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Nation of Islam isn't what ya'll think
« on: July 03, 2002, 10:27:12 PM »
Yo, this goes for the Muslims at the board.

I was unaware until recently, and I don't think most of ya'll know this.

But the Nation of Islam has gone away from teaching that Fard Muhammad is Allah and that Elijah Muhammad is the last prophet, they, recently, under the direction of Farakkan have fallen in line with traditional Islam in believing in Allah, the Creator, and in Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (600 AD) as the seal of prophets.

I attend a mosque now, for the American Muslim Society, the leader of the American Muslims is Wallace Muhammad, who is Elijah Muhammad's son, and was Malcolm X's best friend, and him and Malcolm led the conversion of 10's of thousands of Muslims away from the Nation and into traditional Islam.  Wallace is still alive and very active with Islam, both here and oversee's, he is our leader here in America.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2002, 04:10:02 AM »
It's good to hear that they've finally got off the Elijah Muhammad bullshit.  A real conman par exellence there.
 

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2002, 07:10:42 AM »
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It's good to hear that they've finally got off the Elijah Muhammad bullshit.  A real conman par exellence there.


Elijah Muhammad is largely responsible for converting 10's of thousands of black men to Islam, many of whom, had ancestors in Africa who were Muslims before the slave trade.

And who in America has done more to reshape the intellectual and moral conditioning of the poor in America?  Who?  You can not name anyone who has done more with the poor, people who nobody cared about, living on the streets, drug attics, drug sellers, pimps, prostitutes, thiefs, his organization had the power and strength to convert the worst of society into the greatest of society, just look at Malcolm X.

Elijah Muhammad has his faults, namely the Malcolm X situation and his perversion of Islam, but I still give him a great deal of respect.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2002, 08:17:37 AM »
My point was he was not a prophet, and that's something Malcolm X himself realised, and it's good that the NOI have changed their stance on that matter.

They are still currently endemically racist , but that's another story.
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Re: Nation of Islam isn't what ya'll think
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2002, 02:11:16 PM »
Fard Muhammad was an Asian, who brought Islam to black people in America, it was taught in a different way to bring dignity to black people by establishing a closer connection between them and God.  Elijah Muhammad, was one of his best students, and Elijah once asked Fard, "Are you the second coming of the Messiah described in the Bible" and Fard said, "After I leave, you can teach them anything you want, but they aren't ready for that now."

After Fard mysteriously left the country, Elijah began teaching that he was a reincarnation of the prophet Elijah in the Bible and Fard's messenger, and that Fard was God- a reincarnation of Jesus Christ.  And to black people at that time, he was, he saved their lifes, Fard was like a savior to them.
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Re: Nation of Islam isn't what ya'll think
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2002, 08:01:27 AM »
You really have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2002, 01:26:50 PM »
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You really have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)


LOL hahaha...he knows moreabout anything to do with muslims and Islam then anyone on this board..peace
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2002, 08:35:20 PM »
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LOL hahaha...he knows moreabout anything to do with muslims and Islam then anyone on this board..peace

an u know this 4 a fact ::)
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2002, 03:18:05 PM »
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You really have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)


If your so knowledgeable on the subject maybe you could enlighten me with your probing intellect, otherwise shut the fuck up you fucking faggot ass hating piece of shit.  If you knew anything you would of said it, but since you don't you make a smartass comment with a hidden barb, but you can't hide your moral and intellectual incompetence.  If you want to be real, and drop some knowledge, then by all means enlighten me, and we can go toe to toe, I'll even cite all my sources, however you want it sugar.. you ain't shit but a fucking nerdy ass kid with a computer who is starving for attention.
 

