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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2004, 12:24:57 PM »
Blowing up buses and clubs with women, children and adulessents is not mistreatment?! This article's poor atempt to justefy terrorism is not working.....
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2004, 04:42:49 AM »
israel terrorists blow up schools, or do forget israelis can do that kind of thing too?  whilst your government has taken land, put military check points everywhere, do lots of raids and strikes into all areas and bulldozer towns to the ground. after 50 years of occupation in palestine israel has created 4 million palestinian refugees and murdered thousands of the palestinian people including small children. israel has held palestinians in poverty while israel has prospered. These are reasons they should have grown to like israel?

the article wasn't trying to justify terrerism u took it that way, it was more about understanding their reactions showing israels intentions and actions how they have fuck over the palestinian people in nearly every way but because they have created a few terrorists we should ignore whats caused them to rise up?

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2004, 06:25:08 AM »
Once again, there would be no checkpoints, no bulldozers, no raids and airstrikes, if Israel wasn't threatened- if Israeli citizents haven't been threatened.
There would've been no Refugees if Israel hasn't been threatened and atacked by it's neighbour states for an unprecedented number of times in the duration of such short existance, or If some of the support money that was given to the Palestinian Authority would've been used for actual causes(to help the Palestinian people) and not to provide more explossives for more bombings.
The suffering of The inocent people in the Palestinian authority is a known fact, This article isn't inventing anything new to us, however, the reasons to their suffring are also known to us,  too bad their own leadership is completely oblivious to their suffring, I'll tell u this, if Arafat was concerned for at least a half of Israel's concern as for those poor people,  situation may've been differend.
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2004, 08:10:30 AM »
ok so by ur logic its ok to threaten palestinians and be an aggressive nation in general. but if palestinians resist the aggression or they show aggression back, israel has the right to take more away from them. basically israel treats them like dogs if they don't roll over u get mad at them and tighten their leesh giving them less freedom.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2004, 10:35:10 AM »
To tell you the truth I don't know why people keep saying there is some sort of an occupation, It may come as quite a shock to you, but a territorial interest is not one today's Israel pocesses(nor did it have one for the last 10 years at least), We don't need more territory,New settlements emerging- if that is what you adressed, are not supported by the Israeli government and are ambushed by the Israeli deffence force, but even an existing settlement of such calliber would be insignificant to the Palestinian Authority in any possible aspect(Even a big settlement wouldn't effect the Palestinians half the way Palestinians who occupy Israeli territory effect Israel)-Like I said they only use their anti-settlement resolution as a bagaining card ,The Israeli deffence force operating on Palestinian territory is there to provide Israel with the right amount of security(a reaction to terroristic atacks, a pre-emptive action or actual portection provided to Israeli Citizens at existing old-timer settlements), not for farther conquering of territory, most people who claim to support the Palestinian side by all means seems to ignore the fact no actual occupation occures, only retaliation and deffence...
What did you mean by "being an aggressive nation in general"?
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2004, 11:06:19 AM »
israel doesn't act like a peaceful nation with peaceful sentiments.

so why has palestine had some of its bloodiest weeks recently when terrorists attacks have eased due to pressure put on them by the authority and eqypt, there is no correlation to your argument.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2004, 11:47:20 AM »
the facts are Israel didn't just move in and start attacking it's neighbors, it was attacked first....and if you morons will condone terrorist acts, bombing of schools and children by one country and not another you're a bigger fucking retard than i thought... it's shitty that they are both killing each other left and right and that they are both doing the same thing to one another
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2004, 12:31:30 PM »
i do not condone terrorists acts but i can understand why palestinians have resorted to terror, they have been mistreated and face the israeli army but have no real army of their own to protect themselves from israel. also look at how successful they were in gettin israel out of lebenon. while terrirtoy may not be a concern of israel anymore the security barrier does increase israels already enlarged terrirtory (which has UN and international calls to dismatle its settlements for years) which is why its such an issue for palestine. what upsets me the most is that palestinian deaths tolls are WAY higher than israeli deaths, they have few prospects due to harsh israeli restrictions, which creates a breeding ground for hate and terrorists will step up, if israel starts respecting palestinians more things will get better on boths sides. israel also needs to stop actin unilaterally involve the palestinian authority in discussians use a country like Eqypt as as a mediator, america has proved itself to be a biased mediator with little interest in palestinian people and should not be used. bottom line is both sides need to put the past behind them and and work together to find a peaceful solution, unfortunatly this is unlikely to happen.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2004, 10:17:06 PM »
why should they have to respect palistine when it's them that started the whole thing in the first place?

