Author Topic: Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan  (Read 1166 times)

Don Seer

Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2004, 08:21:48 AM »
on that 'gap' thing.. if you vote for convservatives that's what'll happen.. its them same with em in this country     even worse.. in america i dont see any difference between your parties in that respect.. anything slightly 'left' is accused of being communist... doh!  

in my eye, convservatism is for the blue bloods and the rich.. because they know they'll keep their wealth.

it keeps the poor down by favouring the rich... their view is.. if you cant afford something. tough.





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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2004, 08:43:46 AM »
on that 'gap' thing.. if you vote for convservatives that's what'll happen.. its them same with em in this country     even worse.. in america i dont see any difference between your parties in that respect.. anything slightly 'left' is accused of being communist... doh!  

in my eye, convservatism is for the blue bloods and the rich.. because they know they'll keep their wealth.

it keeps the poor down by favouring the rich... their view is.. if you cant afford something. tough.


The Democrats are just as much giulty for the gap between the rich and the poor.  It was actually the Kennedy and Carter admininistrations that set that inevitable phenomenon into motion.  The same money that funds the Democrats, funds the Republicans.  Either way your are voting for the big corporations and expansion of the military and prison business at the expense of the taxpayers.
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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2004, 09:50:05 AM »
on that 'gap' thing.. if you vote for convservatives that's what'll happen.. its them same with em in this country     even worse.. in america i dont see any difference between your parties in that respect.. anything slightly 'left' is accused of being communist... doh!  

in my eye, convservatism is for the blue bloods and the rich.. because they know they'll keep their wealth.

it keeps the poor down by favouring the rich... their view is.. if you cant afford something. tough.







IMO Wealth creation doesn't create poverty.

Just a question, Have you ever read any Ayn Rand?

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Don Seer

Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2004, 11:06:45 AM »
well i guess i agree that wealth creation doesn't create poverty BUT a system where the poor are basically systematically kept down by the costs the system occurs, be they health, education or anything else IS a system that perpetuates poverty in my view.


on that 'gap' thing.. if you vote for convservatives that's what'll happen.. its them same with em in this country     even worse.. in america i dont see any difference between your parties in that respect.. anything slightly 'left' is accused of being communist... doh!  

in my eye, convservatism is for the blue bloods and the rich.. because they know they'll keep their wealth.

it keeps the poor down by favouring the rich... their view is.. if you cant afford something. tough.


The Democrats are just as much giulty for the gap between the rich and the poor.  It was actually the Kennedy and Carter admininistrations that set that inevitable phenomenon into motion.  The same money that funds the Democrats, funds the Republicans.  Either way your are voting for the big corporations and expansion of the military and prison business at the expense of the taxpayers.

if you had read properly i did vaguely suggest that there is no real 'left' in america afaik. theres right, and righter.. lol
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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2004, 11:24:46 AM »
Ok i dont the exact % of your salary that goes to taxes. Since im bad at math plz give me some leeway. im going to make up numbers for my post. lol i can only do math with 10's numbers

Fake Situation
Wealthy man makes $1,000,000 a year.
Poor man makes $10,000 a year.

10% goes to taxes. So Rich man pays $100,000 in taxes. Poor man pays 1,000.
Lets say Bush did ANOTHER tax cut that gave back 5%. The rich man will get i dunno....50,000? and the poor man gets $500.

Ok thats not realistic, but the fact remains. OF course rich people are going to get rich off of tax cuts. THEY PUT MORE MONEY INTO TAXES. they cant give poor people more money in tax cuts, because then its money they never  had. Which then it should be called welfare.
 

Don Seer

Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2004, 11:31:03 AM »
yes thats obvious..  there are major flaws.

someone earning 1000,000 is likely to pay 40% tax, not 10%. they still have a large amount of wealth.

its called tax brackets.
 

