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« on: May 21, 2019, 10:57:18 AM »
lol@U-God or any second tier Wu-tang artist trying to diss Rza. 

Funny part in the doc when Capadonna was actually trying to diss Rza saying Rza owed him a 50,000 dollar bonus he was promised for selling gold.  Only problem was that Cap had only just SHIPPED gold, he had not actually sold gold at the time he was complaining.  Rza was nice and obliged anyway and still gave him the bonus early before Cap went on to sell gold.  Yet Cap still acted salty.

And Cap benefited from great timing and luck as he was released on the coattails of the Wu-Tang forever album and in the Summer of 98' when heads were still fienin for real hip-hop.  If he'd been released any earlier the game would've been too crowded as Death Row and the West was dominant, or any later fans had headed down south and weren't into that raw hip-hop sound anymore of the 90's.  He should thank his lucky stars for his good fortune and the last person he should diss is Rza.  Rza hooked him up with a great album and good sales. I mean for the rest of his life he can say he once had a #1 album.  And he was the 10th member of the Clan!! Not even an o.g member!!

They all owe respect, love, appreciation, and most their wealth to Rza, with the exception of Method Man only, because there were times when Method Man was actually bigger than the group itself, a lot of people became fans of the Wu through Method Man and not the other way around.  I was actually a Method Man fan before I was a Wu fan.  A lot of that had to do with me being only into West Coast music during that era, and so it was rare an East Coast act would break through but when I saw "Bring the Pain" in 95' that shit was mind-blowing, the subway, the graffiti, that shit was fire, it was like some hip-hop underworld.

...And what's up with Dirty leaving his brother (and blood cousin right?) Rza to run with Dame Dash?  That was the most interesting part of the documentary regarding the disputes over money, and still Rza always takes the high road and let them out the contracts for free and came around to produce and write for ODB.

...The doc was slow at times, definitely the highlight was the old, exclusive, and never before seen footage from the Enter the 36 Chambers days.  I mean you can literally see them laying the blueprints and many of the key moments in the Wu-history. 
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2019, 11:11:17 AM »
is this on netflix?
 

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2019, 02:55:29 PM »
is this on netflix?

Nah homie, it’s on Showtime (or was it HBO) called something like “Mics and Men”... the way I had to do it was I went to Amazon.  Just type it in on Amazon and click the 7 day Showtime Trial and it is free then after you finish watching just cancel your Showtime trial

Or find it on some bootleg site.  It’s like that Suge Doc, I think it was also a Showtime Doc
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2019, 03:02:40 PM »
is this on netflix?

Nah homie, it’s on Showtime (or was it HBO) called something like “Mics and Men”... the way I had to do it was I went to Amazon.  Just type it in on Amazon and click the 7 day Showtime Trial and it is free then after you finish watching just cancel your Showtime trial

Or find it on some bootleg site.  It’s like that Suge Doc, I think it was also a Showtime Doc

will check, good looks
 

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2019, 03:26:58 PM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2019, 03:56:33 PM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

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Funny
 

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 05:23:26 PM »
I've definitely heard good things about this doc, especially studio footage from the recording sessions of 36 Chambers. It was produced by Mass Appeal (Nas) which is dope. Thanks for the reminder OP.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2019, 10:35:39 PM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

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Wu-tang did go just as well without Cappadonna and Masta Killa.  I mean Cappa wasn’t even a member till after ODB died and they were doing just fine, and Masta Killa didn’t appear much on the first album. They already had the video, single and were pretty much signed before he came.

Deck...I don’t know Deck is a pretty key component.  I mean, not so much that he should  be beefin with Rza over money and complaining about this and that in Vlad interviews—but Deck did his thing on “CREAM” and on “Triumph” so those are huge singles driving classic albums so it’s probably not fair to say they would’ve been just fine without him but I get your point.

...by the way, apparently Suge didn’t think much of Deck he just cut his verse off from Pac’s album like it wasn’t nothin... he said something funny too when he did it but I can’t remember it was somethin like “who is that guy we want Red and Meth” lol
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2019, 11:42:43 PM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

 8)

Wu-tang did go just as well without Cappadonna and Masta Killa.  I mean Cappa wasn’t even a member till after ODB died and they were doing just fine, and Masta Killa didn’t appear much on the first album. They already had the video, single and were pretty much signed before he came.

Deck...I don’t know Deck is a pretty key component.  I mean, not so much that he should  be beefin with Rza over money and complaining about this and that in Vlad interviews—but Deck did his thing on “CREAM” and on “Triumph” so those are huge singles driving classic albums so it’s probably not fair to say they would’ve been just fine without him but I get your point.

...by the way, apparently Suge didn’t think much of Deck he just cut his verse off from Pac’s album like it wasn’t nothin... he said something funny too when he did it but I can’t remember it was somethin like “who is that guy we want Red and Meth” lol

If you're referring to "Got My Mind Made Up", Kurupt (on the Breakfast Club) talks about 2Pac taking Deck off, not Suge but still a pretty foul move.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2019, 01:33:39 AM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

 8)

Wu-tang did go just as well without Cappadonna and Masta Killa.  I mean Cappa wasn’t even a member till after ODB died and they were doing just fine, and Masta Killa didn’t appear much on the first album. They already had the video, single and were pretty much signed before he came.

