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Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« on: May 07, 2004, 12:00:19 AM »
I'm sure u Bad Boy for real
Keep thinking shit is Peaches & Cream


Peaches & Cream (by 112)



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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2004, 12:08:05 AM »
"Brownsville deep in my genes/I'll SHOW you 'Bad Boy' for real, keep thinkin' shit is 'Peaches n Cream'"-Lil' Fame

Hence, since they got guns, he'll show what a "bad boy" is, if you think everything is all good. FAR FROM a diss. It's merely some dope wordplay.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2004, 04:02:28 PM »
"Brownsville deep in my genes/I'll SHOW you 'Bad Boy' for real, keep thinkin' shit is 'Peaches n Cream'"-Lil' Fame

Hence, since they got guns, he'll show what a "bad boy" is, if you think everything is all good. FAR FROM a diss. It's merely some dope wordplay.


Still.. it's a diss imo..
He's basically saying "Yall some fruit baskets, we got the guns, do we need to show you ?"

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2004, 07:52:27 PM »
So, wouldn't M.O.P. be dissing themselves? Remember they were on the "Bad Boys 4Life" remix. It is NOT a diss.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2004, 09:36:36 PM »
Been bumping that song since it came out, and not once did I consider that a diss. MOP are down with Puff and Bad Boy, like SGV said, why else would they be on Bad Boy material?
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2004, 01:50:47 AM »
yeah i never considered it a diss but i always loved the line
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2004, 05:43:19 AM »
word, my favorite line of the whole song actually and MOP dissin Bad boy wouldn't make no sense
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2004, 08:30:09 PM »
So, wouldn't M.O.P. be dissing themselves? Remember they were on the "Bad Boys 4Life" remix. It is NOT a diss.

"I'll show you +Bad Boy+ for real, Keep thinkin shit is +Peaches and Cream+"

It's a kick in the side to whoever made that Peaches and Cream joint, and basically saying that they're not "Bad Boys".. I assume they are one of Puffys r'n'b-acts, so he's not dissing Puffy himself, is he..
It's nothing big, but it's BY FAR a shoutout.


 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2004, 05:14:56 AM »
yall fooz keep forgetting

when it comes to MOP collaborating with somebody doesn't necessarily mean they won't diss him   8)


* bumps "Keepin It Gangsta remix" *



it is a kind of a diss
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2004, 09:12:57 AM »
"I don't want to get fucked like Tupac in jail"-Chino

Not a diss, just a similie.

"You won't be around next year, like Skee-Lo"-Chino

Again, not a diss. These are all examples of slick metaphors/similies.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2004, 09:26:19 AM »
"I don't want to get fucked like Tupac in jail"-Chino

Uhmm I think that's a diss lol he says 2Pac got fucked in jail.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2004, 05:39:19 PM »
"I don't want to get fucked like Tupac in jail"-Chino

LMAO, how is that not a diss.. ??

So if I said "I ain't gonna diss my fam and be a faggot like that white boy Em", then that would not be a diss.. ?



yall fooz keep forgetting

when it comes to MOP collaborating with somebody doesn't necessarily mean they won't diss him   8)


* bumps "Keepin It Gangsta remix" *

it is a kind of a diss

Yup..

[Lil' Fame]
(...)
You gangsta ?, Paul whatever (haha), cause for real if I ever ever (What!)
Ever ever, catch yo ass flippin', I'm gonna pop a collar (BOOM)
It's Womack!, and tell yo bitch, holla !!



« Last Edit: May 09, 2004, 05:40:34 PM by Jome »
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2004, 06:50:57 PM »
"I don't want to get fucked like Tupac in jail"-Chino

LMAO, how is that not a diss.. ??

So if I said "I ain't gonna diss my fam and be a faggot like that white boy Em", then that would not be a diss.. ?


well technically jome what you said is wrong...if you said "I Ain't gonna diss my fam like that whiteboy eminem" you could compare those...but to compare the line that you made to that would only work of someone said "i don't want to get fucked in jail like that homo 2pac"
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2004, 08:13:40 PM »
well technically jome what you said is wrong...if you said "I Ain't gonna diss my fam like that whiteboy eminem" you could compare those...but to compare the line that you made to that would only work of someone said "i don't want to get fucked in jail like that homo 2pac"

You get the point, I just pushed it..

There's no proof that Pac has been raped in jail, and there's no proof that Em is gay.
So when you say it, using it as a metaphor, you more or less conclude that it's the truth, and that's a diss.

If you said e.g. "He snitched to the cops like Puffy did Shyne", it would be more fact based..

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2004, 09:07:02 PM »
well technically jome what you said is wrong...if you said "I Ain't gonna diss my fam like that whiteboy eminem" you could compare those...but to compare the line that you made to that would only work of someone said "i don't want to get fucked in jail like that homo 2pac"

You get the point, I just pushed it..

