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John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« on: April 06, 2004, 09:14:52 PM »
It's Sad, really, really sad that the democratic party has fallen so far from it's grace in the 60's, this is a speech given by John Kennedy on November 18th, 1961.  His words ring through time, but the amazing thing is that his party, the democratic party, has grown so far from it's original beliefs, that it has become the very thing he was condemning in this speech! You read this, and tell me he isn't talking about modern day liberals.  It's sad!

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In recent months I have spoken many times about how difficult and dangerous a period it is through which we now move. I would like to take this opportunity to say a word about the American spirit in this time of trial.

In the most critical periods of our nation's history, there have always been those fringes of our society who have sought to escape their own responsibility by finding a simple solution, an appealing slogan, or a convenient scapegoat.

Financial crises could be explained by the presence of too many immigrants or too few greenbacks.

War could be attributed to munitions makers or international bankers.

Peace conferences failed because we were duped by the British or tricked by the French or deceived by the Russians.

It was not the presence of Soviet troops in Eastern Europe that drove it to communism, it was the sell-out at Yalta. It was not a civil war that removed China from the free world, it was treason in high places. At times these fanatics have achieved a temporary success among those who lack the will or the vision to face unpleasant tasks or unsolved problems.

But in time the basic good sense and stability of the great American consensus has always prevailed.

Now we are face to face once again with a period of heightened peril. The risks are great, the burdens heavy, the problems incapable of swift or lasting solution. And under the strains and frustrations imposed by constant tension and harassment, the discordant voices of extremism are heard once again in the land. Men who are unwilling to face up to the danger from without are convinced that the real danger comes from within. They look suspiciously at their neighbors and their leaders. They call for a 'man on horseback' because they do not trust the people. They find treason in our finest churches, in our highest court, and even in the treatment of our water. They equate the Democratic Party with the welfare state, the welfare state with socialism, and socialism with communism. They object quite rightly to politics' intruding on the military -- but they are anxious for the military to engage in politics.

But you and I and most Americans take a different view of our peril. We know that it comes from without, not within. It must be met by quiet preparedness, not provocative speeches.

And the steps taken this year to bolster our defenses -- to increase our missile forces, to put more planes on alert, to provide more airlift and sealift and ready divisions -- to make more certain than ever before that this nation has all the power it will need to deter any attack of any kind -- those steps constitute the most effective answer that can be made to those who would sow the seeds of doubt and hate.

So let us not heed these counsels of fear and suspicion. Let us concentrate more on keeping enemy bombers and missiles away from our shores, and concentrate less on keeping neighbors away from our shelters. Let us devote more energy to organize the free and friendly nations of the world, with common trade and strategic goals, and devote less energy to organizing armed bands of civilian guerrillas that are more likely to supply local vigilantes than national vigilance.

Let our patriotism be reflected in the creation of confidence rather than crusades of suspicion. Let us prove we think our country great by striving to make it greater. And, above all, let us remember that, however serious the outlook, the one great irreversible trend in world history is on the side of liberty -- and so, for all time to come, are we.

 

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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2004, 11:14:56 PM »
ya
 

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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2004, 01:53:35 AM »
Never since the Civil War has this country been so divided when talking about Democrat vs. Republican. Liberals and Conservatives are two terms that people are too loosely labeled as. A person could be liberal in an economic sense, and conservative on social issues, or vice versa. You can't say all Democrats are liberals, or all Republicans are conservative. Democrats are known to be economically liberal (spend more, increase taxes, increased regulation, bigger government), while Republicans are generally conservative (spend less, lower taxes, decrease regulation, smaller government). That's how it's been for most our history. Now when we talk about social/civil issues, the two parties have switched and "split" on these things (parties that emerged: Libertarians, Progressives, Populists). The South used to be heavily Democratic, but the Democratic party's liberal stance on social issues has caused most of the South to swing towards the Republican party, who are more conservative on these issues. Their main reason for supporting the Democratic party in the past for the party's stance on economic issues, which helped the "poorer" Southerners more. But recently, civil issues have had a greater influence on their support for a candidate.

