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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2003, 03:58:49 PM »
Yes, some Muslims do support Bin Laden/Terrorists' actions. But, you can't generalize on the whole religion,
I'm not generalizing a whole religion. I'm merely pointing out that Osama bin Laden has wide support all across the muslim world.

I agree with you, he does. But to some people like CWalker, this means a whole 'nother thing. He generalizes the whole religion, and goes on to say that the religion is actually what teaches this. Funny how Islamic teachings were DERIVED from earlier Jewish&Christian teachings.
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2003, 12:03:56 PM »
Why don't Christians condemn what Bush has done.  Atleast the Pope and the Catholic Church did.
 

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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2003, 01:46:34 PM »
Why don't Christians condemn what Bush has done.  Atleast the Pope and the Catholic Church did.

Catholics are Christians, dummy. But anyway, I am Catholic and I will condemn Bush for you.

George W. Bush.....how dare you liberate the people of Iraq from the most oppressive, murderous dictator in the world. How dare you remove a regime that killed millions of innocent people, tortured all  opposition, and used chemical weapons against thousands of his own people. HOW DARE YOU GEORGE! Don't you know that the world was much better of with a man like Saddam Hussein in power, oppressing all of his people and threatening all other countries in the region.

There, you happy?
 

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Re:Muslim Terrorists Are Infiltrating The US Military
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 01:49:18 PM »


I agree with you, he does. But to some people like CWalker, this means a whole 'nother thing. He generalizes the whole religion, and goes on to say that the religion is actually what teaches this. Funny how Islamic teachings were DERIVED from earlier Jewish&Christian teachings.

I don't care what a religion teaches, I care what followers of that religion PRACTICE. Even if the Koran preached love and tolerance (which it doesn't), that wouldn't mean shit since so many Muslims are commiting terrorist acts or at least sympathizing with people who commit those acts.

 

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 04:40:03 PM »
You idiot. You're obviously missing the whole fucking point here. You say Muslim commit these acts; my point is why the fuck label him by his religion. What the fuck does the person's religion have to do with it? Ok, so the terrorist is a Muslim. Does that right away mean that Islam teaches the subjects to do that. Then why aren't 1 billion people committing these acts. That's why I brought up the Christian White Terrorists such as Bush, Hitler, etc. You're one ignorant retard to think that a religion would teach to kill. I'm sorry to find you with so much self-hatred that you reflect that hate upon other people and blame them for your problems.
 

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 04:40:50 PM »
You idiot. You're obviously missing the whole fucking point here. You say Muslim commit these acts; my point is why the fuck label him by his religion. What the fuck does the person's religion have to do with it? Ok, so the terrorist is a Muslim. Does that right away mean that Islam teaches the subjects to do that. Then why aren't 1 billion people committing these acts. That's why I brought up the Christian White Terrorists such as Bush, Hitler, etc. You're one ignorant retard to think that a religion would teach to kill. I'm sorry to find you with so much self-hatred that you reflect that hate upon other people and blame them for your problems.
 

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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 09:22:37 PM »
Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.

Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.

Those fucks don't have support except from their tiny group of degenerates.

Osama bin laden and his militant version of Islam have wide support across the middle east and he is viewed as a "Folk Hero" in the Muslim world.

Thats the difference.




Do u know how many people still look at Hitler as a hero? So if u worship the same religion as those people...then of course, according to what u say, youre the same as them, right? U cant pick and chose, just to suit yur interests. If its good for one side, its good for the other. If being a Muslim makes u a terrorist, then bein Christian makes u a Klansman. Fair?

No, it's not fair.

The Catholic Church and Hundreds of thousands of christian religious leaders have condemed what Hitler did. He has no support from anybody outside of a few thousand crackpots who claim express their hatred through religion. Nearly all of the christan chrurch denounces these individuals and makes it well know that they do not represent their religion.

I can't say the same about Islam.
Here is an editorial from the New York Post that makes my point very clear:

"Muslims love Bin Laden
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
October 22, 2001
What do Muslims think of Osama bin Laden?

