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Life Story Before Islam
« on: July 14, 2003, 07:04:11 AM »
Chapter 7.  My Life, My Prison, Before I Knew That I Could Become A Muslim


On the outside, I had everything.  I had everything that an average American kid could desire.  

I grew up in an upper-middle-class white nieghborhood.  I had dozens of friends.  I dated beautiful girls.  I was good enough to play for my highschool basketball team.  My family had enough money to send me to whatever college I chose (within reason).  When I was in highschool, my parents used to always ask me, "What's Wrong?"  One time I finally got fed up and replied, "School sucks and home sucks".  

Today I am ashamed that I would say something like that to my parents after the sacrifices they made for me.  At the time, I didn't see what my father worked so hard for.  We had a big house.  A living room that we never lived in.  A dining room that we never dined in.  Both these rooms were off-limits.  They were only for looks.  It seemed to me then that my whole family was just "for looks".  Sometimes, with various friends or girlfriends I had, every once in a while I would have a "deep" conversation, in it, we would reveal to eachother just how miserable we thought our lives were.  Misery loves company.  If it was a girlfriend of mine, she would of said something similar to this to me in one of these conversations:

"People think that they know me, but they really don't. (Such and Such girl) is a bitch, and she is so niave.  Everyone tries to act like there lives are so perfect, but they are just fake.  I need someone who is real.  Sometimes I think I don't give a fuck anymore what happens.  After what my father did to my mom, and after what my last boyfriend did to me, it's like, I don't give a fuck anymore.  I'm so sad, and then so confused, sometimes I don't even know which way is up.  I can't trust anyone anymore.  Either a guy is too atatched to me and I don't like it.  Or he doesn't spend enough time with me and I get jelous.  I just want us to have fun, and I just want to forget about everything."    

Why were we all so miserable on the inside?  Why couldn't we just enjoy our lives and go along with it?

The truth is.  Most of us do go along with it.  OUR WHOLE LIVES.  Every once in a while in highschool, we would all get drunk together and express our apathy for the outside world.  Sometimes, the truth would come out after you had humiliated your friend or girlfriend by abandoning them, and they would cry out for sympathy and compassion.  Some people used art to express their despondency.  Live vicariously through their favorite musical artist and have their feelings gain national exposure through the music.  Have you heard American music.  Their is a reason why so many people in America identify with the violence, drug abuse, suicidal tendencies and sexual degradation that permeates the music.  This music represents who they think they are.  Infact, their were some groups of kids in school who didn't want to be "fake".  So they walked around wearing all black (They were called Mansonites after rockstar Marilyn Manson).  Their goal was to be "real" and show their indifference to the world more noticably.  These are the kids who were called "losers" and "geeks" in highschool.  However, their only "fault" was their inability to mask their true selves from the outside world.

There was a time when life had once made sense to us.  First, most of us started out Christian.
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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2003, 08:40:43 AM »
iraq is already america's. of course he wants peace. i got respect for you, but this thread is just stupid and ignorant.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2003, 08:52:01 AM »
iraq is already america's. of course he wants peace. i got respect for you, but this thread is just stupid and ignorant.

Thanks for the respect.  But if there was peace, then America could no longer justify being an occupying force, so then they would have to accept oil at bargain prices instead of stealing it for free.  (While the taxpayers pay for the deployment of troops)
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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2003, 08:57:50 AM »
iraq is already america's. of course he wants peace. i got respect for you, but this thread is just stupid and ignorant.

Thanks for the respect.  But if there was peace, then America could no longer justify being an occupying force, so then they would have to accept oil at bargain prices instead of stealing it for free.  (While the taxpayers pay for the deployment of troops)

that's like thinking america planned the attacks of september 11th
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2003, 09:21:08 AM »
that's like thinking america planned the attacks of september 11th

The people at the top certainly benefited
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2003, 09:22:38 AM »
that's like thinking america planned the attacks of september 11th

The people at the top certainly benefited

are you saying you believe that? ::)
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2003, 09:24:51 AM »
I believe what I just said.
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 09:30:28 AM »
ok
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 09:51:58 AM »
Are you saying you disagree?
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2003, 09:56:46 AM »
Infinite, you don't even seem like a real person anymore. Just one giant Muslim billboard. Maybe people would respect you more if they could see the human side of you as opposed to the angry american hating American that you are.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2003, 09:58:12 AM »
i don't agree. i'm not saying i disagree though. it did make their job harder if you talk about politicians. if you talk about other people with a lot of money, they lost money.

 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2003, 10:05:38 AM »
i don't agree. i'm not saying i disagree though. it did make their job harder if you talk about politicians. if you talk about other people with a lot of money, they lost money.