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Re: Nation of Islam isn't what ya'll think
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2002, 05:27:22 PM »
A guy named "God body" postin in a thread about REAL muslims


ironic isnt it?


anyways , Infini, thanks for the info, im glad to hear that about the nation, i admire the NOI alot


Farakhan's in Iraq now isnt he, tryin to stop a war that the American Establishment will create anyways
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2002, 09:05:23 PM »
ya'll dont know who godbody is.

i suggest you find out who ur speaking to before jumping the gun.

godbody = Damon X, above the laws road manager. he also a teacher.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2002, 06:18:26 AM »
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ya'll dont know who godbody is.

i suggest you find out who ur speaking to before jumping the gun.

godbody = Damon X, above the laws road manager. he also a teacher.


Just because he's above the laws road manager doesn't mean he knows even as much as the first pillar of Islam.  If this discussion was about Ruthless Records, then you'd have a point.  But your comparing apples to oranges.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2002, 06:34:05 AM »
And "Godbody" reffers to a member of the 5 % Nation
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2002, 06:40:15 AM »
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And "Godbody" reffers to a member of the 5 % Nation

And yo Godbody-

About the Five Percent Nation.

Started by former Black Muslim Clearence X Jowers as an offshoot of the teachings of Fard Muhammad.  Taught that black man was god.  That 85% of blacks were ignorant.  10% had knowledge but kept it to themselves.  And only 5% were the true teachers of society.  Dogg, I can go into great detail about that as well, if your a for real Five Percenter then you should be able to school me homie.  

Let's here it dogg.... come on, you always got something smartass to say homie, well, let's here something real, but you ain't got nothing real to say, cause your a dickridin' ass muthafucka, who sucks Above the Laws dick everyday so you can be their roadie on tour and then get to sleep with some groupies at shows.  Dogg, you ain't even really their road manager anyway.  Fuck all that.  I'm ghost, much props to my homeboy Tech.  1 G-d.
 

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2002, 12:31:26 PM »
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And yo Godbody-

About the Five Percent Nation.

Started by former Black Muslim Clearence X Jowers as an offshoot of the teachings of Fard Muhammad.  Taught that black man was god.  That 85% of blacks were ignorant.  10% had knowledge but kept it to themselves.  And only 5% were the true teachers of society.  Dogg, I can go into great detail about that as well, if your a for real Five Percenter then you should be able to school me homie.  

Let's here it dogg.... come on, you always got something smartass to say homie, well, let's here something real, but you ain't got nothing real to say, cause your a dickridin' ass muthafucka, who sucks Above the Laws dick everyday so you can be their roadie on tour and then get to sleep with some groupies at shows.  Dogg, you ain't even really their road manager anyway.  Fuck all that.  I'm ghost, much props to my homeboy Tech.  1 G-d.



Now it's strange that your ass has to resort to name calling and you are reciting sources from a website or a book. One since you have never been in the Nation Of Islam/5% Nation Of Gods and Earths (see you don't even know the right terminology stupid ass). You really have no ideal what you are talking about you are just going by second hand information.
Also dumb ass Father Allah as he is known to his followers in the Nation Of Gods and Earths. His government/slave name is Clarence (not clearence, dumb ass)Smith. When he joined the Nation Of Islam in NYC he was known as Clarence 13X Smith.

Now if you think you can go in great detail about the 5% Nation Of Gods and Earths and/or Nation Of Islam then you can answer these two very simple questions:
1.Why is the Blackman referred to as GOD? GOD of what/whom?
2. Who was the original author of the 120?

See I can debate with you or anyone else, because I am a member of The Lost-Found Nation Of Islam/5% Nation Of Gods and Earths. I have also studied extensively in the Shiite doctrine, having studieds up under an Imam of WarithDeen Muhammad and under Minister Farrakhan in Chicago and the late Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad. So I'm well rounded in Islam. In order to have a thought-provoking debate with you, which you would surely lose, I'm only going to bother with those who are open minded and on a similiar level. It's obvious finite that just based on your errors you don't even have your facts correct. See I as being GOD when doing my duty, I have to do it right and exact. So you already came at me with malice and vengence over the internet might I add and you are already in the wrong. Also STUPID ASS 85% of the earth's population, not Black people as a segment of a population are deaf, dumb, and blind, slaves of mental death and power.