There's no proof that Pac has been raped in jail, and there's no proof that Em is gay.
So when you say it, using it as a metaphor, you more or less conclude that it's the truth, and that's a diss.

If you said e.g. "He snitched to the cops like Puffy did Shyne", it would be more fact based..



i dont think theres anymore proof puff snitched than pac got his fudge packed
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2004, 09:09:41 PM »
Chino said it himself, there was no beef. They're metaphors man!

Jome, you have NO perception of what a diss is. Fame did NOT say "Paul, whatever." He said "You gangsta? Awww, Whatever!"

M.O.P. did NOT diss 112, Bad Boy or Diddy. People need to comprehend these disses better.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2004, 11:51:02 PM »
Chino said it himself, there was no beef. They're metaphors man!

Jome, you have NO perception of what a diss is. Fame did NOT say "Paul, whatever." He said "You gangsta? Awww, Whatever!"

M.O.P. did NOT diss 112, Bad Boy or Diddy. People need to comprehend these disses better.


Yeah, like Chino is gonna say "Fuck Pac" after he's dead, of course he's denying it.. ::)
Fame does NOT say "Awww", it's either "Paul" or "Pa"


"I'll show you +Bad Boy+ for real, Keep thinkin shit is +Peaches and Cream+"

You think that's a shoutout or props.. ??  :-X

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2004, 11:52:49 PM »
Chino said it himself, there was no beef. They're metaphors man!

Jome, you have NO perception of what a diss is. Fame did NOT say "Paul, whatever." He said "You gangsta? Awww, Whatever!"

M.O.P. did NOT diss 112, Bad Boy or Diddy. People need to comprehend these disses better.


Yeah, like Chino is gonna say "Fuck Pac" after he's dead, of course he's denying it.. ::)
Fame does NOT say "Awww", it's either "Paul" or "Pa"


"I'll show you +Bad Boy+ for real, Keep thinkin shit is +Peaches and Cream+"

You think that's a shoutout or props.. ??  :-X



its not props or a diss...its just clever word play
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2004, 12:10:13 AM »


Yeah, like Chino is gonna say "Fuck Pac" after he's dead, of course he's denying it.. ::)
Fame does NOT say "Awww", it's either "Paul" or "Pa"


"I'll show you +Bad Boy+ for real, Keep thinkin shit is +Peaches and Cream+"

You think that's a shoutout or props.. ??  :-X



Chino stated that before Pac died.  :-X

Whatever Fame says, it's NOT Paul. You're not hearing it right.

And to answer your question:


its not props or a diss...its just clever word play

Thank you for your time.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2004, 08:11:26 AM »
Whatever Fame says, it's NOT Paul. You're not hearing it right.

if anybody's not hearin it right it's you cause one can clearly hear him saying "P".. there's no way he's sayin "aaw"..

+ Fame dissed him in an interview too when saying he didn't check the og cause he only likes gangsta shit which is pretty disrespectful considering that Fabolous is singing "ya know who keepin it gangsta" and talking about him being a g on the whole track

so yet again.. would he diss somebody he collaborated with before?

-yes

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I doubt the creator of this thread inteded to define the thin line between what yall consider a "diss" or a "kind of disrespectful similie"
the point is: Fame implied that Puffy/the label/the artists.. ain't real "bad boys"

you might call it
Quote
just clever yet disrespectful word play
if it makes you feel better
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2004, 11:24:23 AM »
If it's a 'P', he probably says "Pa." As in Papi. But, it AIN'T Paul.

You would be dissing yourself if you're dissing the same artists you're collabing with.

And, no, there is no disrespect in that line. People read into things WAY too much.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2004, 01:34:30 PM »
It's a p. I can't tell for sure that he's saying Paul but neither can u that he ain't and since he obiously doesn't care what Fab thinks anyway (if he did he wouldn't basically call him a fake g in the interview) I don't see why he couldn't have said 'Paul'

I think as long as he doesn't act like they real when collaborating with them (for instance saying sth like "me and the G'd up homie Fabolous...") he's not dissing himself.. he openly tells what he thinks about him, if the guy still wants to help him out by putting him on his album that's his thang/problem.. imo
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2004, 05:29:08 PM »
Chino stated that before Pac died.  :-X

Whatever, he could have gotten afraid or something..

If I said "You tricks getting beat up in gay clubs like SGV", then that would NOT be a diss to you, but clever wordplay.. ?



if anybody's not hearin it right it's you cause one can clearly hear him saying "P".. there's no way he's sayin "aaw"..

+ Fame dissed him in an interview too when saying he didn't check the og cause he only likes gangsta shit which is pretty disrespectful considering that Fabolous is singing "ya know who keepin it gangsta" and talking about him being a g on the whole track

so yet again.. would he diss somebody he collaborated with before?

-yes


Yup.

You would be dissing yourself if you're dissing the same artists you're collabing with.