I think Bush himself and the whole administration benefited.  Bush was a one term certainty with low approval ratings before he got the chance to demonstrate leadership.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2003, 10:27:24 AM »
i don't agree. i'm not saying i disagree though. it did make their job harder if you talk about politicians. if you talk about other people with a lot of money, they lost money.




I think Bush himself and the whole administration benefited.  Bush was a one term certainty with low approval ratings before he got the chance to demonstrate leadership.

don't know about that. he didn't really have anything important to do until september 11th (don't take that too literally ;)). i wouldn't want to be in his shoes as a president.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2003, 10:28:57 AM »
Disgraceful, this is the future of america, folks, people that think like this.  America's going to turn into the hell that the middle east is, because the same sentiments are going around over here.  Oh well, maybe I'll be dead by then, and won't have to see my kids suffer through it.  
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2003, 10:29:14 AM »
Bush and the war hawks don't mind the fact that American soldiers are recieving 10 to 25 violent attacks a day.  It gives them an excuse to occupy Iraq for a longer period and usurp more of Iraq's resources.  The only thing "free" in Iraq is it's oil.  And don't be stupid and selfish and think that as American's we are benefitting from the exploitation of Iraq.  Actually, we are the one's paying the 4 billion dollar a month bill to occupy Iraq while the war hawks got their hands deep in industry's like Hallingburton and are stacking away enough doe to keep their grandkid's grandkid's rich and powerful.  

But just as they make plans Allah makes plans.  And Allah is the best of planners.

I agree with everything you said except that muslim shit....because all religions are b/s.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2003, 10:32:28 AM »
Infinite, you don't even seem like a real person anymore. Just one giant Muslim billboard. Maybe people would respect you more if they could see the human side of you as opposed to the angry american hating American that you are.

Hector.  Maybe your right.  That's probably true.  Never thought of that.  The reason my name is left the way it is, is because I don't post here much but I still wanted to make a statement.

Also Mauzip, I am not one of those people who thinks that the government had any part in the planning of the Sept. 11th attacks.  Our government had, however, created the nessacary political climate for the staging of the Sept. 11th attacks but they did not want them to happen.  

Bush probably does care about the loss of American lives.  The thing is, in Iraq, he thinks the benefits of stealing Iraq's oil and dominating another key post in the middleeast are greater than the loss of a few human lives.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2003, 10:39:24 AM »
Well you should post more. I don't agree with a bunch of what you say, but you are a smart cat, and this board needs intellegence. Too many morons tryin to be something they are not in this place.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2003, 10:39:53 AM by Hector Dragoncox »
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2003, 10:42:36 AM »
^ Where you're whole argument crumbles is, the U.S. government went to war in Iraq under CONSIDERABLE cost to the U.S. government... nobody but the british and the australians were man enough to accompany us.  We've spent BILLIONS on this war, and haven't taken a single drop of oil; the oil that's been sold has been used to rebuild the country.  Also, the focus of the U.S. on creating a new government in Iraq, of Iraqis, shows that they're intentions are in the interest of the Iraqi people, AND the American people.  Iraq was attacked pure and simple because of Saadam Hussein, an evil, evil man, by ALL accounts.  The people of Iraq rejoiced when we did it, and just yesterday, their government met to decide to make the day we LIBERATED Iraq their new holiday.  

And if you'd slide your turban up a little bit, and take a look around at the gas pumps, you clown, you'd see that gas prices are STILL skyrocketing.  We're not getting cheap oil, the war has done nothing but RAISE the price of oil.  = Your argument is sevvvvverely flawed.  If it's for cheap oil... WHERES IT AT?

What ever happened to common sense? Everyone is so eager to  prove a conspiracy theory... IN EVERYTHING, that they don't believe what their eyes show them, or their ears hear.  They think Tupac's still alive, some people think he's a prophet.  *Ahem.  They refuse to believe anything anyone in power says.  They think they are more intelligent then the sum of the Central Intelligence Agency... they think they're better informed than the president of the united states; I mean it's fucking rediculous, the arrogancy going on here.  It's one thing to be cautious, but when your mind is so filled with hate for your OWN COUNTRY, you have serious psychological issues going on! Your dad must have hit you so hard Inf he made you think he and every man like him that lives in the entire country was evil.  You need to open your eyes and realize that your personal problems are influencing everything you believe.  You think we're "blind slaves" for being proud of our country, but in reality you're a slave to doubt, and pessimism.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2003, 10:48:29 AM »
^ Where you're whole argument crumbles is, the U.S. government went to war in Iraq under CONSIDERABLE cost to the U.S. government... nobody but the british and the australians were man enough to accompany us.  We've spent BILLIONS on this war, and haven't taken a single drop of oil; the oil that's been sold has been used to rebuild the country.  Also, the focus of the U.S. on creating a new government in Iraq, of Iraqis, shows that they're intentions are in the interest of the Iraqi people, AND the American people.  Iraq was attacked pure and simple because of Saadam Hussein, an evil, evil man, by ALL accounts.  The people of Iraq rejoiced when we did it, and just yesterday, their government met to decide to make the day we LIBERATED Iraq their new holiday.  