In addition, people today seem to have the idea that Democrats are against war, and Republicans are for war. That is false. There are members in each party who are pro/anti war. It just happens so that at the moment we have a president who's just lost sense, and is attacking countries left and right. Not only that, but he's also ironically going against what his party stands for, and that is a smaller government. That's why many staunch Republicans are actually upset. Bush is not what the Republican party stands for. These neo-cons are just one small group within the party making the party look worse than it is. It doesn't matter what party one is from, but when they start taking away constitutional rights, then there's a problem. If the government was run the way the founding fathers intended for it to be run, then it wouldn't matter what party the guy is from. Madison said in one of his Federalist papers that the first thing a scoundrel hides behind is the flag/patriotism. That's what we see today. People are so divided, and Bush has caused everyone to be either "with him or against him", so that anyone against him is "one of them". That's bullshit. Patriotic doesn't mean being for war. Patriotic means knowing what the foundation of this country is, what this country really stands for, and what our rights as citizens are.

I kinda went off track there, but I was just writing and shit just connected somehow. :)
 

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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2004, 06:31:21 AM »
^ Bullshit.  


The REAL problem you're seeing is this: The liberal democrats have it in their head and their mission to rid the united states of the present president, under any means necessary.  

Their problem is that most of America appreciates the things Bush has done, and they don't have a candidate that can do a better job.  Bush has a had a hard 4 years, with terrorist attacks, lots of pressure on him to avenge them and make sure they don't happen again, right now there's an investigation trying to blame him for what happened, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I could name a million things.

The Dems know they have nobody that can stand up to that kind of scrutiny, AS WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE in this election campaign.  Kerry is going to go through the fuckin' wringer.  He doesn't have the voting record to back up a thing he says, and basically, the Dems picked the wrong guy.

So where does this leave them? Uninspired, they find the only way they can beat Bush, is to attack him from all sides, at any possible convienance, even though the American people have no problem with many of Bush's policies and much of his record.  Since we're currently engaged in basically two wars, the dems have even criticised every aspect of them, the economy, everything they can think of.

The problem with their criticism is it's never ending.  They don't know when to shut the fuck up.  Example?

The Economy is clearly growing by leaps and bounds; we recently had the strongest growth in 20 years, over 300 thousand jobs were created in America last month alone, etc. etc.  Lots, and LOTS of indicators that the economy is growing strong.  However, the Dems know they can't win unless they can make it look like Bush has fucked everything up.  

The end result is; you've got John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Daschle, everybody criticising every GOOD thing we hear about America! These are our senators; but yet when news comes out that we've gained 300 thousand jobs in 1 month! (which is miraculous), they say "Well, they're all burger flipper jobs".  That's the kind of shit Dukakis was saying when he LOST the presidential election.  When 12 soldiers are killed in Iraq, every democratic leader says "It's Bush's Vietnam!!!" even though at the end of the Vietnam war, the regime was still in power, had actually grown in size, and 50 thousand americans were dead, as compared to 600 americans in this war, the regime is toppled, Iraq is liberated, etc. etc.  

EVERYTIME something good happens to America, the Dems have to condemn it.  EVERYTIME something Bad happens to America, they Dems harp on it and trumpet it from the towers.  They have ALIGNED themselves against America!  They're actually ROOTING for bad things to happen so they can get elected!

How else do you read their behavior?  How the fuck can you vote for such pessimistic assholes?  They go around saying they want to raise our taxes, so you'll have to spend more money.  Do you honestly think you're going to get a raise at work because John Kerry raised your taxes?  How?  That doesn't even make fucking sense... but yet how many Americans have been duped into thinking that's o.k.?  Kerry's going around promising the farm to everybody, with absolutely no way of paying for it.  Recently, he promised over 100 billion dollars to fund a special program, and when asked how he would pay for it, his reply was "Administrative Overhead".  ? What ?  


