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Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian state
« on: May 12, 2002, 03:08:54 PM »
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Tel Aviv, Israel — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Likud party voted early Monday to reject the creation of a Palestinian state, a major defeat for Mr. Sharon that he feared would increase international pressure on Israel and tie his hands in potential negotiations.

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and they call Arafat the obstacle to peace  ::)
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2002, 03:11:32 PM »
and they say sharon is a man of peace, what kinda shit is that? how the fuck are they gonna have peace when they wont let palestine have its own state, this shits just goin in circles
 

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2002, 04:19:14 PM »
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and they call Arafat the obstacle to peace  ::)




they're both idiots



i'm not dissing you tech or any of the other muslums here, i'm going to ask this question the friendliest way possible


but if sharon was a muslum and arafat was jewish and every thing that was happening now was still the same except for those two factors, do you think you'd be THIS harsh on Al Sharon and this leaniant on Arafag? i mean seriously don't bust sharons balls without busting arafats too


becuase BOTH ARE to blame and i have the same level of nonrespect for both of them, just becuase someone's a muslum doesn't mean they're automatically the ones in the right
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2002, 04:24:43 PM »
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they're both idiots



i'm not dissing you tech or any of the other muslums here, i'm going to ask this question the friendliest way possible


but if sharon was a muslum and arafat was jewish and every thing that was happening now was still the same except for those two factors, do you think you'd be THIS harsh on Al Sharon and this leaniant on Arafag? i mean seriously don't bust sharons balls without busting arafats too


becuase BOTH ARE to blame and i have the same level of nonrespect for both of them, just becuase someone's a muslum doesn't mean they're automatically the ones in the right


yeah i see what yor sayin there and feel ya, but when someones on your side and representin your people, you'd rather be on his side and try to make him look good. not all people but some do.... i think they both are fuckin up, but seriously, sharon is fuckin up on bigger shit than arafat, sharon has more power
 

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2002, 04:32:51 PM »
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yeah i see what yor sayin there and feel ya, but when someones on your side and representin your people, you'd rather be on his side and try to make him look good. not all people but some do.... i think they both are fuckin up, but seriously, sharon is fuckin up on bigger shit than arafat, sharon has more power



that's like me supporting that ac/dc fan for killing all those people  just becuase he was mexican....which is definately not right


true sharon is doing more damage, and does have more power, but arafat is doing a considerably great amount of damage with alot less power , which gots to make you think if arafat had just as much power ....would there be more damage on his side ? i think so
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2002, 04:36:08 PM »
i feel what you sayin Jake, but Im not an Arafat sympathezir, never have never will be one, i dont like em both, just like u,

but see in the media Arafat is painted as this terrorist, and nuthin is said of Sharon, so im just pointing out a fact here,
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2002, 04:39:23 PM »
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i feel what you sayin Jake, but Im not an Arafat sympathezir, never have never will be one, i dont like em both, just like u,

but see in the media Arafat is painted as this terrorist, and nuthin is said of Sharon, so im just pointing out a fact here,



in canada maybe, but since about February (maybe even sooner cuz i really don't watch the news on tv) or so most of the US media has put Sharon on the same neg. pedistool as arafat
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2002, 04:46:59 PM »
no way homie, arafat is potrayed MUCH more worse than Sharon, im just being the devils advocate thats all
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2002, 05:11:56 PM »
like i said, maybe in canada but everytime i pick up a paper or am forced to read one in school


'bakersfield calafornian'
"la times"
"washington post"


they're pretty much in the same boat from what i see

and everytime i flipe through the news channles i'm always seeing both sides....some dude supporting israel, some dude supporting paletstine, a moderate like you and I, and the host of the news show
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2002, 05:15:37 PM »
youre right about news shows, and how they always feat. debates

you're wrong about callin me a Moderate lol
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2002, 05:20:57 PM »
you just said you hate both didn't you? that makes you nuetral, unless you do have a bias to whoever happens to be the muslum in this whole thing
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2002, 05:24:19 PM »
am i neutral in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, fuck no

but yeah i do dislike Arafat and Sharon, but that dont mean im a moderate


see, if u found out 100% of my views, you would swear im a sword wielding Arab from Iraq, but see its the fact that i grew up in Canada, that you may see me as a moderate, simply cuz, i understand the AMerican/ Israeli perspective, which is something the "fanatics" dont
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2002, 05:30:33 PM »
rephrase that , what i got from that is that your not in the middle yet you are
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2002, 05:35:01 PM »
im not in the middle of the whole palestinian-israeli conflict,

i am pro-palestinian, however, i understand the american/israeli point of view, and growing up in Canada has unabled me to see things from your perspective.  which is why in some ways i agree with your side

ex. arafat is corrupt and inept

ya dig??
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2002, 05:39:08 PM »
ok i can see where your coming from now , but that's a little weird how you can say your blatently pro-palastine, but not support arrafat



are you just supporting the fact of palestine getting some land back and getting israeli troops out of pal.? but not agreeing with how palestien is trying to advance this?
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2002, 05:49:43 PM »
exactly my brother


i think suicide bombing is such a waste of young palestinians , future doctors and engineers, but i understand the frustration and desperation of them, due to the oppressed lives they are living,

i am in favour of peaceful negotiations, but armed resistance is needed if your life is being threatened

i dont want the death of Israel, i dont want to "drive the jews into the sea", i want 2 states living side by side, independant, not run by one another,

i want Jersualem, shared by Israeli Jews, and Palestinian muslims/christains,

i want a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, and i want all those settlements in gaza and the west bank as well as the one in E. Jerusalem


