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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2018, 11:15:08 AM »
But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.

yea, he was obviously outa shape at that point .. the entire team was in shambles, whereas 2011 was 100% on lebron.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2018, 01:00:48 PM »
But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.

yea, he was obviously outa shape at that point .. the entire team was in shambles, whereas 2011 was 100% on lebron.

I'd agree with that. It's why I said 2004 was basically Kobe vs the whole Pistions, since Shaq didn't move up and down the court. Vegas didn't realize how much Shaq feel off.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2018, 06:35:35 PM »
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.

Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.

I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.

Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2018, 06:55:35 PM »
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.

Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.

I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.

Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.


U DONT GET IT, DO U? VEGAS DOESNT HAVE CONFIDENCE IN LEBRON CUZ HE’S A KNOWN LOSER

IMAGINE KOBE BEIN AN UNDERDOG WIT WADE N BOSH ON HIS TEAM LMFAO
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2018, 11:02:30 AM »
Well no, carried by hands down a better player in his prime & as a second fiddle...he's obviously going to be a larger favorite.

Hence the meltdown was an atrocity swept under the rug because it happened after the winning opposed to before the winning. Love how you rattled off 15 excuses of why the lost though. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Just like you say "HE WAS A RAY ALLEN SHOT AWAY". If Horry doesn't hit that shot vs the Kings they EASILY lose the series & if Fisher doesn't hit that .4 against the Spurs, the Lakers likely lose one of those next two games.

You like to mention purists. Purists of just common sense all agree with me that your levels of hypocrisy are through the roof. & your bias is unmatched.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2018, 01:29:19 PM »
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.

Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.

I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.

Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.

Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.

In  2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.

Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2018, 06:48:22 PM »
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.

Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.

I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.

Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.

Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.

In  2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.

Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.


he doesn’t know how vegas lines work lol

it’s based on what the public bets, they find a median based on wagers placed.

he’s bringing up fishers .4 shot when it didn’t even lead to a title .. and robert horrys three as if it saved a kobe chokejob ala ray allen for lebron.

the only thing that saddens me is that cham roots for an individual above a team .. shits suspect. like, he’s actually a sixers fan (bet u didn’t known that), but he rather follow lebron around wherever he goes. scust.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2018, 07:36:48 PM »
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.

Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.

I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.

Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.

Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.

In  2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.

Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.


he doesn’t know how vegas lines work lol

it’s based on what the public bets, they find a median based on wagers placed.

he’s bringing up fishers .4 shot when it didn’t even lead to a title .. and robert horrys three as if it saved a kobe chokejob ala ray allen for lebron.

the only thing that saddens me is that cham roots for an individual above a team .. shits suspect. like, he’s actually a sixers fan (bet u didn’t known that), but he rather follow lebron around wherever he goes. scust.

Hey, I only brought up Fisher's shot and how it could have influenced gamblers and bookies.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2018, 08:23:36 AM »
You're a moron lmfao. They adjust the line based on what the public bets. They open the line based on what is most likely going to happen & how they can get even money on both sides to take the vig.

NIK heavy deflecting. The Lakers go on to lose both series without both Fish & Horry's shot. It's virtually identical. Allen hitting a 3 is just another failed anti-LeBron argument.

Like if you used the ever lacking common sense. Shaq's help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*100 million more*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*keyboard breaks, buys new keyboard, resumes*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*25 billion more*>>> Fisher & Horry's shots = Allen's shot.

So to discredit anything LeBron because of a teammate finally helping him just shows how much far greater LeBron is than Kobe based on his 3 years of second fiddle.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2018, 09:42:20 AM »
You're a moron lmfao. They adjust the line based on what the public bets. They open the line based on what is most likely going to happen & how they can get even money on both sides to take the vig.

NIK heavy deflecting. The Lakers go on to lose both series without both Fish & Horry's shot. It's virtually identical. Allen hitting a 3 is just another failed anti-LeBron argument.

Like if you used the ever lacking common sense. Shaq's help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*100 million more*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*keyboard breaks, buys new keyboard, resumes*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*25 billion more*>>> Fisher & Horry's shots = Allen's shot.

So to discredit anything LeBron because of a teammate finally helping him just shows how much far greater LeBron is than Kobe based on his 3 years of second fiddle.

that’s the point .. where the line starts shows vegas’ lack of confidence in lebron and where it ends shows the people’s.

lakers in 2000-2002 was kobe, shaq and role players. kobe was actually superior to shaq by 2001 and was the better player against the superior western conference ... lebron had both wade and bosh. so wade+bosh>shaq alone .. even kobe’s first three titles are more impressive than lebrons 3. once u factor in the 2 he won with gasol, its a wrap.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2018, 10:46:48 AM »
It's a cute way to spin it, but Vegas takes the totality of the teams playing. Not the individual.

The Lakers had no business losing that series. Being -800 in a Finals & losing is an astronomical failure. Blaming everyone but Kobe is ONCE AGAIN, hypocritical on your part, if you don't see how LeBron's teammates have failed him in numerous playoff games, let alone Finals.

lol @ downplaying Shaq. You've gone full retard, damn.
 

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Re: LeBron's run to the 2018 Finals was historic.
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2018, 11:06:20 AM »
It's a cute way to spin it, but Vegas takes the totality of the teams playing. Not the individual.

The Lakers had no business losing that series. Being -800 in a Finals & losing is an astronomical failure. Blaming everyone but Kobe is ONCE AGAIN, hypocritical on your part, if you don't see how LeBron's teammates have failed him in numerous playoff games, let alone Finals.

lol @ downplaying Shaq. You've gone full retard, damn.

shaq is an all-time great .. so is wade, and bosh was a top 5-10 player in his prime, so fall all the way back

the difference between 2004 and 2011 is simple .. 2004 was the entire laker team in shambles. from chemistry, to injuries, to legal issues .. everything that coulda went wrong did. in 2011, however, the blame is 100% on lebron, and even his biggest groupies attest to this.

act like u know.