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2004, 12:21:15 PM »
fuck reagan

Reagan's legacy:

On AIDS:

"When Rock Hudson, a friend and colleague of the Reagan’s, was
diagnosed and died in 1985 (one of the 20,740 cases reported that
year), Reagan still did not speak out. When family friend William F.
Buckley, in a March 18, 1986 New York Times article, called for
mandatory testing of HIV and said that HIV+ gay men should have this
information forcibly tattooed on their buttocks (and IV drug users
on their arms), Reagan said nothing. In 1986 (after five years of
complete silence) when Surgeon General C. Everett Koop released a
report calling for AIDS education in schools, Bennett and Bauer did
everything possible to undercut and prevent funding for Koop’s
too-little too-late initiative. By the end of 1986, 37,061 AIDS
cases had been reported; 16,301 people had died.

The most memorable Reagan AIDS moment was at the 1986 centenary
rededication of the Statue of Liberty. The Reagan’s were there
sitting next to the French Prime Minister and his wife, Francois and
Danielle Mitterrand. Bob Hope was on stage entertaining the all-star
audience. In the middle of a series of one-liners, Hope quipped, “I
just heard that the Statue of Liberty has AIDS, but she doesn’t know
if she got it from the mouth of the Hudson or the Staten Island
Fairy.” As the television camera panned the audience, the
Mitterrands looked appalled. The Reagans were laughing. By the end
of 1989, 115,786 women and men had been diagnosed with AIDS in the
United States—more then 70,000 of them had died. "

He funded Sadaam Husein and gave him the WMD's we're looking for today.

He funded Afghanistani "freedom fighters" in their fight against the Soviet Union. One of these "freedom fighters" was Osama Bin Laden. These "freedom fighters" eventually won and formed the Taliban.

Oh yeah, and for kicks he laid a wreath at Bittburg cemetary in Germany, at a shrine dedicated to the fucking SS!!!!!

-funded right-wing paramilitary groups who killed priests, nuns, and thousands of civilians in central america

-crushed the labor movement in the U.S.

-he had to be forcibly pushed to renounce Apartheid
 

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2004, 01:51:36 PM »
rampant STFU....dats not how it works.

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2004, 02:33:15 PM »
well....there is a good & bad to every issue....I'ma list some random facts, U be the judge.

Ronald Reagan was tha 1st president to win 49 of the 50 states in an election. That's real impressive right there.

Yea, he gave money to Afghans, but at that time, they were friends. And that's all till they figured out what a monster U.S was and how they will not help no one unless they were getting theirs. It's unfortunate that shit went down like that.

He wasn't THE reason but was a driving force for why Gorbachev decided to tear down the Berlin Wall and make the people free also. I can give U that.

Reagan sponsored the murders in Central/South America. This is historical fact. Don't even try to argue it.

No, he didn't have small town values. He was a good actor.

Reagans contra crew were terrorists.

He took out democratically elected presidents to place in US friendly dictators. Had great strategies that don't really go noticed, slaughtering families for intimidation purposes is terrorism. c'mon, the man did his dirt, he traded weopens with enemies, our hoods were filled wit cocaine as a payment for the weopens. The Reagan era wasn't a pretty time for the streets.

and no he is not 1 of the greats.

THE GREATS:

-George Washington
-Abraham Lincoln
-Franklin Roosevelt






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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2004, 02:34:44 PM »
But it's still R.I.P.....because I have sympathy for the ones that loved him. I done lost too many people not to.

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2004, 02:51:51 PM »
But it's still R.I.P.....because I have sympathy for the ones that loved him. I done lost too many people not to.

props for that.. heart and compassion is what puts real people apart from the selfish and the weak bigots who let hate blind their view.. eh infinite?
 

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2004, 02:59:08 PM »

What about a catholic commenting.