Hahahaha.
50 collaboed with Justin Timberlake cuz he had a hot Timbaland beat, and then called Justin pussywhipped or something similar..

M.O.P. got on a pretty hot beat more or less destined for them to be on, since it was called "Keeping it gangsta", and then went to say that they don't check for Fabolous, since they only check gangstashit..

E40 did tracks with Justin Timberlake, Chingy, Nelly, Murphy Lee, and even Nick Cannon!!
Would he be dissing himself if he make disrespectful remarks to one of them.. ??
If he was dissing one of the tracks himself was featured on, yes, otherwise, probably not.
E.g. if 40 said "St.Lunatics album was shitty" would that be a diss to himself.. ?
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2004, 07:51:37 PM »

Whatever, he could have gotten afraid or something..

If I said "You tricks getting beat up in gay clubs like SGV", then that would NOT be a diss to you, but clever wordplay.. ?
LOL @ he could've gotten afraid. Horrible reasoning.

If you could give me a better example then maybe I'd agree with you, but that was a horrible attempt at writing a hot line. Just because someone's name is stated, that doesn't automatically mean they're getting dissed.


Hahahaha.
50 collaboed with Justin Timberlake cuz he had a hot Timbaland beat, and then called Justin pussywhipped or something similar..

M.O.P. got on a pretty hot beat more or less destined for them to be on, since it was called "Keeping it gangsta", and then went to say that they don't check for Fabolous, since they only check gangstashit..

E40 did tracks with Justin Timberlake, Chingy, Nelly, Murphy Lee, and even Nick Cannon!!
Would he be dissing himself if he make disrespectful remarks to one of them.. ??
If he was dissing one of the tracks himself was featured on, yes, otherwise, probably not.
E.g. if 40 said "St.Lunatics album was shitty" would that be a diss to himself.. ?

50 and E-40 hardly collabed with Justin. They busted verses on his beat. Justin collabed with The Clipse, Neptunes, Bubba Sparxxx, those were collabs. Horrible perception Jome. M.O.P. dissing someone for not being gangsta, yet being on a track where they claim to be gangsta is contradicting. On one hand the MO-Pz are co-signing "Yea, Fab and Cain are G's." Then they turn around and say "Na, you're not a G." Hence, they're making themselves look dumb.

LMAO @ EVEN NICK CANNON! What is that supposed to mean? Nick Cannon has collabed with R.Kelly(he collabed with Jay-Z, Cash Money, Biggie), Busta Rhymes(he collabed with 50...), Fat Joe(he collabed with KRS-One), etc. LMAO @ You.

That's like saying, 50 collabed with Missy, Lil Kim, even JOE!  ::)

Now, about your example. 40 saying "The St. Lunatics album sucked," that's not making himself look dumb. He never collabed with them 1, and 2, he had nothing to do with the album. Now, if he hopped on Nelly's song and said "This song sucks!" Then he'd be clowning himself.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2004, 08:12:07 PM »
LOL @ he could've gotten afraid. Horrible reasoning.

If you could give me a better example then maybe I'd agree with you, but that was a horrible attempt at writing a hot line. Just because someone's name is stated, that doesn't automatically mean they're getting dissed.


Of course he could have gotten afraid, maybe he regret it or they squared up or something..

The example was good, I wasn't trying to make a hot line, but simple so you would get the point.

You use "Pac got fucked in jail" as a metaphor, you're dissing him, period!!!!
(Unless Pac pose in magazines "Pac reveals: I got raped in jail".. like a rapper would do that)


50 and E-40 hardly collabed with Justin. They busted verses on his beat. Justin collabed with The Clipse, Neptunes, Bubba Sparxxx, those were collabs. Horrible perception Jome. M.O.P. dissing someone for not being gangsta, yet being on a track where they claim to be gangsta is contradicting. On one hand the MO-Pz are co-signing "Yea, Fab and Cain are G's." Then they turn around and say "Na, you're not a G." Hence, they're making themselves look dumb.

LMAO @ EVEN NICK CANNON! What is that supposed to mean? Nick Cannon has collabed with R.Kelly(he collabed with Jay-Z, Cash Money, Biggie), Busta Rhymes(he collabed with 50...), Fat Joe(he collabed with KRS-One), etc. LMAO @ You.

That's like saying, 50 collabed with Missy, Lil Kim, even JOE!  ::)

Now, about your example. 40 saying "The St. Lunatics album sucked," that's not making himself look dumb. He never collabed with them 1, and 2, he had nothing to do with the album. Now, if he hopped on Nelly's song and said "This song sucks!" Then he'd be clowning himself.

Horrible arguments..
Missy & Lil Kim is far more hiphop than Nick Cannon.
Isn't Nelly & Murphy Lee part of St.Lunatics.. ??  ::)

Dissing the wannabe gangsta you're collabing with on the same track (or talking about the track in interviews) is gangsta, end of story.