And if you'd slide your turban up a little bit, and take a look around at the gas pumps, you clown, you'd see that gas prices are STILL skyrocketing.  We're not getting cheap oil, the war has done nothing but RAISE the price of oil.  = Your argument is sevvvvverely flawed.  If it's for cheap oil... WHERES IT AT?

What ever happened to common sense? Everyone is so eager to  prove a conspiracy theory... IN EVERYTHING, that they don't believe what their eyes show them, or their ears hear.  They think Tupac's still alive, some people think he's a prophet.  *Ahem.  They refuse to believe anything anyone in power says.  They think they are more intelligent then the sum of the Central Intelligence Agency... they think they're better informed than the president of the united states; I mean it's fucking rediculous, the arrogancy going on here.  It's one thing to be cautious, but when your mind is so filled with hate for your OWN COUNTRY, you have serious psychological issues going on! Your dad must have hit you so hard Inf he made you think he and every man like him that lives in the entire country was evil.  You need to open your eyes and realize that your personal problems are influencing everything you believe.  You think we're "blind slaves" for being proud of our country, but in reality you're a slave to doubt, and pessimism.

Trauma, I don't have time to read through all your esoteric verbal husk (bullshit).   But I would atleast like to correct your first statement.  George Bush and the war hawks are not paying for the war effort, the American taxpayers are.  That means you and I.  

I agree with Libertarian Presidential candidate Harry Browne who says instead of taking taxes out of our checks to pay for the war, give everybody that money, and then let them choose with their own money what cause they want to support, or hell, even go to Isreal and join their army if you feel that strongly about supporting the apartied and oppression of the Palestinians.
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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2003, 10:52:27 AM »
^^ If you won't read, then how can you keep arguing your point I just destroyed?

NO CHEAP OIL.  THE GAS PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.  WE'RE NOT BENEFITING.

There, that's the summary.

Another thing: If Bush SELLS Oil; wouldn't he do better, PERSONALLY, if prices skyrocketed?  So; which is it? Are We stealing Iraq's oil, and cutting Bush's throat?  Or are we having the war, to raise the value of Bush's personal oil?

You need to get your conspiracy theories correct.  
 

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2003, 10:58:36 AM »
^^ If you won't read, then how can you keep arguing your point I just destroyed?

NO CHEAP OIL.  THE GAS PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.  WE'RE NOT BENEFITING.

There, that's the summary.

Another thing: If Bush SELLS Oil; wouldn't he do better, PERSONALLY, if prices skyrocketed?  So; which is it? Are We stealing Iraq's oil, and cutting Bush's throat?  Or are we having the war, to raise the value of Bush's personal oil?

You need to get your conspiracy theories correct.  

Our gas prices have no inclusion into this argument because the war hawks bank accounts are not linked to our bank accounts.  It is the industries such as Hallingburton that are going to make the war hawks families rich for generations and generations at the expense of Iraq and the average American people.  

Hallingburton is stealing their oil and selling it to foriegn markets and investors and lining their own pockets with it.  It doesn't trickle down to the average American.
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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2003, 11:46:51 AM »
^^ If you won't read, then how can you keep arguing your point I just destroyed?

NO CHEAP OIL.  THE GAS PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.  WE'RE NOT BENEFITING.

There, that's the summary.

Another thing: If Bush SELLS Oil; wouldn't he do better, PERSONALLY, if prices skyrocketed?  So; which is it? Are We stealing Iraq's oil, and cutting Bush's throat?  Or are we having the war, to raise the value of Bush's personal oil?

You need to get your conspiracy theories correct.  

Our gas prices have no inclusion into this argument because the war hawks bank accounts are not linked to our bank accounts.  It is the industries such as Hallingburton that are going to make the war hawks families rich for generations and generations at the expense of Iraq and the average American people.  

Hallingburton is stealing their oil and selling it to foriegn markets and investors and lining their own pockets with it.  It doesn't trickle down to the average American.

I don't know what this "Hallingburton" is that you speak of, but Dick Cheny's old company is Haliburton.
 

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Re:Bush doesn't want peace in Iraq when there's so much to gain
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2003, 11:58:42 AM »
Too many mormons tryin to be something they are not in this place.

I agree.
 

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2003, 12:00:59 PM »
I think its pretty funny that Infinite edits almost every single post he makes...just to make sure he sounds smart and correct.
 

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2003, 12:01:43 PM »
Too many mormons tryin to be something they are not in this place.

I agree.

LOL ;D