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Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« on: February 19, 2019, 05:40:31 AM »
I got to admit I always slept on these cats back in the day.  I only really knew them for 3 things:

-For them being kind of the main rap crew out West that was siding with Pac and Death Row in the Big Beef.  And the album they were working on with Pac at the time of his death.
-There was one song that kind of popped up back in the day and made it onto my radar.  "No Fear" was a video and single that made some noise, mostly on the underground and it also contained some notable disses like a fake fat-ass Biggie in the video and a Montel Jordan diss as well. 
-Around 98' they had a track with Raekwon "Black Trump" I used to see a lot on BET that I thought was bangin.

...The "No Fear" track really never left my playlist, it may be one of my all-time favorite joints.  Finally with the IPhone making basically any album immediately accessible I started listening to that full O.G.C. album The Storm and shit is bananas.  It's really grown on me.  It's a mood and concept album, play that shit on a rainy day and it goes even harder.  Starang is the standout artist in the group, but aside from Wu-tang it's hard to think of many other crews with better synergy on record than these cats.  Lyrics, beats, puts you right there in the cipher--whole album is on point from top to bottom, with a lot of replay value.

Any other fans on here?  What would you suggest as the best album from the Boot Camp/O.G.C./Heltah Skeltah click?  And what about Starang? 
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 05:44:32 AM by Infinite Trapped in 1996 »
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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2019, 03:50:38 PM »
I just got into them in the last year or so myself

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit
 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 07:57:39 PM »
I just got into them in the last year or so myself

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit

Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true
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"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 07:42:55 AM »
Don't sleep on Sean Price's solo discography as well as his protege Ruste Juxx
 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 02:45:01 AM »
Rock has one the most unique voices in the game & his solo album he dropped last year was the shit 8)
 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 04:37:51 AM »
Rock has one the most unique voices in the game & his solo album he dropped last year was the shit 8)

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2019, 01:35:10 AM »
Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true

all the shit you mentioned wouldve happened regardless...i forgot how much bullshit you write on this message board

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit

add Smif N Wessun - Dah Shinin to that list, arguably the best release of all.
and their 2nd album The Rude Awakening (as Cocoa Brovaz)

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 07:26:12 AM »
oh, and slap yourself first for not having listened to them before and calling yourself a hip hop head
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2019, 02:02:19 PM »
RIP SEAN PRICE
 

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2019, 05:21:26 PM »
Yes .

P-N-C - Dah Shinin, Incredible.

Love the new album too...

 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 01:08:49 AM »
Don't sleep on Sean Price's solo discography as well as his protege Ruste Juxx

Yeah, no doubt.  Sean Price was also a part of that family and he was one of the most respected in both the streets and behind the mic.  To be honest I'm not really that familiar with his music, more so his reputation. 

Like I said I'm just kind of realizing this past year how dominant these cats were and could of been--starting with me getting into the O.G.C. album and now I am branching out from there.  The Storm album actually sold the least out of the Boot Camp/O.G.C./Heltah Skeltah mid-90's trio of albums/groups.. but for my money it is still the best and Starang is the illest out of all of them, Gun Clappa #1
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2019, 01:09:54 AM »
Rock has one the most unique voices in the game & his solo album he dropped last year was the shit 8)

I kind of thought Rock's voice was annoying hearing it back in the day.  But it is one of the more unique and identifiable voices.

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2019, 01:13:56 AM »
Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true

all the shit you mentioned wouldve happened regardless...i forgot how much bullshit you write on this message board



Dumbass... it ain't gone fuckin happen if Pac just sits on his ass on the couch.  It was gonna happen cause Pac was Pac and he was gonna make the kind of moves he was gonna make--which includes identifying which East Coast acts he was gonna link wit to take over the game.  And he had Boot Camp in mind and that shit would've been big
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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2019, 01:55:17 AM »
Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true

all the shit you mentioned wouldve happened regardless...i forgot how much bullshit you write on this message board

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit

add Smif N Wessun - Dah Shinin to that list, arguably the best release of all.
and their 2nd album The Rude Awakening (as Cocoa Brovaz)

oh, and slap yourself first for not having listened to them before and calling yourself a hip hop head

naah infinite’s got a point .. the landscape of hip-hop ON BOTH COASTS woulda been totally different witout the murder of pac.
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 03:41:01 AM »
When will people get it that Pac (and any other legendary rapper) are at that status because they got killed in their prime? Had they lived, more than 20 years later (so now) they'd all be another KRS-1, LL Cool J or Ice T......yes, people would like their stuff and all, but no one is particularly dying to claim these artists are at the top of the foodchain nowadays.
 