Ask Westerners and you'll hear how marginal he is. President Bush says bin Laden represents a "fringe form of Islamic extremism . . . rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics." American specialists on Islam agree. "Osama bin Laden is to Islam like Timothy McVeigh is to Christianity," says Mark Juergensmeyer of the University of California. Karen Armstrong, author of a bestselling book about Islam, reports that the "vast majority of Muslims . . . are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11."

Well, that "vast majority" is well hidden and awfully quiet, if it even exists. With the exception of one government-staged anti-bin Laden demonstration in Pakistan and very few prominent Islamic scholars, hardly anyone publicly denounces him. The only Islamic scholar in Egypt who unreservedly condemns the Sept. 11 suicide operations admits he is completely isolated.

American officials are still waiting for Muslim politicians to speak up. "It'd be nice if some leaders came out and said that the idea the United States is targeting Islam is absurd," notes one U.S. diplomat.They don't because the Muslim world is bursting with adulation for the Saudi militant.

* "Long live bin Laden" shout 5,000 demonstrators in the southern Philippines.

* In Pakistan, bin Laden's face sells merchandise and massive street rallies have left two persons dead. Ten thousand march in the capitals of Bangladesh and Indonesia.

* In northern Nigeria, bin Laden has (according to Reuters) "achieved iconic status" and his partisans set off religious riots leading to 200 deaths.

* Pro-bin Laden demonstrations took place even in Mecca, where overt political activism is unheard of.

Everywhere, The Washington Post reports, Muslims cheer bin Laden on "with almost a single voice." The Internet buzzes with odes to him as a man "of solid faith and power of will." A Saudi explains that "Osama is a very, very, very, very good Muslim." A Kenyan adds: "Every Muslim is Osama bin Laden." "Osama is not an individual, but a name of a holy war," reads a banner in Kashmir. In perhaps the most extravagant statement, one Pakistani declared that "Bin Laden is Islam. He represents Islam." In France, Muslim youths chant bin Laden's name as they throw rocks at non-Muslims.

Palestinians are especially enamoured. According to Hussam Khadir, a member of Arafat's Fatah party, "Bin Laden today is the most popular figure in the West Bank and Gaza, second only to Arafat." A 10-year-old girl announces that she loves him like a father. Nor is she alone. "Everybody loves Osama bin Laden at this time. He is the most righteous man in the whole world," declares a Palestinian woman. A Palestinian Authority policeman calls him "the greatest man in the world & our Messiah" even as he (reluctantly) disperses students who march in solidarity with the Saudi.

Survey research helps us understand these sentiments. In the Palestinian Authority, a Bir Zeit poll found that 26 percent of Palestinians consider the Sept. 11 attacks consistent with Islamic law. In Pakistan, a Gallup found a nearly identical 24 percent reaching this conclusion.

Even those who consider the attacks an act of terrorism (64 percent of both Palestinians and Pakistanis) show respect for these as acts of political defiance and technical prowess. "Of course we're upset that so many died in New York. But at the same time, we're in awe of what happened," said a young Cairene woman.

An online survey of Indonesians found 50 percent seeing bin Laden as a "justice fighter" and 35 percent a terrorist. More broadly, I estimate that bin Laden enjoys the emotional support of half the Muslim world.

That America's politicans and experts on Islam insist on seeing bin Laden as an isolated McVeigh-like figure is worrisome; they miss the danger that bin Laden's militant Islam poses to existing governments - perhaps their greatest challenge of recent times. Their fear of him goes far to explain why the authorities so heavily discourage pro-bin Laden sentiments (forbidding posters of him, arresting militant Islamic leaders, blocking street gatherings, closing schools and universities, patrolling streets with loaded machine guns, and even shooting demonstrators).

The wide and deep Muslim enthusiasm for bin Laden is an extremely important development that needs to be understood, not ignored."


^this proves what? Its an editorial....from the New York Post. lol

All this proves, is that people cannot seperate religion and politics..when it comes to religions that they dont like. Alot of "muslim" countries, dont like America...for political reasons. But no one here wants to face that fact...because it might make US look bad. So, we take the easy way out...and just blame it on their religion. Much better for us, then to shine light on our political practices in other countries that might be wrong. But wait, i forgot...America can never be wrong. lol