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Re:Death Penalty debate
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2004, 04:45:31 PM »
^ exactly what i said.

when is killing someone, no matter under what circumstances civilised?

lock em, throw away the key, and make em repent + suffer.

dont give them a quick death and no more.. its done "humanely" right? so they don't suffer.. whats the point? apart from saving money.
exactly what i was gonna say

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2004, 04:48:51 PM »
most ppl whp done real bad shit just commit suicide nowadays anyway i'd rather they do that then get death, even so that pisses me off cos they jus done takn the easy way out and had no chance to pay their debt who they inflicted shit on.

plus if u use death penaulty whose to say u were right, the last person to get death in england is now widely believed to be innocent

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2004, 04:49:43 PM »
Why do we always have to be civilized.

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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2004, 05:04:04 PM »
well there is some good things out of life in prison.

david berkowitz(sp??) was a good example of how life in prison can really change your life. incase you dont know who he is, its the guy who was known as "son of sam" he was a serial killer, who later accepted God while serving his life sentence.

so their are some upsides to it.
 

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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2004, 09:53:53 PM »
the only reason i disagree with the death penalty is for the amount is costs for a prisoner on death row.... like someone else said....no one here will make you change your mind about it so there's no reason why i should say i'm for it
 

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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2004, 10:05:08 PM »
it depends how they kill them not all people deserve painful deaths only rapeists and serial killers that did sum reall fucked up shit
 

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2004, 12:23:17 AM »
^ what the hell you talkin about?

no one is given 'cruel' deaths in the US system... it aint like they're tortured n shit
 

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2004, 12:28:51 AM »
for the people that say that a person shouldn't die for their actions...i have a quick scenario....what if the murderer had hostages, killed a few and threatened to kill more....should a sniper not take his life? right there you have judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one

and to the people that say the death penalty is cruel... years of ass rapings, beatings and slowly dying of AIDS is an ok life?
 

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2004, 01:53:40 AM »
i thought this might come up, i already kinda touched on it but didn't take further.

yes its right, because its preventing further deaths.

now i suppose you'll say the same argument could be said for killers, that if they're killed it stops them killing again. but so does locking them up.

the saying "prevention is better than cure" comes to mind..

the cure is using the sniper, prevention is having got him beforehand...
 

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2004, 01:57:07 AM »
but murders still happen in prison...look at Jefferey Dahmer...shouldn't these murders be prevented too?
 

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2004, 01:58:06 AM »
for the people that say that a person shouldn't die for their actions...i have a quick scenario....what if the murderer had hostages, killed a few and threatened to kill more....should a sniper not take his life? right there you have judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one

and to the people that say the death penalty is cruel... years of ass rapings, beatings and slowly dying of AIDS is an ok life?

I'd order the sniper to shoot him right between his eyes...case closed.

Lives saved, City saved = greater than > 1 million dollars (court case, jail for life) spend it on a park or something.


« Last Edit: June 22, 2004, 01:59:35 AM by Necromonger »
 

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Re:Death Penalty debate
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2004, 02:54:40 AM »
but murders still happen in prison...look at Jefferey Dahmer...shouldn't these murders be prevented too?
not when their are in solitary  ;)

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2004, 03:34:55 AM »
but murders still happen in prison...look at Jefferey Dahmer...shouldn't these murders be prevented too?
not when their are in solitary  ;)

Thats much more expensive.



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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2004, 07:40:14 AM »
^^^

what the hell
 

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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2004, 07:50:36 AM »

resorting to personal attacks?? = ban
 

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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2004, 01:29:21 PM »
what the hell just happened? and i see he got banned, but still not sure why?
 

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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2004, 02:38:57 PM »
trying to insult me and my country cos i make a comment on solitary confinement, what a weirdo

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2004, 04:36:03 PM »
trying to insult me and my country cos i make a comment on solitary confinement, what a weirdo
explain his joke or insult, i dont get it
 

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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2004, 04:42:51 PM »
I have to proclaim Im suprised that 2 of our most religious members want them criminals punished so severe.
Dont you think it's best if you leave their destinies in gods hands? Only god can judge us, and shit, you know?

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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2004, 10:18:09 PM »
am i the only one who laughed about kain's joke? ::)
 

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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2004, 10:22:49 PM »
i get kains joke wasent too funny tho
 

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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2004, 04:36:31 AM »
this wasnt the sole reason, he was also throwing around some pretty offensive stuff about italians in another thread.
 

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Re:Death Penalty debate
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2004, 08:30:24 AM »
For everyone who is pro death penalty and uses that crappy "burden to the taxpayer" excuse as to why we should take a life away, look at this:

Financial Facts About the Death Penalty


$  Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:


The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
The costs of carrying out an execution (including death row incarceration) were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
 

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Re:Death Penalty debate
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2004, 08:38:42 AM »
For everyone who is pro death penalty and uses that crappy "burden to the taxpayer" excuse as to why we should take a life away, look at this:

Financial Facts About the Death Penalty


$  Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:


The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
The costs of carrying out an execution (including death row incarceration) were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7


See, it's not what the bottom line $$ is to me. It's the principle. We as this time pay for prisoners to have a comfortable life, that's what bothers me.

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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2004, 09:27:34 AM »
^^^^

I mean except for getting gang raped by bubba and steve, prison isnt that bad anymore.  I mean the jails arent like jackson anymroe where your chained together and working on road construction.

Prison life really isnt that bad. Most of the time your getting your own cell. You have a gym to workout. Basketball courts to have fun. Cable tv. 3 course meals everyday.

i mean to some people this is like heaven. Prison has basically become a 2 star hotel for bad guys.