you guys would be pretty pissed if you heard someone on the board say "well we'll stop killing iraqis and get out of iraq once they stop killing us"
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2004, 11:26:46 PM »
why should they have to respect palistine when it's them that started the whole thing in the first place?

you guys would be pretty pissed if you heard someone on the board say "well we'll stop killing iraqis and get out of iraq once they stop killing us"

Do you also believe that the Native Americans were the evil ones killing those poor, innocent white "settlers", and that the white people TAKING OVER the continent were just more civilized and were just defending themselves?
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2004, 12:01:14 AM »
why should they have to respect palistine when it's them that started the whole thing in the first place?

you guys would be pretty pissed if you heard someone on the board say "well we'll stop killing iraqis and get out of iraq once they stop killing us"

Do you also believe that the Native Americans were the evil ones killing those poor, innocent white "settlers", and that the white people TAKING OVER the continent were just more civilized and were just defending themselves?

a delegation of various nations (such as the U.N.) did not decide to give early american settlers the land they are in they took the land by force.  mentioning something that happened so far ago in a world that had just found out the planet was round, is stupid.

i can easily say "is it ok for native americans to start boming places and killing people so that they can get their land back?"
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2004, 01:43:15 AM »
So you mean to tell me that Palestinians started fighting back 500 years after the state of Israel was created? Good lord, you're an idiot.
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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2004, 02:26:45 AM »
So you mean to tell me that Palestinians started fighting back 500 years after the state of Israel was created? Good lord, you're an idiot.

no i'm saying your an idiot for impling that something that happened 500 years ago is the same thing as something that happens recently
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2004, 05:05:49 AM »
so u think the land israel is on wasn't taken by force 50 years ago?

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2004, 06:09:41 PM »
so u think the land israel is on wasn't taken by force 50 years ago?

are we speaking the same language here?

i know how israel got their land and you said it was the same thing as early settlers in america....which is retarded
 

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2004, 05:03:02 AM »
it was Maradona who said that i never mentioned early american settlers

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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2004, 02:02:26 PM »
LOL....terrorist atacks eased, may be so, only proves the Israeli Deffence Force knowes what it's doing ;D btw, I live 20 minutes from Gaza and a town near by has been bombed by Kasams for the last coulpe of weeks, So either every ease is relative or you're simply misinformed as for what's going on(I ain't living at a settlement if that's what you're asking yourself, nor is that other town a settlement-pure Israeli territory).
And funny to hear we're the ones who have no sentiments?!....suplying a hostile nation with electricity, weapons, support money while being atacked by it, yea....we completely disgard the pressence of inocent lives in the Palestinian authority....your arguement DOES have a correlation... :P
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2004, 04:31:11 PM »
i think thats ur duty when u took all those things away and thier ability to be independent so its ur responsibility. but why demolish their farms? buldozer uproot all their trees, when u think about how long that shit takes to grow u doin alot of damage eg. to get good olives u want the tree to be about 50 years old. this is the most recent 1 i seen
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A local farmer told the BBC's Alan Johnston he watched Israeli army bulldozers uproot more than 3,000 of his orange and lemon trees in under three hours.
not only do yall take their homes and land u take their means of producing food and earning a living

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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2004, 09:51:23 PM »
So you mean to tell me that Palestinians started fighting back 500 years after the state of Israel was created? Good lord, you're an idiot.

no i'm saying your an idiot for impling that something that happened 500 years ago is the same thing as something that happens recently

Europeans settled the land in large numbers, killed off the Native Americans, created a nation.

Israelis settled the land in large numbers coming from Europe (Zionist movement), killed off the Palestinians or forced them to migrate, created a nation.

