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Was the Berg killing justtfied?

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JTSimon

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Was the Berg killing justified?
« on: May 15, 2004, 08:44:00 AM »
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

Looking at those photos again and hearing Congress talk about 1800 more pictures plus videos being worse than this.

And GOP(republicans) leaders are pushing for the pictures to not be released.


What was Al Qaeda motive besides revenge for the prisoner abuse by cutting his head off ? opinions
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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2004, 08:54:35 AM »
Fuck whoever says its justified, its not justified, the way they killed him. Why not do it quick, they made it as pain ful & bloody as they could. Revenge killing maybe more justifyable than a killing for nothing, but its still not right,  especially in that manner
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2004, 09:02:05 AM »
Fuck whoever says its justified, its not justified, the way they killed him. Why not do it quick, they made it as pain ful & bloody as they could. Revenge killing maybe more justifyable than a killing for nothing, but its still not right,  especially in that manner

Read my last question?
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2004, 09:18:20 AM »
off course not... but usa have no right being in iraq
 

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2004, 09:18:28 AM »
he's not fully al qaeda he's just affiliated with them, he has his own group of militants that work seperately from al qaeda but both of their goals are the same...
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2004, 10:56:29 AM »
we just talked about this but i guess this should be its own topic. ill bring back some of my arguements.

First off, No, this was no justified. i mean if i saw somene punching my brother does that give me the right to kill him...no. This was SO MUCH worse then what we did to them. As stated above....they did this to be the most painful bloody thing. they SAWED his head off no CHOPPED. for anyone who saw the video you know what they did.

OK YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REVENGE? About a couple of months ago some american were in fallujah, iraq. They killed 4 or so americans. After that they preceded to set fire to one of the bodies. They then tore off body parts of 2 others, and threw the arms and legs around like they were sticks. They then hung the bodies on a bridge laughing and screaming. This was an outrage to us americans.

So isnt it justifiable to say that since they did that to us then we could do the iraqi prison abuse to them? i see no difference and niether should you. im not in anyway condoning the prison abuse. But if you can sit there and say the beheading was justified then you better fucking say that we were justified by there actions. read all about it on this link. its got some beautiful pictures as well. These picture below could make me care less about iraqi peoples well being.

WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. (not graphic like the iraqi prison photos...actually graphic)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/fallujah_31mar04/

ok short answer No not justified.



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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2004, 11:32:50 AM »
Did he torture Iraqi prisoners? NO, SO IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED...Holy shit, you have to be stupid to even ask this question.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2004, 11:42:02 AM »
^ and beyond that.

most of the "civilised world" outside america doesnt think death is ever a fitting punishment.
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2004, 03:41:36 PM »



What was Al Qaeda motive besides revenge for the prisoner abuse by cutting his head off ? opinions

Nick Berg was killed simply because he was American and Jewish. As for their motive, what was the motive when the Italian hostage was executed in Iraq last month, or when the 4 American civilains were murdered, dismembered, dragged, and hung, or when Muslims beheaded Daniel Pearle in Pakistan, or when Abu Sayaf Muslims beheaded the American missionary couple in the Phillipines a year ago, or when Muslims commit any of the hundreds and hundreds of violent terrorist attacks.

Their motive is that they are Islamic psychopaths who want to kill anyone who is different.
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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2004, 04:10:02 PM »
yea i agree ^^^

But think of it this way. This beheading is nothing new to these muslims....

Remember Daniel pearl anyone????  Heres a quick tip. THERE WAS NO IRAQ WAR WHEN HE WAS BEHEADED. The muslims beheaded him pureley because he was jewish. They kidnapped him, made him say to the camera he was jewish, and they beheaded him.

lets face it those guys muslims who beheaded Nick berg just wanted an excuse to behead another jew. If this was the first time i wouldve said otherwise, but this beheading isnt anything new. there just after jews.
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2004, 12:18:56 AM »



What was Al Qaeda motive besides revenge for the prisoner abuse by cutting his head off ? opinions

Nick Berg was killed simply because he was American and Jewish. As for their motive, what was the motive when the Italian hostage was executed in Iraq last month, or when the 4 American civilains were murdered, dismembered, dragged, and hung, or when Muslims beheaded Daniel Pearle in Pakistan, or when Abu Sayaf Muslims beheaded the American missionary couple in the Phillipines a year ago, or when Muslims commit any of the hundreds and hundreds of violent terrorist attacks.

