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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2004, 05:22:11 PM »
ok, first of all i wanna thank everyone for keeping this conversation respectable

ok, first to teecee, yes rap is entertainment and i agree that people should be resposible, but so many young people that dont have a parent out there look up to these people as idols, I don't know about any of you but when i was 13, I sure as hell wanted to be like snoop and i think that rappers should take these things into consideration, because when you have as much power as someone who is reaching out to so many people, why doest the ARTIST HIMSELF, let the kids know, hey you know this is just entertainment. I'm tired of 50 brag about gettin shot like its a good thing, thats what i hate about rappers, you say they dont glorify negativity, but just listen to their music man. but then you have your entertainment arugment which is a strong argument, but i just dont like the vibes they give out to people. i mean a lot of people just dont understand the energy system, and how you can give bad energy to someone.

I'm not saying im never going to listen to hip hop again, I NEVER said that, I'm just noting, hip hop is negative, and it can really effect you if you listen to it too much, let it be entertainment and nothing else, so many people look at songs and albums as guidebooks, its crazy.

Will i listen to hip-hop less? yeah, i probably will. because to be honest, i dont see much growth in hip hop, i see so much negativity and repetition and its just real dull and redundant, so ill probably check out that hot creative album that gets released every once in a while, while i expand my horizons and listen to other types of music instead of listening to hiphop all the time.


Now neija huga, rap from the ghetto DOES NOT have to be negative, nothing HAS to be negative,almost everything can be flipped and turned into something positive, but that is not the case, i dont mind rappers explaining their environment, but once a rapper is rich and living in the suburbs i really doubt their environment is still so negative, rappers just have that negative mentality.

Rap, CAN be positive music, it has been proven, but it is not, so aslong as you accept all the heat rap is getting with no problem, then ok, but dont think that rappers are victimised, because they bring it upon themselves.
 

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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2004, 06:04:56 PM »
I'll reply more on this in a minute, but you must know that almost all entertainment in this country relays a negetive message.  We are living in a country of unbelief, anything for a dollar.  Sex, violence, and sensationalism sells.  It's even on your 5 oclock news, murder, rape, fear.  They are selling the product of fear on your 10 oclock news!  So don't single out hip-hop!  Atleast rappers try to be honest with themselves.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2004, 06:25:47 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2004, 06:59:30 PM »
lol for what^

Infinite said nothing new or anything that defends hip-hop. He said atleast hip hop is honest, ummm, thats laughable. Since when is hip hop honest, hip hop is filled with fairy tales about the hood. Of course there is truth in some hip-hop but then again there is some truth in movies and all other forms of entertainment. Rappers aren't even honest with themselves, with every rapper out there claiming their greater than others and trying to prove their gangsta. I've seen about a handfull of artists be honest with themselves. One of them is Kanye West who admits hes self-conscious and an asshole, but when have you seen Dre admit he has a big ego, infact he made a song about others having big ego's LMAO, again, very laughable comment. Next please.......
 

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2004, 08:01:24 PM »
lol for what^

Infinite said nothing new or anything that defends hip-hop. He said atleast hip hop is honest, ummm, thats laughable. Since when is hip hop honest, hip hop is filled with fairy tales about the hood. Of course there is truth in some hip-hop but then again there is some truth in movies and all other forms of entertainment. Rappers aren't even honest with themselves, with every rapper out there claiming their greater than others and trying to prove their gangsta. I've seen about a handfull of artists be honest with themselves. One of them is Kanye West who admits hes self-conscious and an asshole, but when have you seen Dre admit he has a big ego, infact he made a song about others having big ego's LMAO, again, very laughable comment. Next please.......

The meat of my argument is that hip-hop is negetive just like almost all entertainment in America is negetive.  Argue that point.  And what I meant about rappers being honest with themselves is that they will tell you from the get go that they don't "give a fuck".  That they are saying whatever the fuck they want and that they are just talkin shit.  Most rappers admit that they are all about money and hoes.  They will tell you that.  It's different when a news reporter gets on CNN and wears a suit and tie and promotes and claims to represent moral good to the world.
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2004, 08:18:53 PM »
The meat of my argument is that hip-hop is negetive just like almost all entertainment in America is negetive.  Argue that point.  

he already did...he said something to the effect of...