Now it's no secret that those who choose to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are in total disagreement of the teachings of Islam as taught by the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad and through the off-shoot teachings of Father Allah of the 5% Nation Of Gods and Earths.

And Overseer I am a teacher a POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHER. So don't get it confused with a school teacher.
So if anyone wants to have a debate and to prove that the teachings of The Messenger Elijah Muhammad is wrong, FIRST make sure you have ACTUAL FACTS FROM CREDITED SOURCES. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROVE THE NOI WRONG USE NOI RESOURCES, NOT SECOND HAND INFO FROM FOLKS WHO HAVE NO DEAL OF RESPECT FOR WHAT MUHAMMAD AND FARRAKHAN HAS DONE. BECAUSE NO OTHER ISLAMIC LEADER HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT THESE TWO BLACKMAN HAVE DONE FOR OVER 70 YEARS.

AND FINITE, CAUSE YOU ARE ONLY INFINITE IN IGNORANCE DON'T BOTHER REPLYING IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS, SO YOU BETTER DO SOME DIGGING OR FIND SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU...........

LIKE I SAID YOU HAVE NO IDEAL WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ??? AND I'M NOT YOUR HOMIE ::)


oh and i'm no longer a road manager, but co-manager of Above The Law, if I'm not then finite, prove it. but how can I not be, but you claim I'm suckin' ATL's dick?


I wouldn't be surprised if you are a Caucasian Jew. In fact I think you are one. I won't even go into detail how Caucasian Jews are not direct decendants of the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) the true  and only "jew" Hebrews are African not some Ashkanzi's from Europe.
 

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Elijah Muhammad is largely responsible for converting 10's of thousands of black men to Islam, many of whom, had ancestors in Africa who were Muslims before the slave trade.

And who in America has done more to reshape the intellectual and moral conditioning of the poor in America?  Who?  You can not name anyone who has done more with the poor, people who nobody cared about, living on the streets, drug attics, drug sellers, pimps, prostitutes, thiefs, his organization had the power and strength to convert the worst of society into the greatest of society, just look at Malcolm X.

Elijah Muhammad has his faults, namely the Malcolm X situation and his perversion of Islam, but I still give him a great deal of respect.


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you ain't shit but a fucking nerdy ass kid with a computer who is starving for attention.



u just described urself homie!!!
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2002, 09:37:26 AM »
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And Overseer I am a teacher a POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHER. So don't get it confused with a school teacher.


aiight... i know P.R.T. is a 5%r thing.. but didn't u say you taught part-time on tha row forum?
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2002, 06:30:45 PM »
You win this argument/debate whatever it is.  I'm not a 5%.  I'm an orthodox Muslim.   So I could only hope that you would know more about the 5 percent nation then me, just like I would know more then you about traditional Islam.

You came at me with disrespect from the jump, and I transgressed likewise against you. Now the argument ends.

I can answer one of your questions.

The 5%'s call themselves Gods not in the same sense that Muslims think of Allah as a God, because 5% believe that religion is an instrument used to gain advantage through a false and invisible entity.

5%'s call themselves Gods because they believe that the black man was the Earth's first people, as taught by Master Fard Muhammad, and that the Asian family and Black are one in the same/Asiatics, and that the white race is seperate and a poison to the Asiatic race and rulers of the world.  That the black man is the Earth's first and last people, that is why ya'll call eachother God's, and because the energy that exists in you is the energy of "God" and through eachother the God energy manifests itself.  Atom or Adam the first man, energy, in atoms exists in man, etc., etc.
 

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2002, 01:49:51 AM »
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You win this argument/debate whatever it is.  I'm not a 5%.  I'm an orthodox Muslim.   So I could only hope that you would know more about the 5 percent nation then me, just like I would know more then you about traditional Islam.

You came at me with disrespect from the jump, and I transgressed likewise against you. Now the argument ends.

I can answer one of your questions.

The 5%'s call themselves Gods not in the same sense that Muslims think of Allah as a God, because 5% believe that religion is an instrument used to gain advantage through a false and invisible entity.