Jay-Z commented once on being a product of Reagonomics. Lets face it, under Reagon, the United States trend of closing the gap between rich and poor started closing. Before Reagon, since World War II, the United States was in a stage were poor was starting to gain money, and become middle class. The whole rich always get richer argument, was being crushed by the United States, which is one reason we were a great nations, we were breaking norms. Anyways, Reagon, his plan was to give the rich tax cuts, because if the rich have more money, they'd spend it on their companies. Well this did not hold true, but both middle and higher classes got tax cuts, so both classes thrived, BUT, the once surging working class took a huge hit, and this started the trend, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. Now of course you did have our crack heads, but you also had people like my dad, who worked his whole life, is a Vietnam Vet, and he had his vet benefits taken away by Ronald Reagon, for the sake of higher class tax cuts, Reagon took away Veterans rights, and no one argueed because Reagon was popular, and people didn't like Vietnam vets anyways. So my dad had no more Veterans benefits, which is really starting to cost him now that his older, and he had lost his job because he got divorced, and he had to raise my sister and me by himself. Welfare was not that much, so he took welfare, and still worked jobs along the way, and never had enough  money. Reagon wanted his trickled down economy to work, after all, most economicalist believed the plan would work. If you remember when Bill Clinton took over, he redid the tax bracket so that rich once again get higher tax rates than working class. under Reagon, the rich got taxed like 10% well middle 20%, and working class 30%, or close to those numbers. I had exact numbers, but I am too lazy to go find them. Anyways, for his work, Reagon spend his last 10 years not remembering his name, not knowing where the bathroom was, and not remembering he was president. All I can say was, it couldn't have happen to a better man.

What about another Catholic commenting....

M Dogg you are full of shit as usual. I don't know much about gaps between rich and poor,  but I do know that the US economy was in the dumps during the 1970's. The unemployment rate and inflation were skyrocketing, and oil prices were sky high. When Ronald Reagan came into office he changed all of that. The US economy rebounded in the 1980's. And a huge part of that was President Reagan's tax cuts.

Here is a newsflash for you: all the money that the government gets through taxes is actually your and my money. And the less money the government takes from us the better. And that is what President Reagan did, he let us keep more of our own money with TAX CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL PEOPLE. All that stuff you said about poor people paying tax rates of 30% and rich people paying tax cuts of 10% is just a lie. The US has an accelerated tax rate and rich people have always paid taxes at higher rates the more they earn. Everyone got tax cuts during the 1980's, including the wealthy and corporations.  Businesses and corporations thrive when they have low tax rates, and that is how jobs are created. If you had your way, companies like Microsoft, Sun Miscrosystems, Cisco, etc that got started in the 1980's probably would never have existed because they would have been bankrupt before ever getting off the ground.

M Dogg why don't you just accept the fact that the US is a purely capitalist country and we are never going to change. If you don't like it, go live in one of those socialist countries like France or Sweden where they pay three times what we do in taxes and have unemployment rates twice as high as us. There is a reason why the US has the best economy in the world and it is our economic system.
 

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2004, 04:36:45 PM »
But it's still R.I.P.....because I have sympathy for the ones that loved him. I done lost too many people not to.

props for that.. heart and compassion is what puts real people apart from the selfish and the weak bigots who let hate blind their view.. eh infinite?
wow u really hate this guy
 

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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2004, 08:01:07 PM »
Hey Im glad he gave us weapons, that doesnt mean he doesnt have muslim blood on his hands. You fuckin kids, i dont know why i respond to yall, for entertainment really. Home boy smiled for the cameras and did the right PR shyt and half of yall think hes your grandfather. You know nothing of the consequence of his policies. And I didnt even say anything and fuckin goofs like Smerlus says shit like im dissing him to make up for my shortcomings. That doesnt make sense, how does this statement apply to me. Do you just say random things to sound smart?
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Re:Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2004, 08:43:52 PM »
Ibrahim I respect you but disagree with you here.

Firstly, Reagan got America out of the Cold War, and very quickly.

He improved America's moral like none other could.


And in my opinion, welfare should be taken away. Those out of work should rely on family, charity and religious groups while they find a job.

You're 100% right.  Thank you for seeing through the smoke thrown up by the uneducated, who try to teach everybody that republicans hate poor people.  That's not true.. .just as you said, we believe that charity is essential, and necessary in society to help out those less fortunate amongst us... but it's the responsibility of the church.  Forced charity by taxing the citizens and giving the money to those that don't work is not a wise way to run a government.