"yes movies are negative but theres a difference...you don't watch a movie anywhere near as much as you listen to a song..."

basically saying that not only do you not hear it as much but you don't memorize entire movies and play parts of them in your head when there is dead silence like you do with music. i don't agree with those faggots who think that we should blame marilyn manson for the columbine shootings or blame eminem when some kids smacks his mom...the listener has a responsibilty to not buy into this shit...but when this shit is "whats cool" then it gets kinda hard...peer pressure's a muhfucka.

and whoever said it earlier...im still waiting for my list of 20 positive artists  ::)
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2004, 08:19:18 PM »

The meat of my argument is that hip-hop is negetive just like almost all entertainment in America is negetive.  Argue that point.  

Just cause one thing is wrong doesnt make the other thing right, I have argued that, read the thread. That has been everyone's argument.

Also, Hip-hop artists say they represent the hood, yeah I'm sure the hood is real proud of Snoop right now. That is just as bad as your news reporter argument.
 

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Re:I hate to say this but...hip-hop/rap is negative music
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2004, 10:30:14 PM »
do i even know the essense of hip hop? are you kidding me? atleast rappers are honest with themselves? how? they know what they're doing is wrong but they'll keep doing it for money? they'll look for beef to get shot so they can become a superstar? hip hop is a fake cult. alotta of people that are "hip hop heads" are obsessed with it. it's fake because 99% of the shit gangsta raoppers spit is bullshit. it might happen, but they don't do it. and how can anyone say they aren't promoting negativity? half these rappers brag about how many hoes they get, how much expensive alcohol and imported smoke they can get thier hands on, how much heat they hold and people they'll gat down, how many bullets they can handle and how many times they dodge death. and most of this is just in an average song. when do they ever say it's just entertainment? they boast about the sins they commit expecting praise. i wasn't bought up in a different enviroment, i'm still in the mindframe of fuck the police, matter of fact, i'm more on some fuck the governement shit. how can i say some shit like this? because, i still love hip hop, i still listen to some shit i don't nessacerily agree with every once and a while but shit dogg, hip hop isn't honest. c'mon, be onest with yourself. i bet the shit you rhyme about ain't even honest... you know why? because, that's how you've been conditioned. infinite is right, saying all entertainment is negative etc. but that isn't what this post is about. everything equals money these days. don't fool yourself thinking you're listening to something real. what's real is when you go out and do an honest day's work to support your fam. what's real is when your girl dumps you for some asshole who claims to be gangsta. what's real is when you want to get out the gang but the gang members ain't having it so they hunt you down to kill you. living your life like a made man isn't real...


aiight, good answer, agreed 151%

especially wit tha 2nd part of tha paragraph....

but oh well....it's nothin 2 me....I've actually dwelled on this issue many times in my life....I just make it seem like I haven't because of the fact that I've come 2 realize that's just tha way it is and I don't want people coming in here bad mouthing hip hop and not appreciating for what it is....U just gotta see life in a bigger picture and charge tha pity shit to tha game....like dead prez I use alot as an example....they're always complaining about shit and they're right about those issues most of tha time....but so what? It's good to get people 2 be aware what's REAL....what's not good is 2 come in here and say 'hey, hip hop is too offensive, let's find other genres'....that would be the downfall of hip hop as we kno it....and I see it already too....I feel like hip hop has reached it's prime and is slowly fallin....I don't think it will ever fall completely too soon because urban america will always exist....but mainstream wise, it will slowly fall as people grow and generations change....but then again, how could it? what would replace it? hmmm....I dunno, it's an interesting subject....I still would like to stick to my point that ALL OF US in here arguing will still bump tha offensive shit at certain times just like we bump reflective/concious shit at other times....This thread is good to remind people and get people to be aware tho....dats where it ends pretty much....tha rest is so what?



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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2004, 11:27:42 PM »
of course rap is negative, I've known that ever since I started listening to it.  it doesn't bother me tho.  I'm not  stupid, I don't take to heart what these guys say, its just entertainment.

Look at California's Governor - Arnold.  How many negative movies has he been in?  The Terminator movies are negative as hell.  There are tons of negative movies out that are very popular.