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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2002, 01:47:22 AM »
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and they say sharon is a man of peace, what kinda shit is that? how the fuck are they gonna have peace when they wont let palestine have its own state, this shits just goin in circles


I think bottom line is that Sharon represents the mindstate of alot of people, that Muslims are second rate citizens, with a second rate religion, and that their lifes are expendable.
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Re: Sharons party rejects concept of Palestinian s
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2002, 03:43:33 AM »
what tha LIKUDs majority"s vote meant was...that wit this

type of a leadership(terrorism supporting) of the  

autonomy....there is no way a Palestinian state can exist....

all that it is...

imagine this, if a palestinian state starts it"z existing, let"s

say tommorow, this is going to be a state that supports

terrorism...will have tha ability to contact, Syria,Iraq,Iran etc

(since it"s a state this won"t be tha regular contact it might

have had by now....but in weapon trade deals, formal

ones)....with the intention to destroy Israel...i don"t think

that many of tha pro palestinian peepz here remember what

Arfat said shortly after sIgning tha Oslo agreement...it was

somethin like this: "since we can'T defeat Israel in a phisical

WAR, this agreement is going be used to reach a higher

posision of effect on Israel....and is going to be a multi-

leveled tactic to bring Israel to distruction while using the

political force that will be given to us(due to the agreement)

along with power actions against Israel at tha same time

(terroristic actions for tha hard getters:))"....now you tell

me...how can someone, someone who has tha plan of

destroying Israel, calls millions of Shahids to come to

Jerusalem...and payes\phisiclly supports, terroristic actions

while simultanuaslly enjoying the political strength that was

given to him by formal agreements, how can this someone

be a leader of a state...  ?....and even if it wasn"t him...there

is no alternative that is completelly oposite to arafat in his

ways right now....this state will mean to Israel and to the

world a new Iraq,Iran etc...you have to be kidden" not to

realise that if Arafat really wanted a state he would have it

long time ago as well(the last camp david agreement, for

example)...so in fact he doesn"t even want a state as long as

Israel exists by it"s side....



i saw how some people say sharon has much more to be

blamed for...loughable(no offence) after this Itifaada...and

tha most generous offer ever...i dont know how anyone could

blame sharon for anythang besides trying to protect his

state  from distruction(btw...alow me to remind you that

sharon presented the pro palestinian state side on LIKUDs

debate yesterday)....so i really don"t get what some of the

people r saying here....it"s like blaming Bush for bombing

Afgan after september 11th...and don"t forget we had many

years of september 11th"z here in Israel.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2002, 12:45:53 PM »
No-one can blame Sharon for Arafat rejecting Barak's deal. The problem is this, for both sides.

Neither side has a charismatic enough leader to make them follow his decision in the name of peace. Arafat had to reject Barak, because his PLA wanted 100% rather than 98%.

Sharon wants peace, this has been a humiliation for him...Netanyahu is opposing his leadership, etc. Funny how their positions have changed. When Netanyahu was in power, he was a moderate. Israel need a Golda Meir, or a Yitzak Rabin (who had a 75% approval rating a week before his death)...Palestine need a Kussim, or a Idrat.

Oh, one other thing, on the Gaza Strip-and Golan heights-is that Israel occupied them for strategic reasons. Without them, Israel is under extreme military pressure from Syria in the Golan...Also, think about this. Israel started off its life as several enclaves, and had to go to war to survive, and form a consistent frontier. If Palestine had one little chunk around Rafah and Gaza, and the larger chunk round the West Bank, they'll be strategically crippled. They'll have to garrison Gaza with no means of supply if Egypt gets pissed with them.

Oh, by the way, Jordan oppressed the Palestinian people in the West Bank, annexing it in 1959-officially, at least. Jordan should suck as many balls as anyone for the situation, in that now they hypocritically support Palestine, as a way of opposing Israel.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2002, 05:18:54 PM »
yeah for sure, Owen u spittin truth again

fuckin Jordan damn near walked out of this mess and frontin like their hands are clean.......
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2002, 09:47:43 AM »
word^...i"m sure you also know tha ecxact date of the massacure....when Husein slutered over 10,000 palestinians at one time.  here you got a real massacure no one can deny but for some reason you don"t see palestinians going to international courts cause of that....but "sabra and shatila" a whole other thing(plus to the fact it was comeeted not by the defendent side,but by the phalangys...if we"Re talking court lingo)....kinda weird if you ask me.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2002, 12:35:55 PM »
The thing is, as with the Lebanon, a race and religion very few people have a problem with is responsible...Arabic Muslims. The vast majority are, evidently, not like King Hussein and President Assad the elder...But that's not the point.

Every Jew is victimized for Israel; a very few Arabs and Muslims were victimized after 9/11. I would have expected mass lynchings, but the people of the USA, if not the government, proved it is still the Land of the Free, by the vats majority joining with Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, whatever, to demand an end to terror...Of whatever sort.
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