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2019, 08:55:56 AM »
When will people get it that Pac (and any other legendary rapper) are at that status because they got killed in their prime? Had they lived, more than 20 years later (so now) they'd all be another KRS-1, LL Cool J or Ice T......yes, people would like their stuff and all, but no one is particularly dying to claim these artists are at the top of the foodchain nowadays.

krs-1 and ice t never got to pacs level lol not even close acrually
 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2019, 10:13:26 AM »
When will people get it that Pac (and any other legendary rapper) are at that status because they got killed in their prime? Had they lived, more than 20 years later (so now) they'd all be another KRS-1, LL Cool J or Ice T......yes, people would like their stuff and all, but no one is particularly dying to claim these artists are at the top of the foodchain nowadays.

Of course Pac dying in his prime has made him larger than life and added greatly to the legend, mystery, and theatre surrounding him and helped turn him into everything from a saint to hiphop prophet and so on and so forth I wouldn’t deny it... through death he gained an eternity of fame...

My contention and the years I mentioned were the 90’s. I said he would’ve dominated the 90’s and all the artists who I mentioned (like Mase) were big in years like 98’—so I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say that an artist of Pac’s calliber could of continued to run the table and reign for what remained of the 90’s (at least)
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2019, 12:59:00 PM »
Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true

all the shit you mentioned wouldve happened regardless...i forgot how much bullshit you write on this message board

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit

add Smif N Wessun - Dah Shinin to that list, arguably the best release of all.
and their 2nd album The Rude Awakening (as Cocoa Brovaz)

oh, and slap yourself first for not having listened to them before and calling yourself a hip hop head

I totally did forget Da Shinin lol my bad, the second album was cool too but I wouldn't tell someone to start out with that one or rank it amongst the others named
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2019, 02:07:43 PM »
When will people get it that Pac (and any other legendary rapper) are at that status because they got killed in their prime? Had they lived, more than 20 years later (so now) they'd all be another KRS-1, LL Cool J or Ice T......yes, people would like their stuff and all, but no one is particularly dying to claim these artists are at the top of the foodchain nowadays.

krs-1 and ice t never got to pacs level lol not even close acrually

That's not what I was saying. My point was that had he lived till 2019 2Pac wouldn't be doing Drake numbers and all, he'd pretty much be doing whatever rappers like Too Short, E-40 & Snoop Dogg do these days....basking in the old glory days and dropping another underground tape for a limited amount of listeners that are still tuned in after that many years...

That goes to anybody else that died too soon and never got the chance to have a music career spanning a decade or two or three
 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2019, 03:22:28 PM »
When will people get it that Pac (and any other legendary rapper) are at that status because they got killed in their prime? Had they lived, more than 20 years later (so now) they'd all be another KRS-1, LL Cool J or Ice T......yes, people would like their stuff and all, but no one is particularly dying to claim these artists are at the top of the foodchain nowadays.

krs-1 and ice t never got to pacs level lol not even close acrually



That's not what I was saying. My point was that had he lived till 2019 2Pac wouldn't be doing Drake numbers and all, he'd pretty much be doing whatever rappers like Too Short, E-40 & Snoop Dogg do these days....basking in the old glory days and dropping another underground tape for a limited amount of listeners that are still tuned in after that many years...

That goes to anybody else that died too soon and never got the chance to have a music career spanning a decade or two or three

naah pac was a different animal than e40 or short lol

pac woulda been an activist or like a combo between will smith and jay-z, only much better. empire shit.

 

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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 01:23:26 AM »
I found the follow up album for O.G.C. The Storm—their second album came out in 98 but had a different sound I’m guessing they changed producers.  Also been getting more into the Nocturnal album from Heltah Skeltah and gonna check out more of Smiff and Wesson—The Shinin that was mentioned here.  So you got a lot of groups under this umbrella when you add in Cocoa Brovaz, Black Moon, Boot Camp, whole Duck Down camp.

