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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2003, 10:30:29 PM »
there's nothing wrong with abortion. it's not murder at all. it's true when you say they should have used protection, but you can't be 100% sure even with protection. if the parents can't give the child a good life anyway, what's wrong with abortion? i mean, the foetus still so young it doesn't even realize it has pain or whatsoever, so don't start about murder >:(
 

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2003, 11:00:54 PM »
abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2003, 11:50:46 PM »
abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!



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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2003, 12:08:40 AM »
woman always go around saying you can never really as a man say whether abortion is right or wrong


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overall abortion =murder, should be illegal


the only time you can even slightly let abortion slide,iis if you're raped by your brother/father/uncle/grandpa . even then it should be evaluated by a professional therapist


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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2003, 12:20:44 AM »
http://www.saffronsoul.com/womens_new/womens_fetaldevelop.asp


life starts with the cells divid... ::)



a cell is life puta da baby dont form a brain til after 3 monts brain controls whut u feel n shit so they cant feel shit
 

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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2003, 12:23:29 AM »
it is still a life.. cell division=life.. because their is action going on.. a baby is forming..

damn you must be that stupid ass NIK!
 

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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2003, 12:47:30 AM »
evry time u smoke weed it kills brain cells n cells is life so ur sayin dat we shoudnt smoke weed coz if we do we muredrs.............fuckin puta
 

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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2003, 02:21:19 AM »
evry time u smoke weed it kills brain cells n cells is life so ur sayin dat we shoudnt smoke weed coz if we do we muredrs.............fuckin puta

actually that's 100% correct man


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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2003, 02:28:34 AM »
termination is up to the individual and other people shouldnt go stickin their noses in sayin how wrong it is or that its murder an all that !! deciding to have a termination is not wrong or evil imo !!
 

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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2003, 07:42:59 AM »
Yep its something like 12 weeks after the conception that you cant have an abotion...


..the reason for this is that the "baby" isnt yet a baby...


...it hasnt started to fully develop as a "human being"...


...my only arguement here is those pictures are one of 2 things...

1) they have been used as propaganda by some anti abortion / pro life group.
2) they are of something we better off not knowing...ie there are places and countries where abortion is illegal / frowned on by the culture ( & punishable)
therefore people go to impossible lenghts to get rid of the baby...usually by medievil means which are inhumane and barbaric...


....now i am no more pro abotion than i am against..its down to the individual situation...if a girl gets raped...if someone gets pregnant in an impossible situation...ie parents staunch religious beliefs....absolout poverty...violent / abusive household...

...each story is different....

 

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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2003, 07:44:24 AM »
well said op !!
 

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2003, 07:59:39 AM »
Thanks hon..


..difficult subject but needs to be handled n discussed maturely not like chicken heads...needs to see the whole picture..from all angles to appreciate it subjectively...see all the arguements and reasons for and against (situational) of an abortion.
 

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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2003, 08:07:22 AM »
..difficult subject but needs to be handled n discussed maturely not like chicken heads...

word !!

people cant just jump up and down sayin its wrong cuz they dont know the situation.......i reckon there is far worse things goin on in the world !!
 

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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2003, 08:21:09 AM »
yup..

its 100% about personal choice + the situation.. for example... people shouldnt stick their noses in and tell some poor girl 14 yr old that gets knocked up by accident, or worse as victim as of rapist that if she aborts she's doing the wrong thing.. in my view she has a legitimate right to abort - but also to keep it if she wants.. and at the end of the day its her choice.
(and yeah i know this situation better than u think... an ex of mine was raped around 13/14 and i was her first bf after that situation...)

i have friends that have had girlfriends abort kids etc.. we still sometimes say things like "if she hadnt my kid would be 5/6 or whatever now.." but.. its for the good.. coz i knew he was being cheated on and she wasnt even sure it was his.. shit like that ya know. and theres still regret even if you have done what you think is 'the right thing' for your situation morally.

the trickier situation is when a woman wants to keep a baby, and a man wants it aborted... or vice versa... yeah he planted the seed... if it is accidental and she keeps it he's being railroaded a situation where he has to pay for that for 18 years... even if precautions were taken... :/
horrible situation.

reminds me of  a guy that used to work here. he had baliffs sent via the solicitors by a woman he had a one night stand with over 10 years ago... they turned up demanding back maintenace for this 10 yr old son he never knew he had :(

personally... i dont want kids until my situation is stable and its planned (basically avoiding bring a kid into a unstable situation if i can help it) but if something happened before then.. well it'd depend on the kinda things we're talkin about..  :)

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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2003, 08:32:34 AM »
my sister had a termination when she was 14......the bloke was alot older than her and he was quite violent...he used to get in to fights all the time, hit his mum when he was pissed and he had 2 other kids from another relationship.
this is how fucked up the geezer was.....he had split up with his ex missus but when he found out she had a new boyfriend he broke in to her flat and smashed the place up !!
imo she made the best choice cuz i wouldnt want that fuckin dick to have a hold over her life cuz she had his kid.
my sister still gets upset about it now and shes 22 but i tell her that i support the decision she made 100%.
 

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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2003, 10:30:33 AM »
abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!

ah, just shut up! do you actually believe the foetus even realizes in some sort of way it has pain?! even if it did, it would still be for the better cause because its parents couldn't give it the life it should get.
 

