Happy Columbus Day!!!!

[Trauma-san]

Cwalker, there's people like us, and there's people like them.  People like us usually don't hang out on hiphop boards, so I find solace in knowing that their views are in the minority, just think the entire heartland of America is conservative!

[Don Jacob]

the man was a huge a-whole when you look back at the real history. but again you got to give it up for him for quasi-discovering this region .

[M Dogg™]

Cwalker, there's people like us, and there's people like them.  People like us usually don't hang out on hiphop boards, so I find solace in knowing that their views are in the minority, just think the entire heartland of America is conservative!

Yeah... most of voting America feels like that. The cool part is that in a few years, most of voting America will be Latinos... so both parties better try and figure out how to get those votes.

[Don Jacob]

Cwalker, there's people like us, and there's people like them.  People like us usually don't hang out on hiphop boards, so I find solace in knowing that their views are in the minority, just think the entire heartland of America is conservative!

Yeah... most of voting America feels like that. The cool part is that in a few years, most of voting America will be Latinos... so both parties better try and figure out how to get those votes.

i hate to keep correcting you in posts , but latinos don't show up in huge numbers to vote.

[.:DayGoStyLz:.]

the man was a huge a-whole when you look back at the real history. but again you got to give it up for him for quasi-discovering this region .

yah i give him credit for being brave, inna time where there was an "edge" to the world. But, he isnt a "hero" like people seem tah think...

[M Dogg™]

Columbus was not that much of a hero. He never  knew he came to the American continue, even at death. People have known the world was round since the Ancient Greeks, who figured this out though math and astronomy, and vikings have been trading with tribes in Canada for centries before Columbus came this way. The only difference is that Columbus promised lots of gold and spices, which he never delievered, and was jailed for lying to the king and queen of Spain. His place in history is questionable, but for those that admire him, that's cool, ever one has to have a hero. Hell, people look up to Hitler, and both are responsible for attemped genocite. So whatever.

[Trauma-san]

Yeah, I guess you're right.  Of course, some people claim to be christian but are openly homosexual.  So I guess everybody is a fucking hypocrite.  

[UnstoppableForce]

Yeah, I guess you're right.  Of course, some people claim to be christian but are openly homosexual.  So I guess everybody is a fucking hypocrite.  

Mauzip, please elaborate on this for us. This may be the one time in TOT where you might actually have something to add.

[Woodrow]

Columbus Day: A Time to Celebrate

By Michael S. Berliner, Ph.D.
 
Columbus day approaches, but to the “politically correct” this is no cause for celebration. On the contrary, they view the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1492 as an occasion to be mourned. They have mourned, they have attacked, and they have intimidated schools across the country into replacing Columbus Day celebrations with “ethnic diversity” days.
     
The politically correct view is that Columbus did not discover America, because people had lived here for thousands of years. Worse yet, it’s claimed, the main legacy of Columbus is death and destruction. Columbus is routinely vilified as a symbol of slavery and genocide, and the celebration of his arrival likened to a celebration of Hitler and the Holocaust. The attacks on Columbus are ominous, because the actual target is Western civilization.
     
Did Columbus “discover” America? Yes--in every important respect. This does not mean that no human eye had been cast on America before Columbus arrived. It does mean that Columbus brought America to the attention of the civilized world, i.e., to the growing, scientific civilizations of Western Europe. The result, ultimately, was the United States of America. It was Columbus’ discovery for Western Europe that led to the influx of ideas and people on which this nation was founded--and on which it still rests. The opening of America brought the ideas and achievements of Aristotle, Galileo, Newton, and the thousands of thinkers, writers, and inventors who followed.
     
Prior to 1492, what is now the United States was sparsely inhabited, unused, and undeveloped. The inhabitants were primarily hunter/gatherers, wandering across the land, living from hand to mouth and from day to day. There was virtually no change, no growth for thousands of years. With rare exception, life was nasty, brutish, and short: there was no wheel, no written language, no division of labor, little agriculture and scant permanent settlement; but there were endless, bloody wars. Whatever the problems it brought, the vilified Western culture also brought enormous, undreamed-of benefits, without which most of today’s Indians would be infinitely poorer or not even alive.
     
