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Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« on: July 15, 2004, 08:34:23 PM »
I'm asking it as a question, here's the different answers I think might be true..

1. U.S. is a superpower and realizes that U.N. is growing bigger and stronger, and might be (is becoming) a superpower in it's own.
U.S. wants to be THE biggest, and make most of the decisions. Inferiority complex.. ?

2. U.S. likes to act/handle on their own, and does not want a 2nd opinion.
The other 14 members of the security council might cause problems.

3. U.N. is based on the idea of bringing peace to the world.
U.S. will decide this themselves, wether they want peace or war.

4. U.N. have 191 member countries, U.S. thinks this is too much.
This could also interfere if a war should be the topic.


Add on, for or against U.N.. ??

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2004, 08:58:06 PM »
And because the UN was right, Iraq doesn't have weapons of destruction.
 

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2004, 10:03:26 PM »
The reasons Americans don't like the U.N. is because we foot the bill, every time.  If there's a U.N. sanctioned war, it's American's doing the fighting, largely, and it's Americans paying the bill, largely.  However; when we want something, we have to beg and plead and leave ourselves @ the mercy of piciune little countries who have nowhere near the investment we do in the U.N.... so it's just not worth the hassle. 
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2004, 11:21:42 PM »
But for the betterment of the world, we need to have a bigger role in things, because we are the largest power. We are sharing this globe with 6 billion people, and we can't be selfish, many out there are starving, and need our help. We have our own issues, but in the bigger picture, our problems are not as big as many the world faces. We are so stuck on ourselves though, we think this is the case. The reason the U.N. didn't want us in Iraq is because they knew they had no weapons, and Bush was going alittle power hungry. They said jack shit when we invaded Afganistan. We have to look at would we want, and is it right. The U.N. allowed us to invade Afganistan, and other nations offered help. The opposite is of Iraq, ask yourself why. We talked about weapons. Bush didn't say to the international world we need to invade Iraq so the people can be free of his rule. NO, he said weapons, and the U.N. inspected, and there was no weapons, so what was the U.N. suppose to do. Allow us to invade Iraq just because we want to. They allowed us to invade Afganistan, what more do you want?
 

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2004, 11:33:20 PM »
youkno what,  some of what you said is true jome but also what trauma said is tru also.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2004, 11:54:54 PM »
Because Americans have the mentality of running things. Kinda like when the rest of the world uses the metric system and America goes "Fuck that, we're using English".

I wish the US would stick with the UN. People are saying that we usually have to pay the costs for the UN, but we end up paying them anyways. We might as well pay and have international backing at the same time.
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2004, 04:41:20 AM »
lol @ fuck that we're using english...

thats not american  8)
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2004, 08:45:05 AM »
The reasons Americans don't like the U.N. is because we foot the bill, every time.  If there's a U.N. sanctioned war, it's American's doing the fighting, largely, and it's Americans paying the bill, largely.  However; when we want something, we have to beg and plead and leave ourselves @ the mercy of piciune little countries who have nowhere near the investment we do in the U.N.... so it's just not worth the hassle. 
Yea jome, this is basically the reason why i dont care about the U.N.
Back then the U.N. was an important thing for peace in the world, but nowadays its just not worth it anymore. Whenever a country needs americas help, america thinks nothing about it, and sends troops (and alot for that matter), but its like when we wanted to go into iraq, the un wanted nothing to do with us. Granted there were no WMD, but at the time when colin powell was presenting the case to the UN, nobody knew that. For all anyone knew, iraq did have some, but the UN did nothing. So we said screw the UN and went on our own.

Basically the UN is just a place for little countries to unite, but large countries like America get nothing out of being in the UN except for large bills like trauma said.  If there is a war do you think we really care if we have the support of small countries like the phillipine army by our side?
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2004, 12:00:37 PM »
lol @ fuck that we're using english...

thats not american  8)

I mean the english system, instead of the metric system.
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2004, 12:24:21 PM »
i wish i knew the metric system. cuz i always read shit in KM and so on. then i have to translate it into my stuff so i know what the fuck there talking about  >:(
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2004, 03:51:14 PM »
LOL @ the metric vs. english system. I had to learn both because my dad worked on cars, so foreign cars used metric, and American cars until the mid 80's I think used english, but now they use metric too.