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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2003, 10:33:27 AM »
This thread is such an illustration of the difference between TOT and G-Spot

Even though TOT is full of retards some of the time, look at the difference in maturity of posts when this thread was in the G-Spot to when it got moved

Anyway, despite a catholic upbringing, I believe that abortion should be available, but only in strict conditions.  It has to be state owned (or else abortion centres run by private companies would be popping up like McDonalds) and full psychological assesment and all that should be offered.

Abortion becomes wrong when it is looked at as a contraceptive.  I know of a girl I knew at school that has had 2 already (19).  To some young girls I think they see it as the pill or a condom, not the total last ditch desperate situation measure it should be.

 

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« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2003, 02:16:30 PM »
well you guys believe what you want to believe... but i see it as a life... i dont even know how anyone can compare a life with some brain cells... a life is a life... when you have unprotected sex with someone.. you open yourself up to the possibilites of pregnancy and illness... a person just pay for the consequences
 

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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2003, 04:40:35 PM »
Of course abortion is wrong, people just don't want to think about it because they're more concerned about convienance in their life.  It's convienant for them to fuck whoever they want, and then not have to worry about a baby.  Yes, that's a real picture, Yes, it happens all the time, Yes, the baby is already moving when it's usually aborted, Yes, it already has a heartbeat, yes, sometimes when the baby is aborted it even cries.  This is one of the reasons I will never, EVER be a fucking democrat, Democrats believe as liberals that a woman should be able to have a friekin' PARTIAL BIRTH abortion.  What the FUCK?  I get pissed about this too, I think it's easily one of the most horrible things the human race has ever thought up.  

It comes down to disrespect, and the general loss of responsibility the world is  slowly being eaten with.  It's dividing people.  Not every democrat or every liberal believes in abortion, I'm not saying that.  I'm just saying I think it's sickening, and it's mostly the democratic party pushing for this disgusting shit.  
 

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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2003, 04:49:05 PM »
Of course abortion is wrong, people just don't want to think about it because they're more concerned about convienance in their life.  It's convienant for them to fuck whoever they want, and then not have to worry about a baby.  Yes, that's a real picture, Yes, it happens all the time, Yes, the baby is already moving when it's usually aborted, Yes, it already has a heartbeat, yes, sometimes when the baby is aborted it even cries.  This is one of the reasons I will never, EVER be a fucking democrat, Democrats believe as liberals that a woman should be able to have a friekin' PARTIAL BIRTH abortion.  What the FUCK?  I get pissed about this too, I think it's easily one of the most horrible things the human race has ever thought up.  

It comes down to disrespect, and the general loss of responsibility the world is  slowly being eaten with.  It's dividing people.  Not every democrat or every liberal believes in abortion, I'm not saying that.  I'm just saying I think it's sickening, and it's mostly the democratic party pushing for this disgusting shit.  

That's real talk, thats exactly how I feel about it
 

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2003, 04:50:12 PM »
Here's a little description of what a fucking democrat like Tom Daschelle or Al Gore wants to allow.

In September, 1993, Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years or experience, was assigned by her nursing agency to an abortion clinic. Since Nurse Shafer considered herself "very pro-choice," she didn’t think this assignment would be a problem. She was wrong. This is what Nurse Shafer saw:

" I stood at the doctor’s side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby’s heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby’s body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby’s body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby’s head, and the baby’s arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."

I'm literally on the edge of puking all over my computer screen.  If you think Abortion is o.k., you're a cruel son of a bitch.  
 

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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2003, 07:15:42 PM »
I just checked Howard Dean's website, most people haven't heard of him, but he'll probably be the next democratic canidate for office of president in the u.s.

He has this to say about the picture above :)

"One of the most outrageous attacks on a woman’s right to choose is the so-called Partial Birth Abortion bill.  As a physician, I know that there is no such thing in the medical literature as “partial birth abortion.”  But there are rare times when a doctor is called upon to perform a late term abortion to save a woman’s life or protect her from injury.  Yet the House of Representatives recently made it a federal crime for a doctor to perform such medically necessary procedures.  That bill will chill the practice of medicine and endanger the health of countless women."

"There's... no... such... thing... as ... partial... birth .... abortion."  So now he's playing name games.  This lewd fucker supports the story the woman gave above.  Dragging a baby out of a womb, and then using a friekin' vacuum cleaner to suck his brains out, all the while he's kicking and shit.  That's a medically necessary procedure?  How?

He says it's medically necessary.  In Kansas, abortionists are required to keep records of 'partial birth abortions'.  The state had 182 of them performed in 1999, and all 182, the abortionists THEMSELVES stated were purely for mental reasons, not physical reasons.  This proves, through the ONLY data even available, that literally NONE of the partial birth abortions are medically necessary! Where the fuck does this guy get off?  He's a fucking baby killer, and people actually want to elect this asshole.  
 

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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2003, 07:45:42 PM »
I don't know the situation in the US. so I can only speculate, but surely partial birth abortions would only be performed if absolutely necessary.

When you list mental reasons, that could mean that the baby is seriously disabled, ie. him/her will have no kind of life, would need 24/7 expensive medical care, which its family would not be able to cope with.

All this baby killer rhetoric damages your argument.  It's an immotive issue but if you want to discuss it chill out.