Look at video games.  First person shooters are the biggest thing in video games, and have been for years.  All you do is kill people.  That is extremely negative.  Look how popular the GTA games are, they are extremely negative.  Remember how popular Mortal Kombat was when it first came out?  

Just watch the news.  How often is the news positive?  More stories on the news are negative instead of positive.  In fact I hardly ever see anything positive on the news, its pretty depressing.  And this shit ain't made up entertainment, its real fuckin life shit.

Look at our world today, its majorly negative.  Wars goin on, terrorist attatcks, homeless people, starving ass people, jobless people, people dying all the time.  Our prisons in USA are overpopulated, meanwhile schools can't even get enuff funding.  We can't even trust our own damn government here in the USA.

Shit look at American Idol, and that Judge Simon.  Look how he treats people.  I mean you really can't get anymore negative than that.  He just shoots people's dreams down, and probably makes them feel like shit.

People luv drama and they luv negativity.  How many people want to watch a movie where everything is all good, and there is no drama, no climax, nothing negative.

There is a lot of negative shit in the world, and I am surprised how people don't notice it.  Rap is one of the very least negative things that society should be concerned with imo.
 

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2004, 03:07:16 AM »
Sorry, but if you let music affect your everyday life, you're probably a weak person...You're telling me that if a rapper bragged about how cool it is to get shot, you'd wanna get shot too? You say rap influenced you as a child, but do you know how many kids I've seen running around screaming "I'm Tony Montana!"...Fact is, that's not gunna stop me from watching gangster movies, and when i do watch gangster movies, I sure as hell wont let it affect my everyday life, like some idiots I know...What I'm basically saying is, you got to have self control...PeACe
 

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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2004, 05:30:11 AM »
This is actually a very interesting thread, props to all for expressing their views.

I gotta say this: i was first attracted to hiphop BECAUSE of the negativity!  I always knew it was negative, i never took it as gospel.  

And for the person who says what we see on the news is just as bad, major props, because the way they package those stories is bullshit.  Its all shock value, all fear, its always been that way but if it comes from respectable journalists then it must be accurate.'

And to the guy saying rappers dont rap about real things, listen to some Last Emperor, Masta Ace (Disposable Arts), Nas (at times), and even Kanye (you may not like him, but know one else raps about working at the Gap and being the "token blackie" when black people walked in.....

Lastly, look for the positive in hiphop, because there is more than you think.  In any aspect of life, you can dwell on the negative of you want, but there is usually positive involved as well.  Take Nas, he has made some completely ignorant songs, but listen to the lyrics of Rule or I Can, that is some real shit right there.  

Just a question?  What is a positive music genre?  
 

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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2004, 07:28:49 AM »
yup rap is negative, its funny why ppl are surprised that the police have special taskforces investigating rappers when they kill some1 in every song and rap about million dollar drug deals etc.

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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2004, 07:29:13 AM »
This is actually a very interesting thread, props to all for expressing their views.

I gotta say this: i was first attracted to hiphop BECAUSE of the negativity!  I always knew it was negative, i never took it as gospel.  

And for the person who says what we see on the news is just as bad, major props, because the way they package those stories is bullshit.  Its all shock value, all fear, its always been that way but if it comes from respectable journalists then it must be accurate.'

And to the guy saying rappers dont rap about real things, listen to some Last Emperor, Masta Ace (Disposable Arts), Nas (at times), and even Kanye (you may not like him, but know one else raps about working at the Gap and being the "token blackie" when black people walked in.....

Lastly, look for the positive in hiphop, because there is more than you think.  In any aspect of life, you can dwell on the negative of you want, but there is usually positive involved as well.  Take Nas, he has made some completely ignorant songs, but listen to the lyrics of Rule or I Can, that is some real shit right there.  

Just a question?  What is a positive music genre?  
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2004, 07:46:52 AM »
ok, first of all i wanna thank everyone for keeping this conversation respectable

Now neija huga, rap from the ghetto DOES NOT have to be negative, nothing HAS to be negative,almost everything can be flipped and turned into something positive, but that is not the case, i dont mind rappers explaining their environment, but once a rapper is rich and living in the suburbs i really doubt their environment is still so negative, rappers just have that negative mentality.

