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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2004, 09:00:23 AM »
I still haven't heard to many replies to the original question I asked, or aren't there as many Christians turned Muslims on this forum as I thought.

You never responded to my reply to your origional question: Here it is again in short:

I was raised Christian.  My mother's family was Catholic and my father's family southern baptist.  I could not stand for all the hypocrisy in the Church and never could identify with man being God, so at age 14 I became an atheist.  Then at age 18 I went through yet another transformation when I finally came to know about Islam.  The primary reason I accepted Islam is because Islam can put your whole life and daily affairs in perfect order; Beggining with Allah being the One and Only, the Supreme Being, and the only deity worthy of worship.  Next, the teachings of the Holy Qu'ran and the practice of Islam begin to take hold of you and discipline your mind and body into submission to Allah, through intense praying, fasting, traveling (Hajj), supplicating to Allah, the brotherhood and comrodery amongst Muslims, the knowledge and psychology of the Holy Qu'ran... Soon one's life becomes a temple of worship.

To answer your first question, nothing is wrong with Jesus (peace be unto him).  He was a a devinely inspired prophet of God, and we believe in much of the gospels, although some of it has been lost in translation and altered for political reasons.

To answer your second question let me explain how the Qu'ran advanced the morals of the gospel, and previously revealed messages of Allah.  Being that Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet and the culmination of all messages, the Qu'ran was to offer the believers giudance in every sphere and aspect of life.  Allah has decreed in the Qu'ran "And verily, on this day I have completed the religion of (submission to the will of God)".  So in doing so, the Holy Qu'ran gave the believers giudance in all aspects from how to pray, how to orchestrate a society and government, how to fight against oppression and subjugation, economics, judiciary, dietary, marriage, divorce; a Muslim is never without giudance.



Actually my 7th post was a pesponse to your reply. But let me get more thorough. First off I'm beginning to think you think I think it was wrong of you to join Islam. Allow me to clarify, I don't think its wrong, not a bit, whatever makes you a better person is great with me. But I do think its feels wrong for me, that's all. I also don't think its evil to be gay, but I know that it feels wrong if a homosexual were to make advances on me. Just because I don't do something a certain way does not mean I don't think it should be done that way at all.

You mention how Muhamed advanced the morals of Christ. I beg to differ, I think he brought them down a few pegs. There is no way any one could ever argue that Muhamed was more peacful than Jesus or even as peaceful. He justified murder and slavery so long as it is not committed against fellow Muslim brothers. That's bull shit. And all the customs and shit that came out of the Quran like how to pray and eat are just sigs of the times. Correct me if I'm wrong but someone told me that the pig cannot be eaten because of its greed and sloppiness. If thats the case then I'd have to disagree, because pigs are actually one of the cleanest animals.

But anyway. I'm going to tell you what I think Muhammed was. I think he was a very well read intelligent man who was sick and tired of the position he and his people were in, and wanted revolution, justice. So he decided to create an army to fight for freedom. But it is very difficult to motivate the oppressed. So what did he do? What a lot of people do in this situation , make the people think the mission is divine.

Now I'm sorry if I've offended any Muslims, and keep in mind that this is only an opinion that cannot be proven, or is intended to be proven. Nor is it intended to be persuasive. But keep in mind the previous massive revolution in the middle east was led by Moses. (If there were any between 1500 BC- 600 AD, i'm sorry i don't mention them) And Moses was chosen by God, s as the story goes God granted Moses unimaginable powers to revolt against oppressors, hell he split an entire ocean for him (Harbinger I realize you probably don't think this happened, but Muslims do, so let it be). Now if Muhammed was chosen ahead of all the other prophets and is seen as the truest one then why did he and his people have to fight all alone in this fight? Why didn't God win it for them? Imaen even if one believes that all the stories of the prophets and their miracles are propaganda made to trick people, then why aren't here even any stories of Muhammed utilizing God's powers to fend off oppressors?

And don't tell me something stupid like God gave them strength in battle and that is why they, as underdogs, overthrew the larger oppressor. Because no one claimed divine intervention when 300 Spartans defeated a Persian army that consisted of thousands.
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2004, 01:10:08 PM »
But anyway. I'm going to tell you what I think Muhammed was. I think he was a very well read intelligent man who was sick and tired of the position he and his people were in, and wanted revolution, justice. So he decided to create an army to fight for freedom. But it is very difficult to motivate the oppressed. So what did he do? What a lot of people do in this situation , make the people think the mission is divine.


Wrong, Mohammed (PBUH) was illerate and had no education, religious nor otherwise besides speaking to a Christian Monk once when he was 5 or so, who could tell something was special about the child.

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2004, 01:14:19 PM »
Its not hard to lie about how much education you. Saying that he was illiterate just makes "seem" more likely that it was God all along.
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2004, 01:14:34 PM »
Its not hard to lie about how much education you have. Saying that he was illiterate just makes "seem" more likely that it was God all along.
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2004, 06:58:39 PM »
1. John (3:17) says that you "MIGHT be saved."
There is no guarantee of salvation. In Islam there is.

