Author Topic: Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??  (Read 755 times)

Jome

Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2004, 08:14:59 PM »
What REALLY would be fake, would be:

Fame: "Uhhh, Fabolous.. ?? He's dope.. He bringing that real gangstashit"


If the interviewer asks, why be a phony or avoid the question.. ?
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2004, 10:12:36 PM »


Of course he could have gotten afraid, maybe he regret it or they squared up or something..

The example was good, I wasn't trying to make a hot line, but simple so you would get the point.

You use "Pac got fucked in jail" as a metaphor, you're dissing him, period!!!!
(Unless Pac pose in magazines "Pac reveals: I got raped in jail".. like a rapper would do that)
You don't know Chino or anything about the situation, so don't bring that WEAK arguement. Chino used "fucked" as a double meaning. He used it in a way that meant, "I don't want to catch a bad deal" hence, "get fucked." The "Pac in jail" tied in as that has been a rumor for YEARS. That's clever. Your line was not clever, at all.


Horrible arguments..
Missy & Lil Kim is far more hiphop than Nick Cannon.
Isn't Nelly & Murphy Lee part of St.Lunatics.. ??  ::)

Dissing the wannabe gangsta you're collabing with on the same track (or talking about the track in interviews) is gangsta, end of story.



LMAO @ more Hip Hop. What makes someone more Hip Hop? This will be good.

Nelly and Murph are from the St. Lunatics, but that don't mean 40 collabed with the Lunatics. Just because someone collabed with E.D.I. and Noble that don't mean they collabed with Outlawz. LOL @ Jome.

Collabing with a wannabe gangsta on a track that claims his "gangstaness," then turning around saying he's not gangsta is contradicting.
 

Jome

Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2004, 12:04:56 AM »
You don't know Chino or anything about the situation, so don't bring that WEAK arguement. Chino used "fucked" as a double meaning. He used it in a way that meant, "I don't want to catch a bad deal" hence, "get fucked." The "Pac in jail" tied in as that has been a rumor for YEARS. That's clever. Your line was not clever, at all.

It's not all that clever.. you basically have no argument.

If you use a rumour in a way like that, it's a diss + you're concluding that it really happened.

There's also RUMOURS that 50 snitched on somebody, but there's no proof..(except Murder Incs photoshop legal papers) so if I used "You'z a snitch like 50" then that wouldn't be a diss.. ?

You use "Pac got fucked in jail" as a metaphor, you're dissing him, let's end it there.



Nelly and Murph are from the St. Lunatics, but that don't mean 40 collabed with the Lunatics. Just because someone collabed with E.D.I. and Noble that don't mean they collabed with Outlawz. LOL @ Jome.

Collabing with a wannabe gangsta on a track that claims his "gangstaness," then turning around saying he's not gangsta is contradicting.

LOL @ yourself.
Nelly & Murphy = St.Lunatics, fuck outta here.

If you work with 50 & Banks, you worked with G-Unit, if you worked with Xzibit & Ras Kass, you worked with Golden State..

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2004, 01:03:36 AM »


It's not all that clever.. you basically have no argument.

If you use a rumour in a way like that, it's a diss + you're concluding that it really happened.

There's also RUMOURS that 50 snitched on somebody, but there's no proof..(except Murder Incs photoshop legal papers) so if I used "You'z a snitch like 50" then that wouldn't be a diss.. ?

You use "Pac got fucked in jail" as a metaphor, you're dissing him, let's end it there.


LMAO. What's not clever? You're example? Why yes, it wasn't. Thanks for proving my point.

You obviously don't understand how Chino used the metaphor. Lyricism is lost on you.


LOL @ yourself.
Nelly & Murphy = St.Lunatics, fuck outta here.

If you work with 50 & Banks, you worked with G-Unit, if you worked with Xzibit & Ras Kass, you worked with Golden State..



What about Ali and Kyjuan? They're the other 2 members.

What about Buck and Yayo? They're apart of the group.

And Saafir? LMAO.

I'm gonna make a CD and get MC Ren & Yella on it. Then I'm gonna put "Featuring N.W.A.!" And when everyone checks, they'll disapointed because Cube and Dre aren't there. Hence, it wouldn't be N.W.A.

