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Let me clear it up for you guys.http://a1022.g.akamai.net/f/1022/8158/5m/images.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2003-10/10004022.pdfThe fires in San Benardino were started by 2 arsonist. The fires in San Diego was started by a hunter who set a signal fire to find his partner/car with water. Cedar fire in San Diego is the largest most destructive fire in California. San Diego has been the worst hit.Cedar fire is 45 miles wide Daygostylz it wasn't a flare they changed the story...he just set a fire [Sergio Martinez of West Covina].San Diego is the bottom fire. Simi Valley top left and San Bernardino top right.There are some flames in Mexico too.
We lucky the Santa Ana winds died and the winds shifted back from West to East. Too bad for East San Diego but it was gonna be us or them and we are way more populated than they are.
is there any time frame for when they think the fires will be out
well, Old Fire, the one that started in San Bernardino, is now 10% contained, but is still not contained in the mountains. Right now Arrowhead, the place of million dollar homes in next.Lake Arrowhead fire rages onBy Evan LaGasse and David Schwartz, Staff WritersLAKE ARROWHEAD - Walls of flames fueled by thousands of tinder-dry and diseased trees ripped out-of-control through San Bernardino Mountains resort communities Wednesday destroying dozens of homes and forcing evacuations of thousands of more residents.Turned into eerie ghost towns lurking apprehensively under a pall of smoke, the alpine towns waited helplessly Wednesday in the path of the seemingly unstoppable Old Fire.On its quest for fuel and pushed by ocean-borne southwesterly wind gusts up to 25 mph, the 200-foot tall wall of fire advanced into Lake Arrowhead, the resort town's 9,000 full-time residents evacuated and only weary firefighters arrayed against the flames.An actual number of homes lost in Lake Arrowhead was unavailable but by early afternoon six homes had been destroyed in Cedar Glen on the west end of the lake. The arson-caused Old Fire, which exploded into life Saturday morning just outside San Bernardino's city limits and roaded into the mountains above, had consumed more than 28,000 acres of brush and forest land, more than 500 homes and was only 10 percent contained and shows no signs of abating.Four deaths have been blamed on the fire and the cost of fighting the fire was estimated at $3.7 million. More than 2,000 firefighters are battling the blaze.Tom Sherman of the Bureau of Land Management said the fire is the worst, ``by tenfold,'' he's seen in his 40-year career including the Bear Fire of 1970 and the Panorama Fire of 1980.It represents the worst possible conditions for all three factors in firefighting: topography, air and fuel, he said.The fuel is the acres of dead and dying trees caused by the bark beetle infestation and ``four, five, six years of drought,'' Sherman said.The air was estimated at about 10 percent humidity Wednesday morning, just the type of dry atmosphere fires thrive in.The terrain is mountainous on all fronts, providing the incline for the fire to spread itself over a large amount of ground in a short amount of time.Predictions of a 40 percent chance of rain by Friday were cited as a cause for some hope.Overnight, the wildfire jumped Cajon Pass and moved toward Summit Valley and Hesperia on one front, while its back end continued to devastate the mountains, hovering dangerously close to Running Springs and Green Valley Lake after making its way up Highway 18.Firefighters on both fronts were forced to watch trees and brush go up in flames, resorting only to saving structures as the fire burned out of control.``We have a defensive strategy because there's no way we can fight 15 miles of flame,'' said U.S. Forest Service Division Supervisor Marty Hamel as he waited for the fire to arrive at the corner of Highway 138 and Summit Valley road in an unincorporated area near Hesperia.Bulldozers took out large areas of vegetation at the site in an attempt to create a buffer between the fire and a local gas station while other firefighters waited to employ their full arsenal of hoses and foam to push the fire past the station's pumps, propane tanks and trucks.By early afternoon, homes were burning in the mountain community of Cedarpines Park.``There's fire on so many fronts, it's not even manageable at this point,'' said Chris Cade, a Forest Service fire prevention technician, as he watched a pillar of smoke he estimated at 9,000 feet rise into a hazy sky thick with ash. ``I am at a loss what you can do about it.''The toll for all Southern California fires stood at 17 people dead, more than 620,000 acres burned and 1,800 homes destroyed. More than 12,000 firefighters and support crew were fighting what Gov. Gray Davis said may be the worst and costliest disaster California has ever faced. He estimated the cost at $2 billion so far.Fire officials said that of all the dozen Southern California fires, they saw the most danger in the San Bernardino Mountains.By Wednesday, the Old Fire threatened 50,000 homes, 80,000 outbuildings, and 2,000 businesses, all worth $10 billion, according to the Old Fire incident report.But the fire so far has received fewer resources.It was a seemingly random mix of untouched buildings, such as Rim of the World High School in Lake Arrowhead, and the ashy shells of other structures ravaged by fire.``They've been going about every direction imaginable tonight,'' said Hamel of the wildfire's unpredictable flames.Despite the relief provided by agencies throughout California and other states, crews were still spread thin, many personnel working 12- to 18-hour shifts and even 24 hour shifts.Almost all the emergency workers looked exhausted, fighting back yawns and going on adrenaline.``It's gonna be a while,'' Sherman said. ``It's gonna be up to Mother Nature.''As firefighters brought smaller blazes under control in other parts of Southern California, officials promised Wednesday that hundreds more firefighters would be dispatched to beleaguered mountain communities as the Old Fire became Southern California's most dangerous.``All new resources, any new resources, will be put to the Old Fire,'' said Larry Benson, spokesman with the Southern Operations Coordination Center in Riverside.Firefighters had contained five Southern California fires early Wednesday; eight still burned out of control.When fires are controlled, crews are diverted through the Southern Operations Coordination Center to the most dangerous fires, measured by danger to human life and property.About 2,175 firefighters from state, county and local governments were battling the Old Fire. About 1,569 people were battling the Grand Prix Fire.The Cedar Fire in San Diego, which had torched 233,000 acres, had 3,330 fire personnel fighting it. Early Wednesday, that fire threatened 21,000 buildings.``At one point in time, (the Cedar Fire) was our No. 1 priority,'' Benson said. ``Since it moved into more undeveloped land, it's dropped in threat potential.''Bill Peters, spokesman with the California Department of Forestry, based in San Bernardino, was called out to fight the Simi Incident in Los Angeles County.He said that no fires had as many personnel on them as officials wanted.``Ten major fires at the same time stretches the pool very thin,'' Peters said. ``It really taxes our resources.''Meanwhile in San Bernardino, where the Old Fire consumed more than 300 homes inside the city over the weekend, Cal State San Bernardino reopened Wednesday.The school closed Saturday after the fire destroyed a temporary building containing five classrooms. The fire did not burn any major structures on campus and there were no injuries, but the campus was evacuated.A charred rectangle of earth marking the site of the lost building was roped off with orange netting. Students checked lists to see where classes had relocated. They swapped evacuation stories and chatted with worried friends on their cell phones.Before reopening, buildings, classrooms and residence halls were cleaned and deodorized, air filters changed and cleaned and fire alarms reset. But, students said, the smell of smoke lingered.Although not damaged, the children's center remained closed for cleaning but was expected to reopen Thursday.The Associated Press and staff writers Leigh Muzslay and Joe Nelson contributed to this report.
yeah, Old Fire is actually really small compare to the one in San Diego, but it high a heavy populated area first, and it's the most expensive right now in terms of damage. L A Times has a huge article about the stand off in Arrowhead. San Diego though is in huge danger, as at any moment, the fire could go into San Diego, and take out the whole city, that's how big that fire is, it's burned way more than the others, and is in Mexico too now.
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