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Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2004, 01:44:12 PM »
So what about the first link?...The second link is about Arab films and documentaries, most of which were aired in America...PeACe
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2004, 01:49:08 PM »
Read my other post, it was edited a few minutes ago.
The first link talks about a documentary ON Arabs, not BY Arabs. Plus, it states that three things were left out. Jewish lobbyists were shitting their pants over that, but what was included in the documentary was all true.
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2004, 01:52:14 PM »
You really think Arabs weren't involved in that? LOL
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2004, 01:54:14 PM »
I just read the article, and it said that things were left out. It didn't say that what was stated was false. All it said is that Israeli and Jewish lobbying groups shitted their pants because the documentary didn't portray the pro-Israeli bias of the story, and they got their panties in a twist because a page was left out on the website. That page didn't even take a pro-Palestinian stance, it just talked about the history of the land, and the last sentence states that neither side has legitamite claim.



All I was showing you was an Arab documentary that aired in America, just like you asked... ::)
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2004, 01:56:47 PM »
Show me that they were. Just because you THINK they were, doesn't mean that they were. And even if they were, they didn't "lie". They just didn't show both sides of the story, but even the news doesn't do that. If it's liberals, they bash the right. If it's conservatives, they talk about liberals being socialists, afraid of war, etc. It's all bias.
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2004, 01:58:20 PM »
I just read the article, and it said that things were left out. It didn't say that what was stated was false. All it said is that Israeli and Jewish lobbying groups shitted their pants because the documentary didn't portray the pro-Israeli bias of the story, and they got their panties in a twist because a page was left out on the website. That page didn't even take a pro-Palestinian stance, it just talked about the history of the land, and the last sentence states that neither side has legitamite claim.



All I was showing you was an Arab documentary that aired in America, just like you asked... ::)

1. I asked for one because I wanted to see one, not because I didn't believe they existed.

2. You still didn't prove that Arabs LIED in documentaries.
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2004, 02:19:06 PM »
Jenin Jenin
Released in DVD by Arab Film Distribution (18 December, 2002)
Director: Mohamed Bakri

This film is a documentary of the Israeli action in the Jenin Refugee camp in 2002. Israeli troops went charging into this camp in response to numerous terrorist bombings. The army had intelligence that the camp was literally chalk full of terrorists and weapons. During the fighting that ensued rumors leaked out that a 'massacre' had taken place. The western media quickly arrived and interviewed left wing Israeli activists and Palestinian 'survivors'. The Palestinians told a tale of mass graves and 'genocide' and a little known Israeli Arab (Arab living in Israel) took up a crusade to 'document' the 'massacre'. This film is his documentary. It details a series of interviews of Palestinians who supposedly witnessed the Israel incursion and the subsequent battle. These Palestinians all claim to have witnessed the mass murder of their compatriots at the hands of non-other then the butcher of Sabra and Shatilla, Arik Sharon.
Of course this is one half of the story. The second half is that this documentary is mostly propaganda and hyperbole and does not bother to reveal the subsequent investigation by the U.N, Israel and other bodies that concluded only 30 people had been killed, almost all of whom were young men who were probably combatants. The Investigation proved beyond doubt that a 'massacre' had not taken place. The investigations also proved that the Israeli army had gone to great lengths to not harm civilians, but due to the crowded nature of the camp some civilians had been killed, by mistake. 'Jenin Jenin' is a battle cry that was created to infuse westerners with hate towards Israel. The documentary tries to show that Israel is a veritable 'fascist' state that routinely rounds up Palestinians and massacres them. This film is almost all lies and the interviewees either were telling lies or they simply had thought they witnessed something that was incorrect. Frequently during the fog of war it may seem that hundreds of people are being killed when in reality only a few actually die and most end up wounded from shrapnel. This is frequently the case in a small arms fire fight, it may seem like a terrible battle but subsequent casualty lists will show it to be mostly bloodless. The Palestinians saw hundreds of tanks and Israeli soldiers and the volume of fire certainly made them feel that a massacre was taking place. But the documentary doesn't include any of the actual footage of the conclusions of the investigators, and its images are mostly propaganda meant to convey that terrible destruction took place when in reality a small portion of the camp was damaged. Recommended reading to accompany this film is 'Image and Reality' by Finkelstein, 'Case for Israel' by Dershowitz and 'The new anti-Semitism' by Foxman. This will help balance this very biased documentary.