Their motive is that they are Islamic psychopaths who want to kill anyone who is different.

Exactly. They want us to convert to muslim or islam or whatever it is. I have no problem with religion, if they wanna be a muslim fine. But the problem is these terrorists (no definately not saying all muslims are terrorists at all) just want to kill people who dont follow there religions. Sure not all terrorists are in it for those reasons, but i've heard the reason been given for there hate for the Western world is to do with the fact that the western world is largely Christian or other religion other than Islamic/Muslim & they believe we are part of some "holy war"
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2004, 12:51:45 AM »

OK YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REVENGE? About a couple of months ago some american were in fallujah, iraq. They killed 4 or so americans. After that they preceded to set fire to one of the bodies. They then tore off body parts of 2 others, and threw the arms and legs around like they were sticks. They then hung the bodies on a bridge laughing and screaming. This was an outrage to us americans.

They were 4 Blackwater mercenaries...they fight for money but you probably didn't know that.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Do some research  :D
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2004, 01:00:43 AM »



What was Al Qaeda motive besides revenge for the prisoner abuse by cutting his head off ? opinions

Nick Berg was killed simply because he was American and Jewish. As for their motive, what was the motive when the Italian hostage was executed in Iraq last month, or when the 4 American civilains were murdered, dismembered, dragged, and hung, or when Muslims beheaded Daniel Pearle in Pakistan, or when Abu Sayaf Muslims beheaded the American missionary couple in the Phillipines a year ago, or when Muslims commit any of the hundreds and hundreds of violent terrorist attacks.

Their motive is that they are Islamic psychopaths who want to kill anyone who is different.

Exactly. They want us to convert to muslim or islam or whatever it is. I have no problem with religion, if they wanna be a muslim fine. But the problem is these terrorists (no definately not saying all muslims are terrorists at all) just want to kill people who dont follow there religions. Sure not all terrorists are in it for those reasons, but i've heard the reason been given for there hate for the Western world is to do with the fact that the western world is largely Christian or other religion other than Islamic/Muslim & they believe we are part of some "holy war"

And because they support the Jews and because US troops are occupying the Islamic holy land and the western world has been screwing them especially in the last 75 years.

 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2004, 04:52:25 AM »
aghhhh just stop your whining  8)
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 07:24:26 AM »

OK YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REVENGE? About a couple of months ago some american were in fallujah, iraq. They killed 4 or so americans. After that they preceded to set fire to one of the bodies. They then tore off body parts of 2 others, and threw the arms and legs around like they were sticks. They then hung the bodies on a bridge laughing and screaming. This was an outrage to us americans.

They were 4 Blackwater mercenaries...they fight for money but you probably didn't know that.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Do some research  :D
well according to their site...

"Blackwater has the finest private firearms training facility in the U.S. Blackwater has set a new standard for firearms and security training and is recognized as the industry leader in providing government outsource solutions in training, security, canine services, aviation support services, range construction and steel target equipment. Since its inception, Blackwater has trained over 50,000 military and law enforcement personnel and provided solutions to hundreds of satisfied customers."

they train military personel. they werent hired as mercenaries. they were american citizens.
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 06:48:40 PM »
The murder of four American contractors in Iraq, while working for Blackwater USA, put these civilians, employed by the American armed forces, in the news. Blackwater continues to recruit for all sorts of jobs the military needs done, and doesn’t have troops available to do. This is typical in wartime, where there is often insufficient time to recruit and train people with needed skills. What Blackwater does is draw upon the large number of retired military people who are able, and willing (for a price) to return to doing what they did before they left, or retired, from the military. Most of these jobs are not about using weapons. For example, a recent Blackwater recruiting effort sought to obtain six people for a “Military Crisis Operations Support Team.” This is basically a liaison and communications job. Blackwater was looking for two team leaders (officers with Chief of Staff experience, meaning colonels or lieutenant-colonels), and four to do analyst and communicator chores. The two team leaders are being offered $100,000-150,000 a year, while the others are offered $70,000-90,000 a year. This includes full health benefits and up to 25 percent Danger Pay. Travel expenses are also covered, as some of the work is expected to be overseas. Anyone hired has to be able to leave for an overseas assignment with 72 hours notice. All candidates must, of course, be in good health and have, or be able to get, a Top Secret security clearance. While many of these jobs are usually filled by retirees, recent veterans are also much in demand. There are seven million military American veterans (including retirees) between 20-50 years of age. To put this in perspective, consider that there are currently 2.5 million active duty and reserve troops available (some of the reservists are veterans). This means there are over nine million people in the United States with military training, and at least a few million people that outfits like Blackwater can recruit from.