5%'s call themselves Gods because they believe that the black man was the Earth's first people, as taught by Master Fard Muhammad, and that the Asian family and Black are one in the same/Asiatics, and that the white race is seperate and a poison to the Asiatic race and rulers of the world.  That the black man is the Earth's first and last people, that is why ya'll call eachother God's, and because the energy that exists in you is the energy of "God" and through eachother the God energy manifests itself.  Atom or Adam the first man, energy, in atoms exists in man, etc., etc.



WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN' ABOUT? HAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU ARE STILL IN INCORRECT. AND HOW DID I COME AT YOU IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY IDIOT? ALL I SAID IS THAT Y AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAME AT ME IN A DISPRESPECTFUL WAY IS THAT HOW WARITHDEEN TEACHES YOU TO DEFEND HIS INTERPRETATION OF AL ISLAM? CHECK YOURSELF MUTHAFUCKA.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKIN' ABOUT. JUST LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE NATION OF ISLAM.
THE NATION OF ISLAM HAS NEVER FALLEN IN LINE WITH SO-CALLED TRADITIONAL ISLAM. WE STILL KNOW THAT GOD IS A TRUE AND LIVING MAN IN THE PERSONAGE OF WD FARD MUHMMAD AND THAT THE MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHAMMAD IS THE LAST MESSENGER OF ALLAH.

AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SO-CALLED ORTHODOX ISLAM, THEN I'LL CHECK YOU ON THAT TOO. I'VE BEEN AN ARDENT FOLLOWER AND STUDENT OF AL ISLAM FOR OVER 15 YEARS, SO IF YOU WANT TO BE CHECKED ON AL ISLAM AS WELL WE CAN DO THIS, BUT SINCE YOU TALK MORE SHIT AND KNOW SO LITTLE, NEXT TIME SPEAK ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT, NOT WHAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE INFO ON.

ALLAH INDEED IS THE BEST OF KNOWERS
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2002, 08:22:08 AM »
^^ This thread is exactly why I don't post here anymore.  Nothing but disrespect for peoples beliefs, unbelievable the amount of negativity.  What kind of jackass argues about how he's smarter than someone else, especially when it comes to religion?  Incredible.  ^^
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2002, 09:01:15 AM »
yeah i know..  ::)
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2002, 09:23:07 AM »
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You really have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)


^^^^ That isn't disrespect?

This fuckin 5% needs a fuckin reality check.  He thinks he's God, but he didn't create shit.  Fard Muhammad was more white then he was black.  You ever seen a picture of him?  The dude is white.  One of his parents was white.  That's a fuckin fact.  He even copped to that.  

He taught you all this religious dogma to get black people out of the fuckin gutter, and for that, he deserves all the props in the world.  While studying religion in the US, Fard Muhammad saw in black people the most shameful, fanatical, fawning, sychopantic love for whites, which ironically in turn sublimated that energy into the most grueling, agonizing, total hatred for whites.

There is a great danger in teaching young ignorant black kids that they are God.  It feels you up with pride, and unless you have a solid religious foundation based on the five pillars, you'll become so grossly garbed in pride and arrogance, that you'll be disrespectful, racist, prejudice, without even realizing it.  

And if Farrakan hasn't began teaching that the 600 BC Muhammad was the Creator's seal of prophets, then he is talking out of two sides of his mouth, because that is what he told the public.


 

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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2002, 09:25:51 AM »
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^^ This thread is exactly why I don't post here anymore.  Nothing but disrespect for peoples beliefs, unbelievable the amount of negativity.  What kind of jackass argues about how he's smarter than someone else, especially when it comes to religion?  Incredible.  ^^


If your so disgusted by this forum then why do you come here?  

I'll tell you why, you want to change your life..... you so desperately wish you had more to do with your life, and that the world was actually the way you believe that it is, and you are terribly mistaken on both accounts.
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2002, 11:24:20 AM »
thats what Im sayin man

This 5%er cant be coming here disrespecting the Trues like that

we dont fall for that shit

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