I'm sure you still can't see it, but just keep using your 24 brain cells and you might figure it out.
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2004, 05:23:35 AM »
i think thats ur duty when u took all those things away and thier ability to be independent so its ur responsibility. but why demolish their farms? buldozer uproot all their trees, when u think about how long that shit takes to grow u doin alot of damage eg. to get good olives u want the tree to be about 50 years old. this is the most recent 1 i seen
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A local farmer told the BBC's Alan Johnston he watched Israeli army bulldozers uproot more than 3,000 of his orange and lemon trees in under three hours.
not only do yall take their homes and land u take their means of producing food and earning a living

why?! if this farm has hiding spots for wanted terrorists, if the farmer endorses terrorism by financing it, I can name 100's of reasons to why a farm could be demolished, Although many of these stories of "the poor inocent Palestinian farmer whose trees got uprooted and whose land was demolished" are mostly fictious and are used by the Pro-Palestinian propoganda to rase sympathy amongst misinformed Earopeans  ;)...-Tell me u don't remember the cought on camera footage of a Shahid's funeral FAKING, again for pro-Palestinian propoganda purposes.....
And one more thing, We don't have any duties towards Authorities that seek our destruction....
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Re: Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2004, 09:14:49 AM »
oh i got an idea why not tarmac over what is left of palestine make make it all flat n that, and there won't be any places to hide any more so you'll be able to see all your black and white sheep run around in their pen, wouldn't that be lovelly.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2004, 12:21:43 PM »
So you mean to tell me that Palestinians started fighting back 500 years after the state of Israel was created? Good lord, you're an idiot.

no i'm saying your an idiot for impling that something that happened 500 years ago is the same thing as something that happens recently

Europeans settled the land in large numbers, killed off the Native Americans, created a nation.

Israelis settled the land in large numbers coming from Europe (Zionist movement), killed off the Palestinians or forced them to migrate, created a nation.

I'm sure you still can't see it, but just keep using your 24 brain cells and you might figure it out.

a nice broad summary of history but i like how you forgot facts to twist the arguement into your light... can you ever debate using actual facts? here have some facts:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_un_arabrejection.php
 

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2004, 03:45:29 PM »
and that doesn't have any spin? all the additional reading are israeli or pro israeli. although the actual article was only written in a slightly pro israeli stance IMO

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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2004, 03:50:05 PM »
well it's kind of hard to paint a pretty picture of:

The Arabs not only rejected partition, but attacked Israel from all sides. The armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq invaded Israel on May 15, 1947, the day after Israel's Independence Day, with the clear intention of killing the infant state in its cradle.

On May 15, 1947 Azzam Pasha called for "jihad", saying:

This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".
Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, agreed with Pasha:

I declare a holy war, my muslim brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!
In a letter to the United Nations, the Transjordanian Prime Minister was quoted:

Our position is clear, and has been proclaimed on every occasion. It is never to allow the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine and to exclude partition. And our object is to cooperate with the other Arab States in her deliverance. Once this aim is attained, the determination of her future status is the right and concern of her own people. Theirs alone is the last word. We have no other object or aim in view.
 

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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2004, 05:27:37 PM »
1) jews were not entitled to the land
2) israel regected the partition and the cease fire agreement anyway because it was too small, and showed little interest in peace intiatives
3) israel got arabs off the land by any means
4) the arab nations generally attacked the expanded part of israel not included in the partition
5) look at israel on a map palestine is cut in 2, and israel is much bigger than the two halves put together.
6) year on year israels terrirtory has expanded
7) arabs and in particular palestinians have incured far more deaths and injuries since israel was started
8 ) israel pays little attention to international watchdogs and organisations like the UN or even international law
9) israel has one of the largest nuclear stock piles of weapons in the world and has not signed up to the non proliferication treaty so is not subject to sanctions and opporates on a "no show no tell policy" while they expect the rest of the middle east to be put under international pressure to not produce nuclear weapons (eg iran)
10) in whats left of palestine the israeli army enjoys shooting small children, buldozing farms and houses to the ground, firering missles and tank shells into the refugee camps especially when large crowds are present, have military check points everywhere.
11) in 1947 the area allocated to the jews by the UN had a jewish population of 520,000. there are now over 4 million palestinian refugees at the present day.


who do u think got a raw deal?

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?