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People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle sametime
« on: August 30, 2002, 07:33:52 PM »
Hey people who wanna loose weight, and gain muslce in the sametime one word CARDIO!..check this out..


This was written by nandi12 at cuttingedgemuscle.. Great read about whey vs. casienate
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One dilemma facing athletes is whether to eat anything before cardio, and if so, what. A recent study sheds some light on this and suggests the best option. (1).

The rationale for cardio on an empty stomach is obviously to increase fat burning. When carbs are taken in before exercise the carbs are preferentially used for fuel, sparing fat. On the other hand exercising on an empty stomach elevates cortisol levels which break down not only fats but muscle for fuel.

The other option is ingesting protein before exercise. This may spare muscle, but does it inhibit fat burning? Surprisingly, according to the study, it depends on the type of protein.

Rats were exercised under 4 different conditions. (1) Fasting. (2) Glucose meal before exercise. (3) whole milk protein before exercise (4) lactalbumin enriched whey before exercise.

At the end of the study, the glucose and milk protein fed rats gained fat mass, showing that these diets blunted the fat burning from exercise. The fasted rats lost both muscle and fat, whereas the whey fed rats lost just as much fat as the fasted rats, but gained muscle.

The moral is to burn fat and actually build muscle while doing cardio, ingest whey protein beforehand.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72

A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.

Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.

Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.

The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity.

 

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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2002, 10:00:53 PM »
If you want to lose wieght, then I suggest fasting.  But do not fast to obtain physical beauty, fasting should be done as an example of faith and obedience to Allah.
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2002, 10:28:17 PM »
Losing weight requires a good routine of exercise and a good diet.

As long as your eating right you can crawl and lose weight. It's all about eating habits.
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2002, 08:17:32 AM »
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Hey people who wanna loose weight, and gain muslce in the sametime one word CARDIO!..check this out..


This was written by nandi12 at cuttingedgemuscle.. Great read about whey vs. casienate
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One dilemma facing athletes is whether to eat anything before cardio, and if so, what. A recent study sheds some light on this and suggests the best option. (1).

The rationale for cardio on an empty stomach is obviously to increase fat burning. When carbs are taken in before exercise the carbs are preferentially used for fuel, sparing fat. On the other hand exercising on an empty stomach elevates cortisol levels which break down not only fats but muscle for fuel.

The other option is ingesting protein before exercise. This may spare muscle, but does it inhibit fat burning? Surprisingly, according to the study, it depends on the type of protein.

Rats were exercised under 4 different conditions. (1) Fasting. (2) Glucose meal before exercise. (3) whole milk protein before exercise (4) lactalbumin enriched whey before exercise.

At the end of the study, the glucose and milk protein fed rats gained fat mass, showing that these diets blunted the fat burning from exercise. The fasted rats lost both muscle and fat, whereas the whey fed rats lost just as much fat as the fasted rats, but gained muscle.

The moral is to burn fat and actually build muscle while doing cardio, ingest whey protein beforehand.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72

A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.

Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.

Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.

The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity.



LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahaha only you roccy would post this lololol
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2002, 09:06:24 AM »
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LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahaha only you roccy would post this lololol



actually I got it from bodybuilding.com fag.....
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2002, 05:13:38 PM »
Props, Roccy on trying to change your image for the better.  BTW, Fasting won't work to lose weight unless it's extreme fasting.  
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2002, 05:51:33 PM »
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Props, Roccy on trying to change your image for the better.  BTW, Fasting won't work to lose weight unless it's extreme fasting.  


Yeah i heard fasting lowers your metabolism so your body burns less fat, or sumting...

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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2002, 05:57:17 PM »
Doctor's also told me if u dont eat..u burn less fat..u dont gotta eat t'l u get full..just enough u can exercise with and that will keep your mind off food...peace
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2002, 06:07:53 PM »
Exactly.  I mean, you CAN lose weight by fasting, but you'll also lose muscle, which is bad.  Look @ the guys on Survivor, one of them lost what, 40 pounds? Basically just because he starved the whole time.  

Fasting for a day or two doesn't help, because like you said it'll slow your metabolism, however, fasting would be good as an exercise of self control, to help you eat less, instead of just eating whenever you feel like it.  

