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Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« on: May 06, 2004, 06:37:00 AM »
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2552288

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Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
By MARK O'KEEFE

As soon as Ingrid Mattson saw the photo of the smiling American woman soldier pointing at the genitals of a hooded, naked Iraqi prisoner, she knew it would touch a deep, inner chord in Muslims, no matter where they are.

That image and others like it assault on a visceral level core Islamic values such as modesty and dignity while evoking feelings of humiliation that non-Muslims may not fully understand, say Mattson and other scholars of Islam.

"This is definitely symbolic," said Mattson, a professor of Islamic studies at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut. "This soldier is symbolic of American force and the prisoner is symbolic of Muslim peoples. For the broader Muslim public, this will be a symbol of the subjugation and rape of Muslim lands."

"That picture will become the recruiting poster of radicals trying to attack the West," said Akbar Ahmed, a professor of Islamic studies at American University in Washington. "If Osama bin Laden had come to Madison Avenue and asked for an advertising image to help him recruit, this would be it."

In the United States, the full power of the images are only beginning to be realized, said Ahmed, an anthropologist trained in semiotics, the study of signs and symbols, and author of Islam Under Siege: Living Dangerously in a Post-Honor World.

So far, he said, the picture that seems to resonate most in the West is one showing a hooded and wired prisoner with his arms outstretched, like Christ suffering on the cross.

But the image Muslims will have seared on their psyche is the photo of the female American soldier, because it depicts an interaction brazenly crossing spiritual, societal and cultural boundaries.

"Here, you're getting one person representing one civilization pointing to the most vulnerable part of another person representing another civilization," said Ahmed, who is also a columnist for Religion News Service.

"It's gloating. It's triumphant, with an element of sadism and stupidity."

The display of skin is shocking enough in cultures where women's faces and sometimes entire bodies are customarily covered, and where men don't wear shorts or T-shirts, but modest, loose-fitting clothing, even when it's hot.

The claim that the abuse was "un-American," as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday, and "does not represent the America that I know," as President Bush put it Wednesday, does little to mitigate the damage, say Islamic scholars. That's because the images play perfectly to stereotypes of morally decadent Americans.



this is the photo the article is talking about.


and there are more photos to come...


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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2004, 06:45:50 AM »
that is one nasty, dirty, inbred bitch... they should imprison her with the same people she tortured
 

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2004, 06:52:26 AM »
that is one nasty, dirty, inbred bitch... they should imprison her with the same people she tortured

I want to welcome her home[united states]  ;D
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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2004, 07:06:59 AM »
that is one nasty, dirty, inbred bitch... they should imprison her with the same people she tortured

I want to welcome her home[united states]  ;D

yeah i know what it's like to have a close realitive so far from home  8)
 

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2004, 08:03:21 AM »
that is one nasty, dirty, inbred bitch... they should imprison her with the same people she tortured

I want to welcome her home[united states]  ;D

yeah i know what it's like to have a close realitive so far from home  8)

lol thats why I put United States in brackets...I don't have any relatives/friends in the military and proud of it  ;D
 

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2004, 08:06:43 AM »
that is one nasty, dirty, inbred bitch... they should imprison her with the same people she tortured

I want to welcome her home[united states]  ;D

yeah i know what it's like to have a close realitive so far from home  8)

lol thats why I put United States in brackets...I don't have any relatives/friends in the military and proud of it  ;D

stop lying, that's your kissing cousin in the picture
 

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2004, 08:30:59 AM »
I'm on the westside of Chicago, lookin' for a bust down
And make me put my two arms up, Touchdown!
You stay in touch now, but when I touch down
I'm like Buckshot shorty, "Duck Down"
Yeah I must clown, I'm from Harlem, Uptown
Where we flash money, take your bitch and ask you, what now?
Birds flip a dozen, chicks is dicks they suckin'
Swallow my kids, go and kiss they cousin
Guess, they kissing cousins, toys kissing muppets
Worst then that, they go home and kiss they husband
That shit's disgusting
Keep the chickens clucking, keep the pigeons buggin'
This on my wrist is nothing
It's just yellow hearts and pink diamonds
Where I get the money for this? Don't think rhymin'
You fucking with Pablo, Bravo, Mario Via Bolo ho, Ta-to

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2004, 11:36:44 AM »
I don't know why everyone has their panties in a twist and is acting so shocked, this type of shit has been going on in every war it's nothing new; however this time there was a snitch who leaked the photos to the media. Normally the military would just handle this in their own way but NO the general public has to put in their opinion and act outraged and now we have a giant problem on our hands. Yeah the soldier in that pic is definetly one hick ass bitch but let's not play stupid here and act like it's never happened before and demand that she is imprisoned or whatever, the military should handle this under wraps that way our media finds something important to pay attention to.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2004, 04:19:33 PM »
I'm on the westside of Chicago, lookin' for a bust down
And make me put my two arms up, Touchdown!
You stay in touch now, but when I touch down
I'm like Buckshot shorty, "Duck Down"
Yeah I must clown, I'm from Harlem, Uptown
Where we flash money, take your bitch and ask you, what now?
Birds flip a dozen, chicks is dicks they suckin'
Swallow my kids, go and kiss they cousin
Guess, they kissing cousins, toys kissing muppets
Worst then that, they go home and kiss they husband
That shit's disgusting
Keep the chickens clucking, keep the pigeons buggin'
This on my wrist is nothing
It's just yellow hearts and pink diamonds
Where I get the money for this? Don't think rhymin'
You fucking with Pablo, Bravo, Mario Via Bolo ho, Ta-to

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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2004, 08:35:03 PM »
lol I can't tell if your being sarcastic  ;D ^
 

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2004, 09:12:54 PM »
There's nothing "symbolic" about it.  Plain and simple, it's somebody on t.v. fucking with their people.  If I saw Americans on Iraqi television being mocked and made fun of (well, actually I do see Americans on Iraqi television being mocked and made fun of), It'd make my blood boil.  I can understand 100% why they're so pissed about it, they should be.  

What it comes down to, though, is this is the type of shit that happens when you're in War with people.  It's a fucking War.  We're killing Iraqis all over the fucking place.  They're killing Americans all over the place.  Some Iraqis are getting ridiculed and abused.  Americans are getting ridiculed and abused.  Such is the nature of the evil we call war.  


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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2004, 09:18:23 PM »
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"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2004, 09:27:00 PM »
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Re:Pictures of abuse symbolic to Muslims
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2004, 09:38:17 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2004, 10:13:29 PM »
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