Gang Starr - Who Got Gunz: dissing Bad Boy, Puffy??

[W-Side]

LOL @ he could've gotten afraid. Horrible reasoning.

actually it's less horrible than u think it is, in an interview Chino said that he was afraid to walk around in his own hood after dissing Pac (before Pac died) cause everyone was on Pac's dick at the time


the keepin it gangsta remix says "featuring The Lox & M.O.P." though Sheek ain't on it..(just one of countless examples) it doesn't have to be the entire group to call it a group feature

but that's off topic anyway

[Lord Funk]

LOL at everyone arguing over that Chino line when no one's even quoted it right.

The line is "By this industry, I'm trying not to get fucked like Tupac in jail."

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

The first way to accept is that he's saying Pac got raped and he's trying not to be similarly 'fucked' by the industry. That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

But if you think about it, he could also be saying that Pac would be trying not to get fucked in jail, like Chino in the industry: "I'm trying not to get fucked - like Tupac in jail."

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.

[Jome]

You obviously don't understand how Chino used the metaphor. Lyricism is lost on you.

Obviously, such a simple, yet effective line, made you go "WHHHHOOOOAAA", but the metaphor is simple as fuck, and you must be really simple minded too if you was THAT impressed by the line.
Don't gas yourself over that line, better lines are made every other day.

I'm gonna make a CD and get MC Ren & Yella on it. Then I'm gonna put "Featuring N.W.A.!" And when everyone checks, they'll disapointed because Cube and Dre aren't there. Hence, it wouldn't be N.W.A.

You can't collab with a group, unless you've collabed with the entire group. How does that make sense at all? Jome....You're a character.

Who's the character..  

If you're working with more than 50%-66% or 2/3rd of a group which happens to be the main members, you can safely say that you worked with the group..  

You work with Styles & Jada, you worked with the Lox.., you work with Ren, Dre and Cube, you worked with NWA.
So you would say that Snoop DID NOT work with NWA, cuz Eazy-E is dead and Yella wasn't on the track.. ??

you guys have gotten off subject...imo opinion that chino xl line is more of a diss than not....

Yes, thank you.
SGV: "If you can't win the argument, start another or focus on the examples"

actually it's less horrible than u think it is, in an interview Chino said that he was afraid to walk around in his own hood after dissing Pac (before Pac died) cause everyone was on Pac's dick at the time

the keepin it gangsta remix says "featuring The Lox & M.O.P." though Sheek ain't on it..(just one of countless examples) it doesn't have to be the entire group to call it a group feature

Yes 1 and yes 2.
Good post.
How can SGV come back from the first one.. ??

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.

Contradictive..
Chino KNEW Pac was gonna take it as a diss, and Pac took it as a diss.
Thereby - it's a DISS !

[Lord Funk]

There's no way that it can conclusively be taken as a diss. Break it down these two ways.

That's not a diss as such, but clearly Pac would find it offensive - who wouldn't?

Ultimately it's word play. Pac saying "Chino XL - fuck you too!", that's a diss.

Contradictive..
Chino KNEW Pac was gonna take it as a diss, and Pac took it as a diss.
Thereby - it's a DISS !

I see what you're saying, but Chino suspecting Pac would take it as a diss doesn't make it a diss. It's about intention, not perception. I copped the Chino album when it dropped, and in eight years I've never viewed that line as an attack on Pac - it's a humorous simile. What I will give you is that if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it - the mood Pac was in at that time he could even have taken a clear shout out as a diss...

Oh, and there's no such word as "contradictive" - you mean "contradictory"

[Jome]

I see what you're saying, but Chino suspecting Pac would take it as a diss doesn't make it a diss. It's about intention, not perception. I copped the Chino album when it dropped, and in eight years I've never viewed that line as an attack on Pac - it's a humorous simile. What I will give you is that if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it - the mood Pac was in at that time he could even have taken a clear shout out as a diss...

Oh, and there's no such word as "contradictive" - you mean "contradictory"

contradictive

\Con`tra*dict"ive\, a. Contradictory; inconsistent  

It's not only about intention, it's also about perception.
Like you said: if Chino had any doubts or concerns he shouldn't have said it.
That line is more than a vague diss or a indirect metaphor.

[Lord Funk]

contradictive

\Con`tra*dict"ive\, a. Contradictory; inconsistent  

rofl... you got me man, I admit defeat - that'll teach me for trying to be clever