You can't collab with a group, unless you've collabed with the entire group. How does that make sense at all? Jome....You're a character.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2004, 02:16:36 AM »
you guys have gotten off subject...imo opinion that chino xl line is more of a diss than not....but the MOP line is completely different than that one...all they did was use clever word play...they didn't say "I'll show you bad boy for real like them faggots singin bout peaches n cream"

jome every line that you've used as an example has had some sort of direct diss like fag or bitch or something like that...mop didnt do that.
 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2004, 07:03:55 AM »
LOL @ he could've gotten afraid. Horrible reasoning.

actually it's less horrible than u think it is, in an interview Chino said that he was afraid to walk around in his own hood after dissing Pac (before Pac died) cause everyone was on Pac's dick at the time


the keepin it gangsta remix says "featuring The Lox & M.O.P." though Sheek ain't on it..(just one of countless examples) it doesn't have to be the entire group to call it a group feature

but that's off topic anyway

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2004, 11:40:26 AM »
LOL at everyone arguing over that Chino line when no one's even quoted it right.

The line is "By this industry, I'm trying not to get fucked like Tupac in jail."

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

The first way to accept is that he's saying Pac got raped and he's trying not to be similarly 'fucked' by the industry. That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

But if you think about it, he could also be saying that Pac would be trying not to get fucked in jail, like Chino in the industry: "I'm trying not to get fucked - like Tupac in jail."

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.
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Jome

Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2004, 12:17:13 PM »
You obviously don't understand how Chino used the metaphor. Lyricism is lost on you.

Obviously, such a simple, yet effective line, made you go "WHHHHOOOOAAA", but the metaphor is simple as fuck, and you must be really simple minded too if you was THAT impressed by the line.
Don't gas yourself over that line, better lines are made every other day.

I'm gonna make a CD and get MC Ren & Yella on it. Then I'm gonna put "Featuring N.W.A.!" And when everyone checks, they'll disapointed because Cube and Dre aren't there. Hence, it wouldn't be N.W.A.

You can't collab with a group, unless you've collabed with the entire group. How does that make sense at all? Jome....You're a character.

Who's the character..  ::)

If you're working with more than 50%-66% or 2/3rd of a group which happens to be the main members, you can safely say that you worked with the group..  

You work with Styles & Jada, you worked with the Lox.., you work with Ren, Dre and Cube, you worked with NWA.
So you would say that Snoop DID NOT work with NWA, cuz Eazy-E is dead and Yella wasn't on the track.. ??


you guys have gotten off subject...imo opinion that chino xl line is more of a diss than not....

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actually it's less horrible than u think it is, in an interview Chino said that he was afraid to walk around in his own hood after dissing Pac (before Pac died) cause everyone was on Pac's dick at the time

the keepin it gangsta remix says "featuring The Lox & M.O.P." though Sheek ain't on it..(just one of countless examples) it doesn't have to be the entire group to call it a group feature


Yes 1 and yes 2.
Good post.
How can SGV come back from the first one.. ??

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.

Contradictive..
Chino KNEW Pac was gonna take it as a diss, and Pac took it as a diss.
Thereby - it's a DISS !

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2004, 12:26:28 PM »

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.

Contradictive..
Chino KNEW Pac was gonna take it as a diss, and Pac took it as a diss.
Thereby - it's a DISS !



I see what you're saying, but Chino suspecting Pac would take it as a diss doesn't make it a diss. It's about intention, not perception. I copped the Chino album when it dropped, and in eight years I've never viewed that line as an attack on Pac - it's a humorous simile. What I will give you is that if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it - the mood Pac was in at that time he could even have taken a clear shout out as a diss...

Oh, and there's no such word as "contradictive" - you mean "contradictory" :P ;)
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Jome

Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2004, 01:00:36 PM »
I see what you're saying, but Chino suspecting Pac would take it as a diss doesn't make it a diss. It's about intention, not perception. I copped the Chino album when it dropped, and in eight years I've never viewed that line as an attack on Pac - it's a humorous simile. What I will give you is that if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it - the mood Pac was in at that time he could even have taken a clear shout out as a diss...

Oh, and there's no such word as "contradictive" - you mean "contradictory" :P ;)

contradictive

\Con`tra*dict"ive\, a. Contradictory; inconsistent  ;)

It's not only about intention, it's also about perception.
Like you said: if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it.
That line is more than a vague diss or a indirect metaphor.

 

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Re:Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2004, 01:11:29 PM »

contradictive

\Con`tra*dict"ive\, a. Contradictory; inconsistent  ;)




rofl... you got me man, I admit defeat - that'll teach me for trying to be clever ;D
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