Deck...I don’t know Deck is a pretty key component.  I mean, not so much that he should  be beefin with Rza over money and complaining about this and that in Vlad interviews—but Deck did his thing on “CREAM” and on “Triumph” so those are huge singles driving classic albums so it’s probably not fair to say they would’ve been just fine without him but I get your point.

...by the way, apparently Suge didn’t think much of Deck he just cut his verse off from Pac’s album like it wasn’t nothin... he said something funny too when he did it but I can’t remember it was somethin like “who is that guy we want Red and Meth” lol

If you're referring to "Got My Mind Made Up", Kurupt (on the Breakfast Club) talks about 2Pac taking Deck off, not Suge but still a pretty foul move.

yup it was pac who wanted deck off but left the adlibs in because they thought it would be funny or some weird shit like that
 

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2019, 04:32:14 AM »

Wu-tang did go just as well without Cappadonna and Masta Killa.  I mean Cappa wasn’t even a member till after ODB died and they were doing just fine,


I believe Cappadonna was a member on "The W" since he's listed on the cover beside the 9 other MCs. However ODB provided only one verse on that LP on the Snoop feature. Good song.
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2019, 04:48:09 AM »
Best Verse on Iron Man



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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2019, 11:58:45 AM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

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Wu-tang did go just as well without Cappadonna and Masta Killa.  I mean Cappa wasn’t even a member till after ODB died and they were doing just fine, and Masta Killa didn’t appear much on the first album. They already had the video, single and were pretty much signed before he came.

Deck...I don’t know Deck is a pretty key component.  I mean, not so much that he should  be beefin with Rza over money and complaining about this and that in Vlad interviews—but Deck did his thing on “CREAM” and on “Triumph” so those are huge singles driving classic albums so it’s probably not fair to say they would’ve been just fine without him but I get your point.

...by the way, apparently Suge didn’t think much of Deck he just cut his verse off from Pac’s album like it wasn’t nothin... he said something funny too when he did it but I can’t remember it was somethin like “who is that guy we want Red and Meth” lol

If you're referring to "Got My Mind Made Up", Kurupt (on the Breakfast Club) talks about 2Pac taking Deck off, not Suge but still a pretty foul move.

I stand corrected... I’ll look for the story, I think Daz has some video on YouTube about Deck gettin cut
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2019, 12:02:35 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2019, 10:26:05 PM »
Don’t get me wrong, I love how candid U-God is and these are awesome interviews.  But I take Rza’s side in any Wu-Tang beef.

Even him blaming Wu’s lackluster albums on Rza’s beats I don’t agree with.  I think they just fell out of their prime—all of them.  I mean it’s not like they were dropping bombz outside of Wu-tang or outside of Rza production.  No way.  They could’ve got outside producers and it just would  have made the album feel less authentic. 

Even Meth had cooled off by that time.  I think the last time he was great was “Judgement Day”.  So they just fell out of their prime, no need to blame Rza for that.
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2019, 05:54:26 AM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

 8)

Without Deck? Nah. Cappa nicer than most and the whole Wu will tell you that.
 

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2019, 10:06:53 AM »
Wu Tang could have gone just as well without U-God, Cappadonna, Masta Killa and Inspectah Deck in all fairness

 8)

Without Deck? Nah. Cappa nicer than most and the whole Wu will tell you that.

What the Wu members say doesn't really mean much to me, most of them are boring as fuck on the mic, but I see what you are saying
 

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2019, 02:54:11 PM »
Inspectar Dark vearse was trarsh, not fittin da son anyhow
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2019, 03:09:45 AM »
I'm about to start watchin' the first episode.

lol@U-God or any second tier Wu-tang artist trying to diss Rza. 

Funny part in the doc when Capadonna was actually trying to diss Rza saying Rza owed him a 50,000 dollar bonus he was promised for selling gold.  Only problem was that Cap had only just SHIPPED gold, he had not actually sold gold at the time he was complaining.  Rza was nice and obliged anyway and still gave him the bonus early before Cap went on to sell gold.  Yet Cap still acted salty.

And Cap benefited from great timing and luck as he was released on the coattails of the Wu-Tang forever album and in the Summer of 98' when heads were still fienin for real hip-hop.  If he'd been released any earlier the game would've been too crowded as Death Row and the West was dominant, or any later fans had headed down south and weren't into that raw hip-hop sound anymore of the 90's.  He should thank his lucky stars for his good fortune and the last person he should diss is Rza.  Rza hooked him up with a great album and good sales. I mean for the rest of his life he can say he once had a #1 album.  And he was the 10th member of the Clan!! Not even an o.g member!!

Cappa was there from the start though. "The Pillage" is a classic. I have no clue what the fuck happened when they were recordin' the 2nd album though.
 