Maybe someone could rank all their 90’s albums in order.  I’ll try to do my own rankings and update here, and update as I go through each one...

1.  O.G.C. — The Storm (9 out of 10)
2.  Heltah Skeltah — Nocturnal (7 out of 10)
3.  Smiff and Wesson — The Shinin
4.  Cocoa Brovaz — Rude Awakenin
5.  Black Moon —  Enter the Stage (6 out of 10)
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2019, 01:35:36 AM »
I found the follow up album for O.G.C. The Storm—their second album came out in 98 but had a different sound I’m guessing they changed producers.  Also been getting more into the Nocturnal album from Heltah Skeltah and gonna check out more of Smiff and Wesson—The Shinin that was mentioned here.  So you got a lot of groups under this umbrella when you add in Cocoa Brovaz, Black Moon, Boot Camp, whole Duck Down camp.

Maybe someone could rank all their 90’s albums in order.  I’ll try to do my own rankings and update here, and update as I go through each one...

1.  O.G.C. — The Storm (9 out of 10)
2.  Heltah Skeltah — Nocturnal (7 out of 10)
3.  Smiff and Wesson — The Shinin
4.  Cocoa Brovaz — Rude Awakenin
5.  Black Moon —  Enter the Stage (6 out of 10)

Smif-n-Wessun are Cocoa Brovaz btw. Boot Camp Clik is basically Heltah Skeltah, O.G.C. & Smif-n-Wessun aand Buckshot of Black Moon
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Re: Any Boot Camp, O.G.C., Heltah Skeltah fans in here?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2019, 11:30:20 AM »
Holy shit man... this one is it!!!  Smiff and Wesson “The Shinin”

Y’all can clown on me if you want.. cause it’s 2019 and of course everyone but me knew this was a great album from the day it came out and I’m the only one who slept... whatever whatever say what you want

But regardless.. this album is it. The beats are like Illmatic type beats with the jazz and sample sounds of the mid-90’s before the sample clearances on such beats started gettin blocked

And the rhymes are all on point

This one is like 5 mics right here
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2019, 01:51:05 AM »
Holy shit man... this one is it!!!  Smiff and Wesson “The Shinin”

Y’all can clown on me if you want.. cause it’s 2019 and of course everyone but me knew this was a great album from the day it came out and I’m the only one who slept... whatever whatever say what you want

But regardless.. this album is it. The beats are like Illmatic type beats with the jazz and sample sounds of the mid-90’s before the sample clearances on such beats started gettin blocked

And the rhymes are all on point

This one is like 5 mics right here

Maybe the only time ive ever agreed with you on here. Album is practically flawless to me. Perfectly captures the sound at the time. Not a single skipper. Far and away the best album the BCC ever dropped


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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2019, 02:04:29 AM »
Yeah it’s amazing cause Pac was so ahead of his time.  For him to spot these dudes and recognize them and knight them—he would’ve had both coasts on lock and totally obliterated Bad Boy, Jay-Z, etc has he lived.  Cause the more I listen to and learn about this whole click they were pretty much the realest, rugged, rawest click out of the East and they were way deep, way united, and had the New York City streets on lock.

Damn shame Pac died cause this click would’ve ruled New York and we would’ve never seen the likes of Ja Rule, shiny suit era, Mase, or none of that shit.. hiphop would’ve stayed grimey and stayed true

all the shit you mentioned wouldve happened regardless...i forgot how much bullshit you write on this message board

I would peep Heltah Skeltah and Black Moon's first 2 albums, OGC - Da Storm, and Boot Camp Clik - For The People to start out and since those are all '90s shit

add Smif N Wessun - Dah Shinin to that list, arguably the best release of all.
and their 2nd album The Rude Awakening (as Cocoa Brovaz)

oh, and slap yourself first for not having listened to them before and calling yourself a hip hop head

naah infinite’s got a point .. the landscape of hip-hop ON BOTH COASTS woulda been totally different witout the murder of pac.

i dont doubt that things wouldve been different if Pac wasnt killed. but people overstate his influence on the genre as a whole...the whole "shiny suit era" etc wouldve still happened, shit was already moving in that direction prior to his death. Every decade had its commercial shit to balance out the real shit, whether he was still here or not that would still be the case.


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