It's plain, and will become crystal clear, that the Dems have chosen the wrong man, and as a whole, the party has basically aligned itself with the opposition.  How else do you explain a party that laments the capture of Saddam, and  looks for the bad news in everything?  
 

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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2004, 06:33:50 AM »
Here sums up the democratic position on our war in Iraq, as said by John Kennedy in 1961.  


"Men who are unwilling to face up to the danger from without are convinced that the real danger comes from within."
 

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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2004, 06:34:35 AM »
^ Bullshit.  


The REAL problem you're seeing is this: The liberal democrats have it in their head and their mission to rid the united states of the present president, under any means necessary.  

Their problem is that most of America appreciates the things Bush has done, and they don't have a candidate that can do a better job.  Bush has a had a hard 4 years, with terrorist attacks, lots of pressure on him to avenge them and make sure they don't happen again, right now there's an investigation trying to blame him for what happened, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I could name a million things.

The Dems know they have nobody that can stand up to that kind of scrutiny, AS WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE in this election campaign.  Kerry is going to go through the fuckin' wringer.  He doesn't have the voting record to back up a thing he says, and basically, the Dems picked the wrong guy.

So where does this leave them? Uninspired, they find the only way they can beat Bush, is to attack him from all sides, at any possible convienance, even though the American people have no problem with many of Bush's policies and much of his record.  Since we're currently engaged in basically two wars, the dems have even criticised every aspect of them, the economy, everything they can think of.

The problem with their criticism is it's never ending.  They don't know when to shut the fuck up.  Example?

The Economy is clearly growing by leaps and bounds; we recently had the strongest growth in 20 years, over 300 thousand jobs were created in America last month alone, etc. etc.  Lots, and LOTS of indicators that the economy is growing strong.  However, the Dems know they can't win unless they can make it look like Bush has fucked everything up.  

The end result is; you've got John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Daschle, everybody criticising every GOOD thing we hear about America! These are our senators; but yet when news comes out that we've gained 300 thousand jobs in 1 month! (which is miraculous), they say "Well, they're all burger flipper jobs".  That's the kind of shit Dukakis was saying when he LOST the presidential election.  When 12 soldiers are killed in Iraq, every democratic leader says "It's Bush's Vietnam!!!" even though at the end of the Vietnam war, the regime was still in power, had actually grown in size, and 50 thousand americans were dead, as compared to 600 americans in this war, the regime is toppled, Iraq is liberated, etc. etc.  

EVERYTIME something good happens to America, the Dems have to condemn it.  EVERYTIME something Bad happens to America, they Dems harp on it and trumpet it from the towers.  They have ALIGNED themselves against America!  They're actually ROOTING for bad things to happen so they can get elected!

How else do you read their behavior?  How the fuck can you vote for such pessimistic assholes?  They go around saying they want to raise our taxes, so you'll have to spend more money.  Do you honestly think you're going to get a raise at work because John Kerry raised your taxes?  How?  That doesn't even make fucking sense... but yet how many Americans have been duped into thinking that's o.k.?  Kerry's going around promising the farm to everybody, with absolutely no way of paying for it.  Recently, he promised over 100 billion dollars to fund a special program, and when asked how he would pay for it, his reply was "Administrative Overhead".  ? What ?  


It's plain, and will become crystal clear, that the Dems have chosen the wrong man, and as a whole, the party has basically aligned itself with the opposition.  How else do you explain a party that laments the capture of Saddam, and  looks for the bad news in everything?  

Aren't they just doing what every political party thats in opposition does in every country?
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Re:John F. Kennedy's Speech on Conspiracy Theorists
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2004, 12:47:58 PM »
^ Bullshit.  


The REAL problem you're seeing is this: The liberal democrats have it in their head and their mission to rid the united states of the present president, under any means necessary.  