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2019, 06:14:13 AM »
Anybody know what song that is at the end of the first episode when credits roll? It's Meth rappin'.
 

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2019, 12:25:51 PM »
I’ve been wanting to watch this. Probably soon. I’d just like to say that I agree with Infinite throughout this thread. You on point b
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2019, 12:27:11 PM »
I'm about to start watchin' the first episode.

lol@U-God or any second tier Wu-tang artist trying to diss Rza. 

Funny part in the doc when Capadonna was actually trying to diss Rza saying Rza owed him a 50,000 dollar bonus he was promised for selling gold.  Only problem was that Cap had only just SHIPPED gold, he had not actually sold gold at the time he was complaining.  Rza was nice and obliged anyway and still gave him the bonus early before Cap went on to sell gold.  Yet Cap still acted salty.

And Cap benefited from great timing and luck as he was released on the coattails of the Wu-Tang forever album and in the Summer of 98' when heads were still fienin for real hip-hop.  If he'd been released any earlier the game would've been too crowded as Death Row and the West was dominant, or any later fans had headed down south and weren't into that raw hip-hop sound anymore of the 90's.  He should thank his lucky stars for his good fortune and the last person he should diss is Rza.  Rza hooked him up with a great album and good sales. I mean for the rest of his life he can say he once had a #1 album.  And he was the 10th member of the Clan!! Not even an o.g member!!

Cappa was there from the start though. "The Pillage" is a classic. I have no clue what the fuck happened when they were recordin' the 2nd album though.

cap only came around on forever and was still listed as a feature at that time.... he was originally with wu before they dropped but replaced by meth when he got locked up
 

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2019, 03:08:05 AM »
I'm about to start watchin' the first episode.

lol@U-God or any second tier Wu-tang artist trying to diss Rza. 

Funny part in the doc when Capadonna was actually trying to diss Rza saying Rza owed him a 50,000 dollar bonus he was promised for selling gold.  Only problem was that Cap had only just SHIPPED gold, he had not actually sold gold at the time he was complaining.  Rza was nice and obliged anyway and still gave him the bonus early before Cap went on to sell gold.  Yet Cap still acted salty.

And Cap benefited from great timing and luck as he was released on the coattails of the Wu-Tang forever album and in the Summer of 98' when heads were still fienin for real hip-hop.  If he'd been released any earlier the game would've been too crowded as Death Row and the West was dominant, or any later fans had headed down south and weren't into that raw hip-hop sound anymore of the 90's.  He should thank his lucky stars for his good fortune and the last person he should diss is Rza.  Rza hooked him up with a great album and good sales. I mean for the rest of his life he can say he once had a #1 album.  And he was the 10th member of the Clan!! Not even an o.g member!!

Cappa was there from the start though. "The Pillage" is a classic. I have no clue what the fuck happened when they were recordin' the 2nd album though.

cap only came around on forever and was still listed as a feature at that time.... he was originally with wu before they dropped but replaced by meth when he got locked up

Yeah, but he was there from the beginning though. I know RZA said he became a official member when they dropped "8 Diagrams", but his name was on the front cover of "The W" with the rest of the 'em, so that's when I consider him becomin' a full member. He was always the unofficial tenth member though.
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2019, 09:49:31 AM »
I'm about to start watchin' the first episode.

lol@U-God or any second tier Wu-tang artist trying to diss Rza. 

Funny part in the doc when Capadonna was actually trying to diss Rza saying Rza owed him a 50,000 dollar bonus he was promised for selling gold.  Only problem was that Cap had only just SHIPPED gold, he had not actually sold gold at the time he was complaining.  Rza was nice and obliged anyway and still gave him the bonus early before Cap went on to sell gold.  Yet Cap still acted salty.

And Cap benefited from great timing and luck as he was released on the coattails of the Wu-Tang forever album and in the Summer of 98' when heads were still fienin for real hip-hop.  If he'd been released any earlier the game would've been too crowded as Death Row and the West was dominant, or any later fans had headed down south and weren't into that raw hip-hop sound anymore of the 90's.  He should thank his lucky stars for his good fortune and the last person he should diss is Rza.  Rza hooked him up with a great album and good sales. I mean for the rest of his life he can say he once had a #1 album.  And he was the 10th member of the Clan!! Not even an o.g member!!

Cappa was there from the start though. "The Pillage" is a classic. I have no clue what the fuck happened when they were recordin' the 2nd album though.

cap only came around on forever and was still listed as a feature at that time.... he was originally with wu before they dropped but replaced by meth when he got locked up

Yeah, but he was there from the beginning though. I know RZA said he became a official member when they dropped "8 Diagrams", but his name was on the front cover of "The W" with the rest of the 'em, so that's when I consider him becomin' a full member. He was always the unofficial tenth member though.

exactly .. rza trippin, cap was a member on the w (not listed as a feature)

i had the same issue wit MO and LAMB ... originally he was just lambfam and we listed him as a feature on the back, even tho he became an official member shortly after the release