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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2003, 02:41:01 AM »
who created god trauma?

trauma is saying that not everything has an explanation. god was just there.

that's his opinion and his view of life.
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2003, 09:52:20 AM »
^^ Exactly.  Human's cant understand things, like the beginning.  For us to even try is wasting our time.  However, the beginning happened, since we're living in the now.  There had to be some sort of energy to create us, to create what we live in, to get things in motion.  The only thing that would make it impossible for their to be a beggining, is infinity.  Humans don't understand infinity, either.  Since the human mind can't understand it, let alone actually DO it, it proves that there is something greater than us out there, that WAS able to do it.  That's god.  
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2003, 09:54:12 AM »
^^ Exactly.  Human's cant understand things, like the beginning.  For us to even try is wasting our time.  However, the beginning happened, since we're living in the now.  There had to be some sort of energy to create us, to create what we live in, to get things in motion.  The only thing that would make it impossible for their to be a beggining, is infinity.  Humans don't understand infinity, either.  Since the human mind can't understand it, let alone actually DO it, it proves that there is something greater than us out there, that WAS able to do it.  That's god.  

I agree with everything of what you just said except your last 2 sentences ;)
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2003, 09:57:38 AM »
^^ Hmm, then you didn't follow my logic.  If you believe that humans aren't capable of creating the earth, and time, and blah blah blah.... then why can't you see there must be something greater than a human out there?
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2003, 10:04:02 AM »
^^ Hmm, then you didn't follow my logic.  If you believe that humans aren't capable of creating the earth, and time, and blah blah blah.... then why can't you see there must be something greater than a human out there?

you're saying that god is the explanation of creating the earth basically. i don't believe that. the big bang theory could be true, but there's still no evidence. i just don't know.
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2003, 11:51:26 AM »
yall pose an interesting argument.. no doubt..


but im here.. im alive.. im startin to really not give a fuck about history and just live it up while im alive. I dont believe in an afterlife and I feel that life is extremely fragile. So im just gonna chill and not make any dumb moves.. enough of lookin for an answer.. hopefully one will be handed to me within the next 50 years.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2003, 11:52:23 AM »
haha, i'll go with that 8)
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2003, 12:29:34 PM »
i don't believe in eveloution or the big bang theory i believe god created the it all but like said before the begining is incompehendable just like the end of the the universe cos if it stops somewhere theres gotta be something beond that stoping etc.  :-\ now i've got a headache

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That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2003, 02:26:11 PM »
The big bang theory and the inifinity of the universe are two things the human brain can not comprehend.To bring in a God as the answer to this only proves we can't understand it, yet try to get explanations. Humans are just arrogant in believing our brain could do anything,even when we know our brains fail we try to get an explanation,in the case of many of you that explanation would be God.Fact is,the "proof" for the existence of God put forward by believers,allways hase to do with the things we can't understand."If we can't explain it,it must be the work of a god". Trying to find an explanation is what has brought all gods into the culture of people. Back when the human race didn't know what caused lightning or disease it believed in gods to be the force behind that.Those things couldn't be explained so the people made up a god to be the reason for such things.The same is happening here discussing the big bang.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2003, 02:58:40 PM »
ohh i defenitly belive it, this theory is religion for me, because i belive in science, and this makes a lot of sense
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2003, 11:51:42 PM »
This theory has been discreditd in its details many times. It is possible the universe did, in fact, consist of nothing, and then exploded. But I doubt it.

The Big bang theory doesn't claim the universe consisted of nothing and than exploded, the main point is that an atom sized enormously concentrated mass dot that was (the single metter in the pre exsisting universe at that time) exploded, with it's explosion cutting out space while nearly simultaniously flooding it with particles.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2003, 12:54:07 AM »
who made god? there gotta be a daddy and mommy god getting down to some big bang theory behind it somewhere... lol.... and who made them? and who made?

its the eternal question ;)


lol....well I was about to start lecturing, when u stressed the intro to what I was about to say....
The human mind's problem is that it's too dependent, after something is proclaimed by the right authorities as proven people tend to sub-consiously dismiss any other possibilities. Asking the "Egg and Chicken" question in analogy to the universe creation(as well as the creation of it's creator) is pretty funny. Let me explain, The "Egg and Chiken's" main X parameter is Time, your asking what happent be4, asuming that the fluency of time was identical to the way time known to humans today, well-WRONG.
Let's try to clean our heads from this whole topic for a second and get back to human logic again, If I can prove to u , right here right now, that our seemingly untouchable time parameter is not even to be considered in relation to the universe's creation, what would u say?
Back to our topic, a single cell,a single metter element, containing the mass of a "future" universe, as much as the vacume of the "future" universe(as a part of it's sub atomic structure) under enormous pressing (guidence:While u're trying to imagine this picture don't see this cell in a space alike surrounding, it doesn't even have a surrounding it's a single ultra pressed cell).
 Looking at this cell, how could u messure time? It's just there, never changing, never moving, just existing, messuring time is virtually impossible, or at least was impossible untill the so called bang.
So where is our X parameter(-time) now? is it possible that the X parameter (to the mathematicly chalanged people- the independent parameter) transeformed into  the Y parameter, is it possible time as we know it today started it's run only after the bang?- time depended on an event, time changed\started it's rute as a result of an event. What does it mean than?- quite simple, time as we know it today was nowhere near be4 the Big Bang therefore questions concerning be4 and after are irrelevant as far as universe creation goes, if u think about it, u could say that relatively to the post "big bang" times ,nature, the creation force or however u may call it, had super powers at those times, since time was no boundery to it.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2003, 03:12:57 AM »
This theory has been discreditd in its details many times. It is possible the universe did, in fact, consist of nothing, and then exploded. But I doubt it.