Columbus should be honored, for in so doing, we honor Western civilization. But the critics do not want to bestow such honor, because their real goal is to denigrate the values of Western civilization and to glorify the primitivism, mysticism, and collectivism embodied in the tribal cultures of American Indians. They decry the glorification of the West as “Eurocentrism.” We should, they claim, replace our reverence for Western civilization with multi-culturalism, which regards all cultures as morally equal. In fact, they aren’t.
     
Some cultures are better than others: a free society is better than slavery; reason is better than brute force as a way to deal with other men; productivity is better than stagnation. In fact, Western civilization stands for man at his best. It stands for the values that make human life possible: reason, science, self-reliance, individualism, ambition, productive achievement. The values of Western civilization are values for all men; they cut across gender, ethnicity, and geography. We should honor Western civilization not for the ethnocentric reason that some of us happen to have European ancestors but because it is the objectively superior culture.
     
Underlying the political collectivism of the anti-Columbus crowd is a racist view of human nature. They claim that one’s identity is primarily ethnic: if one thinks his ancestors were good, he will supposedly feel good about himself; if he thinks his ancestors were bad, he will supposedly feel self-loathing. But it doesn’t work; the achievements or failures of one’s ancestors are monumentally irrelevant to one’s actual worth as a person. Only the lack of a sense of self leads one to look to others to provide what passes for a sense of identity. Neither the deeds nor misdeeds of others are his own; he can take neither credit nor blame for what someone else chose to do. There are no racial achievements or racial failures, only individual achievements and individual failures. One cannot inherit moral worth or moral vice. “Self-esteem through others” is a self-contradiction.
     
Thus the sham of “preserving one’s heritage” as a rational life goal. Thus the cruel hoax of “multicultural education” as an antidote to racism: it will continue to create more racism.
     
Individualism is the only alternative to the racism of political correctness. We must recognize that everyone is a sovereign entity, with the power of choice and independent judgment. That is the ultimate value of Western civilization, and it should be proudly proclaimed.

[M Dogg™]

As a Native to this land, I will say onething, Europeans coming here and killing us was going to happen someday. Through out history, Europeans do that, so, if you want to celebrate one of you fellow Europeans that did just that, then fine. Go right ahead, but lets make a holiday for Malcom X too, after all, he fought for black power, and he was for the advancement of whole communites, and expanding western civilization benefits to all people of color. Let us celebrat Malcom X day, a great leader, so what if he thought blacks were better than whites, Columbus think Europeans were better than Native Americans is no difference.

[Real American]

Mexicans are native to Minnesota?

[PinkTowelGirl]

Mexicans are native to Minnesota?

M Dogg goes by Mexican American.. becuase thats what his mom is.... i hate the bitch... so i go by what my grandmother raised me as... and that is Native American....

[M Dogg™]

Mexicans are native to Minnesota?

Europeans are native to the United States?

It don't matter if I go by Mexican American, or Native American, I'm a native to the Americans. I can't be a wetback, my great-great-grandparents came through land, and people are always moving from land to land through out history. I mean, Jewish people traveled from Egypt to by the 20th century Russia. Greeks populated most the Middle East, hell Europeans always travel amoung other European countries. Also, Mexica, or commonly know as Aztecs, are originally from Texas. They traveled to Mexico looking for a place to settle, and found an eagle with a snake in his mouth, standing on a catus in the middle of a lake. That's something that doesn't happen everyday, so they took that as a sign and settled there. So when whites call Mexicans wetbacks, they must realize we never traveled across water to get here, but Europeans came across an ocean, so who is the true wetback.

[UnstoppableForce]

So when whites call Mexicans wetbacks, they must realize we never traveled across water to get here, but Europeans came across an ocean, so who is the true wetback.

  That's good thinking

[Casper]

So when whites call Mexicans wetbacks, they must realize we never traveled across water to get here, but Europeans came across an ocean, so who is the true wetback.

my mom told me something similar a while ago