2. The Bible has been interpreted, hence revised, over and over as time went on. In fact, there are many versions of the Bible. In the Qu'ran not 1 word has been changed, and there isn't more than 1 version.


THERE ARE ALSO REFERENCES TO ISLAM/MUHAMMED IN THE BIBLE.

3. In Deuteronomy 33:2, we see Moses peace be upon him predicting that GOD Almighty will execute His Holy Judgement in the city of Paran by 10,000 of Believers:

"And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.  (From the King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"

We also read about the same prophecy by Prophet Enoch peace be upon him:

"And Enoch [Idris in Arabic] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.  (Jude 1:14-15)"

Now, according to the Islamic history, the city of Mecca (Paran) was liberated by Prophet Muhammad's 10,000-men army.


4. Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel:

"And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed:  (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)"

Jesus came on the ass(donkey)
Muhammed came on the camel



5. CHAPTER 220 of the "Gospel of Barnabus (Joseph)"

Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punishes with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God has willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of hell. And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, has willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas;, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad;, the Messenger ;of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's Law. Having thus spoken, Jesus said: 'You are just, O Lord our God, because to you only belongs honour and glory without end.'
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2004, 08:11:38 PM »
muhammad doesnt exist they were all profits the devil is whats fuckin with those muslims they all stupid
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2004, 02:55:14 PM »
muhammad doesnt exist they were all profits the devil is whats fuckin with those muslims they all stupid

Muhammad lived just 1400 years ago.  It was not difficult in that time to record information and facts about history, and there is undeniable proof that Muhammad (salla alayhi wa salaam) lived, no Christian, Jewish, or atheist historian can deny that.

You said "they were all prophets".  Exactly.  Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad, peace be upon all of them, they were all prophets of God.

 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2004, 07:43:13 PM »
1. John (3:17) says that you "MIGHT be saved."
There is no guarantee of salvation. In Islam there is.

2. The Bible has been interpreted, hence revised, over and over as time went on. In fact, there are many versions of the Bible. In the Qu'ran not 1 word has been changed, and there isn't more than 1 version.


THERE ARE ALSO REFERENCES TO ISLAM/MUHAMMED IN THE BIBLE.

3. In Deuteronomy 33:2, we see Moses peace be upon him predicting that GOD Almighty will execute His Holy Judgement in the city of Paran by 10,000 of Believers:

"And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.  (From the King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"

We also read about the same prophecy by Prophet Enoch peace be upon him:

"And Enoch [Idris in Arabic] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.  (Jude 1:14-15)"

Now, according to the Islamic history, the city of Mecca (Paran) was liberated by Prophet Muhammad's 10,000-men army.


4. Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel:

"And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed:  (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)"

Jesus came on the ass(donkey)
Muhammed came on the camel



5. CHAPTER 220 of the "Gospel of Barnabus (Joseph)"

Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punishes with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God has willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of hell. And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, has willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas;, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad;, the Messenger ;of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's Law. Having thus spoken, Jesus said: 'You are just, O Lord our God, because to you only belongs honour and glory without end.'

I'm not so sure about all that prophecy stuff, but there were so many references to what the messaiah would be and how he would come, and they all point to Jesus. This is the reason why jewish turned christians convert, it's why Bob Dylan did, not to say that a lot of Jewish people do convert to christianity, but the ones that do use the resemblences of the prediction of the saviour and Jesus as a key piece in their conversion. Now I ask you, and the question is not a rhetorical one, what predictions of Muhammed are in the scriptures.

I still have not received too many reasons why Christians converted to Islam. I'm not judging I'm just curious. Even if the ones that already posted their reasons know people that converted, those persons stories would be appreciated.
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2004, 07:45:35 PM »
Sorry I forgot the ? in the question I asked you. Also where did you read the Gospel of Barnabus?
 

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2004, 07:50:10 PM »
One thing I should point out is that I wasn't really a Christian ever. My family has never attended Church or discussed religion. We've never prayed together, nor even owned a Bible. So undoubtebly that should help make sense of things.

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Re:Question for Christians turned Muslim
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2004, 07:51:24 PM »
One more thing. John 3:17 states "might be saved" with regards to the world not the person that believes. And once again I see this whole section of John 3 as metaphorical, that the only begotten son of God does not only refer to Jesus but to good in general, and Jesus is the human embodiment of good, that's not to say that one cannot believe in good if they do not believe in Jesus. Just my opinion.
 

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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2004, 07:53:39 PM »
One thing I should point out is that I wasn't really a Christian ever. My family has never attended Church or discussed religion. We've never prayed together, nor even owned a Bible. So undoubtebly that should help make sense of things.

Thank You for answering, it doesn't really help my inquiry, but your honesty is more than appreciated.