Rap, CAN be positive music, it has been proven, but it is not, so aslong as you accept all the heat rap is getting with no problem, then ok, but dont think that rappers are victimised, because they bring it upon themselves.
You know Pitbull you have called out my name but have not read my post. When did I say "rap from the ghetto have to be negative". Don't put your words in my Post. When did I say anything HAS to be Negative. I stated why sometings are negative. Like I stated earlier take your advice and read everone's words. I am not God so I can not tell people what has to be and does not have to be. READ MY POST Again! then read yours they don't match. You are just arguing nothing. I'm not justitfing I am explaning one reason for negativity, not all of them. Also I did state some of it will be postive. You would know that if you read my post. btw Jay-Z said it best ", how would you explain? I'm ten years removed, still the vibe is in my veins I got a hustler spirit, nigga period Check out my hat yo, peep the way I wear it Check out my swag' yo, I walk like a ballplayer No matter where you go, you are what you are player And you can try to change but that's just as hot player Man, you was who you was 'fore you got here Only God can judge me, so I'm gone Either love me, or leave me alone" - Album: The Black Album Song: Public Service Announcement (Interlude) 8)
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2004, 09:08:22 AM »
Hiphop is life and life is negative.
Cause I don't care where I belong no more
What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
Cause I don't think contrast is a sin
No, it's not a sin
 

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2004, 10:47:18 PM »
Hiphop is life and life is negative.

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2004, 05:10:53 AM »
Hiphop is life and life is negative.

life's only negative if you let it be

get the fuck outta here wit that... look what grundy said, he's basically right too.

Entertainment: Negative. So is Rap. See: comedy is mainly making fun of ppl --> negative.
movies: mainly ppl in trouble, drama, ppl getting killed, hurt etc --> negative.
music, Rap..: negative.
Entertainment is negative.

Our World: negative.
News: terrorist attacks, war in the middle east, rapes of little children, murderers, lies of presidents.. --> Negative.
My life: no job, bad grades at school, parents have hardly any money to support me with, my sister has to raise her 3 kids in a 3-Room-Flat on the 5th floor together with her husband, etc.... --> Negative.

Bottom Line: it is what it is. hiphop is negative, but so is life. and it's not like you let life be, it is just negative as a fact. of course you can ignore all the negative stuff and be happy or whatever, but c'mon, open your fuckin eyes.
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« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2004, 08:47:17 AM »
your the one who has to open your eyes, you think, oh everythings so bad, everythings so negative, everythings so rough,oh grow up, that type of mentality is childish.
 

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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2004, 09:44:47 AM »
If you can't stand the heat, why don't you just become a hippy? 8)
 

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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2004, 11:07:11 AM »
shut up dude, its stupid ass immature shit like that, that makes me come here less and less. ohwell though, peace, im done with this conversation, we've all said what we had to and if anyone learned anything then cool, if not then too bad.

oh yeah, i never really pay attention to my karma but ive noticed its really taken a plunge ever since i made this thread.....lol kids.
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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2004, 11:30:08 AM »
your the one who has to open your eyes, you think, oh everythings so bad, everythings so negative, everythings so rough,oh grow up, that type of mentality is childish.


naw mane, it is ruff, it ain't no childish mentality, he's expressin how it is, dats real....if it don't apply to yur life, then don't speak on it....shit's ruff, but we don't need 2 be reminded by these type of threads....

bottomline doggy, U don't have a solution....what rapper is gone make songs about happy things on his whole album? lol....and if it's so stupid when certain rappers speak about they hood and how they came up, then don't listen, what is the big deal? U can't change anything....and yur still gone be listenin 2 tha same negative stuff....so end this bullshit.





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« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2004, 11:33:08 AM »
Hiphop is life and life is negative.

life's only negative if you let it be

get the fuck outta here wit that... look what grundy said, he's basically right too.

Entertainment: Negative. So is Rap. See: comedy is mainly making fun of ppl --> negative.
movies: mainly ppl in trouble, drama, ppl getting killed, hurt etc --> negative.
music, Rap..: negative.
Entertainment is negative.

Our World: negative.
News: terrorist attacks, war in the middle east, rapes of little children, murderers, lies of presidents.. --> Negative.
My life: no job, bad grades at school, parents have hardly any money to support me with, my sister has to raise her 3 kids in a 3-Room-Flat on the 5th floor together with her husband, etc.... --> Negative.

