semi-pro basketball player & play a regular ass dude 10 times & smoke him all 10 times - That's MJ & Kobe in a nutshell.

Then if I go to the park as a semi-pro basketball & play an NBA player & win like 4 games. That's LeBron.

You're going to say you're better than me because the fact you played a scrub 10 times & didn't lose? & not factor in who I played vs how simple it was for you? That's virtually autistic.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 08:34:55 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.

smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 08:38:17 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.

smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq

kill yaself

Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.

As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2018, 08:41:12 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.

smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq

kill yaself

Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.

As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.

That's such a silly remark from a Laker's fan. According to Vegas, the 04 Lakers were 4.5x more of a favorite than 2011 Miami. I'll admit it was hands down his worst Finals.

But losing to Detroit in '04 was waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger a upset. But because a 3peat happened prior to that it's okay? The order in which you win titles vs get upset cancels out the blemish?
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2018, 09:07:26 PM »
Vegas didn't think Miami would win because they didn't trust LeBron to carry the team. Also, unspoken fact of 2004, no one in Vegas thought Shaq had fallen off as much as he did, combined with Malone's injury, and Peyton's washed upness. Had to make up a new word to describe how bad Peyton was. It was basically 5 on 1 with Kobe carrying a super team, and he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2018, 09:43:56 PM »
he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2018, 09:55:04 PM »
he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.

Heart of a gladiator.

If you watched the series, there was nothing Kobe could do. Shaq was being guarded one on one by Elden fucking Campbell, and Campbell stopped Shaq, freeing Ben Wallace to stop an injured Malone, and in game one, the team not named Kobe or Shaq scored 16 total. Most players like Bryron Russell and Gary Peyton were washed up and Devon George and Derek Fisher shit the bed. By singling Shaq, the Pistons shut out all Lakers but Kobe.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2018, 10:01:27 PM »
I'd argue 27-11 for the series, isn't really shutting anyone down.

I'd also argue Kobe shooting 4-24 from 3 is being shut down. 11 points in game 3 is shut down. 38% from the field is shut down.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2018, 10:13:34 PM »
Game 3 he was off, but that was the story of that whole season with the trail.

And Campbell didn't shut down Shaq per say, but usually everyone had to double Shaq which freed up our forwards. Instead they move Wallace to PF, which was new to them, and that created a lot of defensive problems that Phil had no answers for.
 

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« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2018, 11:26:48 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.

smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq

kill yaself

Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.

As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.

shame on you ... prime shaq with wade and bosh is not losing to dirk + role players and spurs when they only had 1 allstar

and u call urself a shaq fan smfh
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2018, 11:29:19 PM »
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.

smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq

kill yaself

Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.

As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.

That's such a silly remark from a Laker's fan. According to Vegas, the 04 Lakers were 4.5x more of a favorite than 2011 Miami. I'll admit it was hands down his worst Finals.

But losing to Detroit in '04 was waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger a upset. But because a 3peat happened prior to that it's okay? The order in which you win titles vs get upset cancels out the blemish?

what kinda dumb shit is this smfh, lakers lost in 04 because we needed to start slava medvadenko when malone got injured, while gary payton was beefin with phil jackson, shaq was beefin with kobe, kobe was flyin in from court on game days....

the entire laker team was in turmoil and our only post defender was hurt to top it off

don’t even try to compare that to lebrons epic meltdown of 2011
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2018, 11:33:23 PM »
he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.

Heart of a gladiator.

If you watched the series, there was nothing Kobe could do. Shaq was being guarded one on one by Elden fucking Campbell, and Campbell stopped Shaq, freeing Ben Wallace to stop an injured Malone, and in game one, the team not named Kobe or Shaq scored 16 total. Most players like Bryron Russell and Gary Peyton were washed up and Devon George and Derek Fisher shit the bed. By singling Shaq, the Pistons shut out all Lakers but Kobe.

even tho he was being guarded 1-on-1, shaq was fine on offense in that series, because the pistons game plan was to let shaq get his and focus on kobe

it was shaq’s terrible defense and refusal to step out on the pick and roll that was atrocious
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2018, 03:46:02 AM »
But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.