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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2004, 08:13:15 PM »
hey thats pretty interesting nice post

but the iraqis didnt know that they worked for blackwater right? they just knew they were american?
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
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What was Al Qaeda motive besides revenge for the prisoner abuse by cutting his head off ? opinions

Nick Berg was killed simply because he was American and Jewish. As for their motive, what was the motive when the Italian hostage was executed in Iraq last month, or when the 4 American civilains were murdered, dismembered, dragged, and hung, or when Muslims beheaded Daniel Pearle in Pakistan, or when Abu Sayaf Muslims beheaded the American missionary couple in the Phillipines a year ago, or when Muslims commit any of the hundreds and hundreds of violent terrorist attacks.

Their motive is that they are Islamic psychopaths who want to kill anyone who is different.

Exactly. They want us to convert to muslim or islam or whatever it is. I have no problem with religion, if they wanna be a muslim fine. But the problem is these terrorists (no definately not saying all muslims are terrorists at all) just want to kill people who dont follow there religions. Sure not all terrorists are in it for those reasons, but i've heard the reason been given for there hate for the Western world is to do with the fact that the western world is largely Christian or other religion other than Islamic/Muslim & they believe we are part of some "holy war"

And because they support the Jews and because US troops are occupying the Islamic holy land and the western world has been screwing them especially in the last 75 years.



Thats the point... you just proved my point

As soon as you said "...and..." you just admitted that there is still a reason remaining behind the terrorism, so even if they stopped supporting the jews & the US troops with drew, there is still reason, a stupid petty & controlling reason at that, for them to hate & attack us

What gives these muslims the right to tell us we must convert to islam or we are free game to be killed in a stupid pointless terrorist attack?

Thats why these terrorists will never stop, they already have reasons in there head to attack us, reasons that we cant change.
 

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Re:Was the Berg killing justified?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2004, 09:39:03 PM »
First of all, I would like to say that rampant is an idiot, and im still waiting on you giving me your address so i can knock on your door and sock you in the face and walk away

and 2nd, No the killing was not justified.
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2004, 11:14:52 PM »
Its funny that Kain670 has yet to reply to what I said, its not like he hasnt been on today. Whats wrong Kain cat got your tongue
 

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2004, 01:18:47 AM »
I wanna know which 2 people voted that it was justified...
 

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2004, 03:24:24 AM »
I wanna know which 2 people voted that it was justified...

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty who were the first 2 votes. See when this thread was made i was the 2nd person to have voted & the first one to reply. The person who made the thread would've most likely voted first

When i voted, there was 1 for each side, with of course myself being the 1 who voted that it wasnt justified, & the other person had said it was justified. So obviously it was probably the person who started the thread, unless he didnt vote at that time
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2004, 09:29:33 PM »
Nope not justified,
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2004, 09:45:16 PM »
I wanna know which 2 people voted that it was justified...

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty who were the first 2 votes. See when this thread was made i was the 2nd person to have voted & the first one to reply. The person who made the thread would've most likely voted first

When i voted, there was 1 for each side, with of course myself being the 1 who voted that it wasnt justified, & the other person had said it was justified. So obviously it was probably the person who started the thread, unless he didnt vote at that time

Stop repeating yourself Sherlock.
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2004, 02:24:07 AM »
I wanna know which 2 people voted that it was justified...

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty who were the first 2 votes. See when this thread was made i was the 2nd person to have voted & the first one to reply. The person who made the thread would've most likely voted first

When i voted, there was 1 for each side, with of course myself being the 1 who voted that it wasnt justified, & the other person had said it was justified. So obviously it was probably the person who started the thread, unless he didnt vote at that time

Stop repeating yourself Sherlock.

What, when the fuck did i say this before. Obviously you cant read properly, just like you cant refute what i said about controlling muslims like yourself