Bottom Line: it is what it is. hiphop is negative, but so is life. and it's not like you let life be, it is just negative as a fact. of course you can ignore all the negative stuff and be happy or whatever, but c'mon, open your fuckin eyes.

god damn...you really are getting fucked by the media arent you? for every negative thing in entertainment there is an equally positive one to make up for it...hip hop being the exception because there isnt much positivity in it...but movies...theres tons of postive ones, games....theres tons of games like GTA yes...but then theres tons of games like GT3, Crazy Taxi, NBA Street, etc...where they arent negative at all (minus a little trash talk  ;D),

then you say life is negative? no...the only negative parts of life are what you see on tv...as i said...life's only negative if you let it be and thats probably the realest thing anyone has said out of this entire thread...stop acting like this is hell on earth....think about how worse off you could be...i dunno bout you but i sure as hell thank god for not being homeless, or retarded, or even being a drunk or something like that...those people have it way worse off than we do.
 

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« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2004, 11:50:05 AM »
damn, no disrespect intended, cos i dont know u but, some of those things u said about ur life i.e. bad grades at school, no job...are things that are kind of self inflicted...like, no matter what people say, everyone is capable of getting good grades, even if not in all subjects, and so job prospects are a follow on from that. i agree with Luke, there are a lot of people who are worse off in this world, for example i work with the a Red Cross project near where i live, with guys who are severely disabled, who are unable to walk, talk, have no control over there limbs etc etc...and they attend college to try and better themselves rather than focusing on the negativity...


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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2004, 02:31:45 PM »
damn, no disrespect intended, cos i dont know u but, some of those things u said about ur life i.e. bad grades at school, no job...are things that are kind of self inflicted...like, no matter what people say, everyone is capable of getting good grades, even if not in all subjects, and so job prospects are a follow on from that. i agree with Luke, there are a lot of people who are worse off in this world, for example i work with the a Red Cross project near where i live, with guys who are severely disabled, who are unable to walk, talk, have no control over there limbs etc etc...and they attend college to try and better themselves rather than focusing on the negativity...


exactly...i worked at a place for a few weeks (volunteered) at Delta Rehab Center...where theres a couple hundered residents who either can't walk, can't talk, can't think...or all three...because of stupid shit they did in their lives before...and i gotta say seeing that shit makes you really think about how good your life is.
 

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Re:I hate to say this but...hip-hop/rap is negative music
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2004, 02:50:25 PM »
Yes, it is true, I hate to admit it, but its true, I mean some of you just dont understand the energy these people are sending out with their voice and lyrics, even if you are not listening to the music, just the energy in the songs.

hip-hop rarely brings across good messages and good vibes, and those are the conscious heads like talib kweli and mos def.

I mean what I cant understand is how an artist like dr dre can be STILL talking about the same shit he was talking about a decade ago and NOT GROW. The guy is damn near 40 years old, I would feel stupid as hell if i was him. After a while I just get fed up with these gangsta tales, I find it childish.

Then there is the influence this music has on society, which i will not get into too much because i feel like the listener has a resposibility of NOT BEING STUPID. but then the person making the music should be aware of the effects he will have with every word he says, well OF COURSE, a musician does not want you go out and kill people or do drugs and get in trouble or whatever, but he has to know his power. and a lot of rappers are ignorant to this.

I have been a defender of hip hop my whole life, i have always loved it and defended it like it was my family but now i have come to the realization that just about 90% of rap is negative and has negative effects. after reading a interview between cam'ron dame dash and bill o reilly, there really was no way to defend cam.





Of course you're right, and of course many will disagree with you.... but it's the truth, people have known things like this forever.  why do you think you feel good when you hear a good song? It's because it has an effect on you.  Obviously, a negative song is going to have a negative effect on you, too, anybody should be able to figure that one out.  Anybody that's ever heard a metallica song and ended up going 90 miles an hour down the freeway listening to it KNOWS music has an effect on your state of mind.  

I totally agree with the evaluation of Dre, too, it's getting to the point it's embarassing. At least the young guys have an excuse, they can say they're ignorant.  Dre should know better.