---Seth Frantzman November 17th 2003


 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2004, 02:22:49 PM »
Jenin Jenin
Released in DVD by Arab Film Distribution (18 December, 2002)
Director: Mohamed Bakri

This film is a documentary of the Israeli action in the Jenin Refugee camp in 2002. Israeli troops went charging into this camp in response to numerous terrorist bombings. The army had intelligence that the camp was literally chalk full of terrorists and weapons. During the fighting that ensued rumors leaked out that a 'massacre' had taken place. The western media quickly arrived and interviewed left wing Israeli activists and Palestinian 'survivors'. The Palestinians told a tale of mass graves and 'genocide' and a little known Israeli Arab (Arab living in Israel) took up a crusade to 'document' the 'massacre'. This film is his documentary. It details a series of interviews of Palestinians who supposedly witnessed the Israel incursion and the subsequent battle. These Palestinians all claim to have witnessed the mass murder of their compatriots at the hands of non-other then the butcher of Sabra and Shatilla, Arik Sharon.
Of course this is one half of the story. The second half is that this documentary is mostly propaganda and hyperbole and does not bother to reveal the subsequent investigation by the U.N, Israel and other bodies that concluded only 30 people had been killed, almost all of whom were young men who were probably combatants. The Investigation proved beyond doubt that a 'massacre' had not taken place. The investigations also proved that the Israeli army had gone to great lengths to not harm civilians, but due to the crowded nature of the camp some civilians had been killed, by mistake. 'Jenin Jenin' is a battle cry that was created to infuse westerners with hate towards Israel. The documentary tries to show that Israel is a veritable 'fascist' state that routinely rounds up Palestinians and massacres them. This film is almost all lies and the interviewees either were telling lies or they simply had thought they witnessed something that was incorrect. Frequently during the fog of war it may seem that hundreds of people are being killed when in reality only a few actually die and most end up wounded from shrapnel. This is frequently the case in a small arms fire fight, it may seem like a terrible battle but subsequent casualty lists will show it to be mostly bloodless. The Palestinians saw hundreds of tanks and Israeli soldiers and the volume of fire certainly made them feel that a massacre was taking place. But the documentary doesn't include any of the actual footage of the conclusions of the investigators, and its images are mostly propaganda meant to convey that terrible destruction took place when in reality a small portion of the camp was damaged. Recommended reading to accompany this film is 'Image and Reality' by Finkelstein, 'Case for Israel' by Dershowitz and 'The new anti-Semitism' by Foxman. This will help balance this very biased documentary.

---Seth Frantzman November 17th 2003




Now check if he's Jewish.

Plus, if you actually read my post, it says "these things are bound to be biased" just in the same way that a documentary by Israelis would be. If the news can't tell both sides of a story, then people creating a documentary would never.
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2004, 02:23:57 PM »
Now I could also claim that the person who wrote that article is a liar, couldn't I?
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2004, 02:26:24 PM »
As a matter of fact, I will bet anything the guy is Israeli and/or Jewish. If he isn't, I will delete my account.
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2004, 02:27:51 PM »
Seth is not an Israeli/Jewish name...He could be an American Jew, but I highly doubt it....
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2004, 02:32:20 PM »
Know How to Uncover Anti-Semitic literature
by Seth Frantzman, Semite, Historian

Understand the classical and modern Jewish texts
by Seth Frantzman, Jewish Historian
« Last Edit: April 07, 2004, 02:33:55 PM by FuNk-U-uP »
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2004, 02:33:57 PM »
Guess he's an American Jew...I still agree with his review...PeACe

 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2004, 02:35:59 PM »
Semite = American?
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2004, 02:37:27 PM »
Semite = Jewish
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2004, 02:37:38 PM »
Point is, being that he's Jewish, his REVIEW could be just as biased. Like I said, there's always more than one side to a story.
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2004, 02:38:55 PM »
Semite = Jewish

This is where you're wrong buddy.

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, esp British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
Date: 1848
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples

WHERE DOES IT MENTION JEWISH?
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2004, 02:39:40 PM »
This is where you're wrong...


Semite:

Noun
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians. 2. A Jew. 3. Bible A descendant of Shem.
Etymology
Back-formation from Semitic.
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2004, 02:41:29 PM »
Seth Frantzman, an Israeli historian...
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2004, 02:46:23 PM »
^^and wheres that from? I highly doubt you'll ever find an Israeli with the name Seth...LOL
 

Now_Im_Not_Banned

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2004, 02:48:14 PM »
He can be a historian on Israeli issues...Just like there are WWII historians...PeACe
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2004, 02:49:45 PM »
Came up on Yahoo. :)
 

JTSimon

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2004, 02:53:06 PM »
NIK you lost.

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NIK you got a new friend  ;D



Let not talk about Israeli influenced programming in America.
 

FuNk-U-uP

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2004, 02:53:49 PM »
Yup, and in the same sense there are some German historians who claim the Holocaust never happened. Is that bias to you or no?
 

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Re:Sept 11th Firefighters
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2004, 02:54:35 PM »
Max...

Why do you contiune to post in here? Your "Last Post" was supposed to be ages ago.

Stick to beating off to she-males.

You've proven time and time again that you don't have a clue about:
1.)Politics
2.)War
3.)Women

You're pretty much useless and look like a moron to everybody that reads your posts.

Show me a picture...right wing biaaaaaaaaatch  ;D