Their problem is that most of America appreciates the things Bush has done, and they don't have a candidate that can do a better job.  Bush has a had a hard 4 years, with terrorist attacks, lots of pressure on him to avenge them and make sure they don't happen again, right now there's an investigation trying to blame him for what happened, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I could name a million things.

The Dems know they have nobody that can stand up to that kind of scrutiny, AS WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE in this election campaign.  Kerry is going to go through the fuckin' wringer.  He doesn't have the voting record to back up a thing he says, and basically, the Dems picked the wrong guy.

So where does this leave them? Uninspired, they find the only way they can beat Bush, is to attack him from all sides, at any possible convienance, even though the American people have no problem with many of Bush's policies and much of his record.  Since we're currently engaged in basically two wars, the dems have even criticised every aspect of them, the economy, everything they can think of.

The problem with their criticism is it's never ending.  They don't know when to shut the fuck up.  Example?

The Economy is clearly growing by leaps and bounds; we recently had the strongest growth in 20 years, over 300 thousand jobs were created in America last month alone, etc. etc.  Lots, and LOTS of indicators that the economy is growing strong.  However, the Dems know they can't win unless they can make it look like Bush has fucked everything up.  

The end result is; you've got John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Daschle, everybody criticising every GOOD thing we hear about America! These are our senators; but yet when news comes out that we've gained 300 thousand jobs in 1 month! (which is miraculous), they say "Well, they're all burger flipper jobs".  That's the kind of shit Dukakis was saying when he LOST the presidential election.  When 12 soldiers are killed in Iraq, every democratic leader says "It's Bush's Vietnam!!!" even though at the end of the Vietnam war, the regime was still in power, had actually grown in size, and 50 thousand americans were dead, as compared to 600 americans in this war, the regime is toppled, Iraq is liberated, etc. etc.  

EVERYTIME something good happens to America, the Dems have to condemn it.  EVERYTIME something Bad happens to America, they Dems harp on it and trumpet it from the towers.  They have ALIGNED themselves against America!  They're actually ROOTING for bad things to happen so they can get elected!

How else do you read their behavior?  How the fuck can you vote for such pessimistic assholes?  They go around saying they want to raise our taxes, so you'll have to spend more money.  Do you honestly think you're going to get a raise at work because John Kerry raised your taxes?  How?  That doesn't even make fucking sense... but yet how many Americans have been duped into thinking that's o.k.?  Kerry's going around promising the farm to everybody, with absolutely no way of paying for it.  Recently, he promised over 100 billion dollars to fund a special program, and when asked how he would pay for it, his reply was "Administrative Overhead".  ? What ?  


It's plain, and will become crystal clear, that the Dems have chosen the wrong man, and as a whole, the party has basically aligned itself with the opposition.  How else do you explain a party that laments the capture of Saddam, and  looks for the bad news in everything?  

I was talking about the parties in general, not just how they view Bush's presidency. I agree with you, Democrats (not necessarily Liberals,,, that's kind of the point I was making) are fucking hypocrits. However, they're not any less of hypocrits than Republicans are. Catch my drift? Right now they're condemning all the shit Bush does, but we all know that once they're in office, they'll handle shit pretty much the same way. Only things that will change is: increased taxes on the rich (dividends & estates), and maybe spend more money on social programs. I don't see these 2 as bad things though. One reason is that the "conservative" president is not being very conservative right now when it comes to government size and spending. So why not spend some money on our own people. Also, I don't think it's a good thing for us, the middle class, that Bush tries to eliminate taxes on dividends and estates (that is what he's planning on doing his 2nd term). But, everything else will be the same. Democrats fight bullshit wars just like Republicans do. It's our foreign policy. It isn't our party system, it's the foreign policy. So, I agree with you that Democrats are hypocrits. A true liberal isn't what you see in Kerry, just in the same way that a true conservative isn't what you see in Bush (neo-con). So there's a difference in labeling these people as conservatives and liberals. Conservatives could rule this country in a great way, if only they stuck to the constitution, and didn't take it to the extreme (Patriot Act).