The best, best, best ways to lose weight are of course aerobic exercise, and weight lifting.  Weight lifting builds muscles, and muscles need oxygen, therefore they burn more calories up.  The bigger your arms, the more calories you burn, in other words.  That's Hulk Hogan's secret, he does some Aerobic exercise, but he's HUGE on lifting weights, and he "Hangs and Bangs" several hours a day, it's just something he likes to do.  As a result, he's been in excellent shape his entire life.  He's known to wake up at 3:30 in the morning, go downstairs, and start lifting weights, it's what relaxes him.  
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2002, 07:20:03 PM »
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Exactly.  I mean, you CAN lose weight by fasting, but you'll also lose muscle, which is bad.  Look @ the guys on Survivor, one of them lost what, 40 pounds? Basically just because he starved the whole time.  

Fasting for a day or two doesn't help, because like you said it'll slow your metabolism, however, fasting would be good as an exercise of self control, to help you eat less, instead of just eating whenever you feel like it.  

The best, best, best ways to lose weight are of course aerobic exercise, and weight lifting.  Weight lifting builds muscles, and muscles need oxygen, therefore they burn more calories up.  The bigger your arms, the more calories you burn, in other words.  That's Hulk Hogan's secret, he does some Aerobic exercise, but he's HUGE on lifting weights, and he "Hangs and Bangs" several hours a day, it's just something he likes to do.  As a result, he's been in excellent shape his entire life.  He's known to wake up at 3:30 in the morning, go downstairs, and start lifting weights, it's what relaxes him.  


Fard Muhammad-  To get people black men and women to convert to Islam in the early 1900's.  Used to act like a salesmen.  He used to sell vaccuum cleaners and dietary solutions to get in the door and then he would later try to proselytize Islam.

He was known as a dietary genius.  People would enter his programs and lose wieght like they never had before.  He taught people to fast, rid themselves of pork, and if they weren't fasting to eat only one meal a day.  (Getting them to eat one meal a day was easier then because this was in the times of the depression.)

When you fast it shrinks your stomach and you want to eat less.  You don't have to fast everyday, but apply it to your life 1 or two times a week and I guarantee you will see changes.  But most people don't want to recognize this as the best solution to your wieght problem and lack of self-control because it's too hard for them.  Yet, if you have obedience and love for your creator, you will hold up your end of the bargain and perform the fast as it has been ordained.  It is a contract between you and God, and nothing clears the conscience like a fast.

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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2002, 05:04:24 AM »
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Fard Muhammad-  To get people black men and women to convert to Islam in the early 1900's.  Used to act like a salesmen.  He used to sell vaccuum cleaners and dietary solutions to get in the door and then he would later try to proselytize Islam.

He was known as a dietary genius.  People would enter his programs and lose wieght like they never had before.  He taught people to fast, rid themselves of pork, and if they weren't fasting to eat only one meal a day.  (Getting them to eat one meal a day was easier then because this was in the times of the depression.)

When you fast it shrinks your stomach and you want to eat less.  You don't have to fast everyday, but apply it to your life 1 or two times a week and I guarantee you will see changes.  But most people don't want to recognize this as the best solution to your wieght problem and lack of self-control because it's too hard for them.  Yet, if you have obedience and love for your creator, you will hold up your end of the bargain and perform the fast as it has been ordained.  It is a contract between you and God, and nothing clears the conscience like a fast.

Don't eat or drink from sunrise to sunset.  


I could'nt have explained it better myself....u explained it beautifully brother.
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2002, 12:21:28 PM »
fasting is bad to do on a constant basis. its ok to do it once in a while for religious reasons or whtever. roccy just eat popcorn and water like a valley girl....lol
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2002, 08:06:22 PM »
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fasting is bad to do on a constant basis. its ok to do it once in a while for religious reasons or whtever. roccy just eat popcorn and water like a valley girl....lol


I watched Jenny Jones where some lady lost like 150 pounds on her popcorn and beer diet lol
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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2002, 05:42:46 AM »
building muscle and loosing fat can't be done at the same time, it's physical impossible without drugs. To build muscles your calorie intake must be bigger than what u can burn. Too loose fat your calorie intake must be less than what u burn... simple as that

and i know that this is a "recent study" but these studies comes around all the time, its a way for people to try to find a easy way out.... well there ain't no easy way out.

There's a reason why pro bb'ers do bulk and cutting phases. Tell any pro bb'er that he can loose fat and build muscles naturally and he will laugh right in your face.

I actually just went through a cutting phase with whey protein and i didn't build muscle what so ever.

 

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Re: People who wanna loose weight+gain muscle same
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2014, 08:16:31 PM »
If you want to lose wieght, then I suggest fasting.  But do not fast to obtain physical beauty, fasting should be done as an example of faith and obedience to Allah.


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