The Big bang theory doesn't claim the universe consisted of nothing and than exploded, the main point is that an atom sized enormously concentrated mass dot that was (the single metter in the pre exsisting universe at that time) exploded, with it's explosion cutting out space while nearly simultaniously flooding it with particles.

some one explain to me what he said and i jus might know... cuzz i never learned what it was sum1 explain to me in better wrods plz. im out!!!
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2003, 04:09:53 AM »

(guidence:While u're trying to imagine this picture don't see this cell in a space alike surrounding, it doesn't even have a surrounding it's a single ultra pressed cell)

Hmm.... so where was this cell? In the middle of nowhere? Because that is also known as "space". It's impossible for there to be "no surrounding". Please explain further on this because I do not discredit you, it just doesn't seem to fit or you might have worded it incorrectly.


 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2003, 10:31:38 AM »
No. The theory has been discredited many times such as the presence of unevenly distributed matter.
Even the idea that the universe is expanding is under attack by some astronomers.

Also as far as a God creating the universe via a big bang, deism is just an assertion without much evidence, scientific or empirical. After all one would have to wonder the PURPOSE for this. That which has a beginning, has a purpose.
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2003, 10:46:15 AM »
^^ Which we cannot understand.  It's another thing that is above us, and since it exists, and is above us, how can we have done it? Therefore, there is something bigger than us.  God
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2003, 10:58:02 AM »
yes I do believe in a God, but I do not believe in re-interpreting scripture of a supposedly infallible God to fit a fallible man-made theory like the 'big-bang'.
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2003, 10:50:02 AM »

(guidence:While u're trying to imagine this picture don't see this cell in a space alike surrounding, it doesn't even have a surrounding it's a single ultra pressed cell)



Hmm.... so where was this cell? In the middle of nowhere? Because that is also known as "space". It's impossible for there to be "no surrounding". Please explain further on this because I do not discredit you, it just doesn't seem to fit or you might have worded it incorrectly.



It's a lil bit tricky in fact, what is space in it's ideal form?- it's what mater doesn't fill, now this Cell as the single existing mater could've had space in between it's infinitely detached particles like the vacume in between molecules, but no way could it have space around it, otherwise how would u explain it's extreme concentration and pressure....
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2003, 10:55:01 AM »
So where was this cell? :D
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2003, 10:55:42 AM »
It is impossible for something to not have "space" surrounding it.
 

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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2003, 11:46:50 AM »
It is impossible for something to not have "space" surrounding it.

Not if all the space is inside that something.You should notice that none of the laws of physics existed then.Even time didn't exist untill the big bang.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2003, 12:16:47 PM »
true...

i always have a problem when they say "the universe is expanding"... where into!?
isnt 'space' a vacuum? how are things there within it? is there an edge?


(now i go off on one.. lol)

what is in a vacuum... nothing? but if u've created a vacuum in say a glass of a fixed size.. then you have x-volume of nothing. but if u were to pump out air hard enough wouldnt the container implode?  so how can u call it a vacuum if u've stopped because of the restrictions of the container?

anything in there gets stretched towards the exhaust.. so i believe the 'air' is getting stretched..

so theres not really nothing.. theres just 'less pressure'.. theres still something there...  a vacuum is a low pressure volume of air...

what is the air pressure (atmospheric pressure) in space?

vac·u·um    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (vky-m, -ym, -ym)
n. pl. vac·u·ums or vac·u·a (-y-)

1) Absence of matter.
2) A space empty of matter.
3) A space relatively empty of matter.
4) A space in which the pressure is significantly lower than atmospheric pressure.

I believe 1 and 2 are an impossibilty.

..... so are we in a big glass bottle?


well no... my theory which wraps things up nicely is that the universe is some kind of moebius strip.. i also like the romantic idea proposed in one of the national lampoon films (the college one) where they're stoned about the universe being intrinsicly fractal.



also believe that there will forever be unknowns... its what drives us isnt it.. its what makes us different from everything else.. a step beyond adaption and survival into actual exploration for the sake of it, not that we need to.

they're forever breaking the atom into smaller pieces.
because they want to 'measure' the universe and put it in a box.. but i believe it doesnt fit in any box.

like they're forever making us travel faster.

fuelless ion propulsion may be the future. (the european space agency propulsion system uses a new form of this method, altho nasa was the first to pioneer its usage. they're looking to make a reusable ion engine sysem. they have a moon mapping project going up soon)


(stops waffling)

anyways.. i dont believe in a big bang theory and i dont believe in god... my beliefs have been stated here many times.. some people understand my stance on religion (e.g. trauma) whereas others (e.g infinite) dont..

i believe in physics and chemistry... i dont believe we have everything right and understood, but i believe they are approximated enough to 'make things work' and as we progress we get more accurate.
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Re:do you believe in the big bang theory?
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2003, 03:05:46 PM »

it could be true, it could not be true. i don't know; it's not a proven fact. i actually don't really care :-X

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