Anyways... I remember our great relation with the U.N. We used to always have the U.N. support what we want, because we would act in what we thought was the best interest of the word. But now, we act for the best interest of ourselves. We don't care about what's best for world peace, but for our security. We aren't suffering. We own over 50% of the world's wealth, actually I think it's closer to 70%, but anyways, we don't have that much of the world's population, but own most of the wealth. We need to help the rest of the world.
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2004, 04:17:45 PM »
We need to help the rest of the world.
Why?
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 04:19:34 PM »
We need to help the rest of the world.
Why?
Exactly.  The world gets so pissed off at us, then comes crying back askin for our help.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 04:27:48 PM »
We need to help the rest of the world.
Why?
Exactly.  The world gets so pissed off at us, then comes crying back askin for our help.

As the saying goes... What Would Jesus Do? He would help people, and conservatives that argue about Christian values the loudest should know this. Don't even make me get the Bible in this.

For liberals who agree with the U.N., to preserve peace in the world, prevent a huge war, and to support poor nations that can barely feed their people. The U.N. is not a world government as people believe, it's a group of nations that come together and try to do what's best for the globe as a whole. After all, the U.S. does not compare with 6 billion people, 5 billion of them living in 3rd World nations. We need to help, not be like, we have money, fuck them. There is so much more than our money. Why can't you guys see that?
 

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 08:05:25 PM »
As the saying goes... What Would Jesus Do? He would help people, and conservatives that argue about Christian values the loudest should know this. Don't even make me get the Bible in this.

For liberals who agree with the U.N., to preserve peace in the world, prevent a huge war, and to support poor nations that can barely feed their people. The U.N. is not a world government as people believe, it's a group of nations that come together and try to do what's best for the globe as a whole. After all, the U.S. does not compare with 6 billion people, 5 billion of them living in 3rd World nations. We need to help, not be like, we have money, fuck them. There is so much more than our money. Why can't you guys see that?

Real talk, U.N. isn't "a gathering of small countries to feed off the big countries", it's 191 countries, that's pretty much every country..

And U.S. does NOT rank high on the "Rich country responsibilities: Aid" statistics.
They might give the most totally, but if you divide it with "per capita", it's sad reading..  :-X

U.S.A. uses $46 per citizen for aid..
The top 5 aid contribution countries are:

1. Norway - $333 per citizen
2. Luxembourg - $316 per citizen
3. Denmark - $286 per citizen
4. Sweden - $207 per citizen
5. Netherlands - $196 per citizen
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18. U.S. - $46 per citizen

U.S. is one of very few countries who actually use LESS money on Aid in 2002 than in 1990.. that should say something.
But some of you will rather use the money on war, instead of helping homeless and starving people with medications, food, etc. right.. ?


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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 08:24:51 PM »
So you're telling me that...

$46 X 293 million is less than $333 x 4 million?

I guess I'm not that good at math.
 

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2004, 08:32:13 PM »
So you're telling me that...

$46 X 293 million is less than $333 x 4.5 million?

I guess I'm not that good at math.

I'm telling you that $333 per citizen is A LOT MORE than $46 per citizen.
Try comparing yourselves with Monaco or San Marino, I bet that will give Americans a real self esteem boost.. :) (At least until you divide down the numbers to make the comparison fair)


 

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2004, 02:41:30 AM »
According to your numbers, each US citizen gives 46 dollars per year in "aid"

We have 293 million citizens.

293,000,000 multiplied by 46 equals $13,478,000,000. Thats 13 billion dollars.

Lets take Norway.

According to your Numbers Each citizen of Norway gives $333 dollars per year in "aid"

4,500,000 multiplied by 333 equals $1,498,500,000. Thats 1 billion dollars.

It's the bottom line that counts, and you're nowhere near the US in total amount given.
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2004, 03:19:48 AM »
i'm sorry you can call me an ass hole or a heartless cunt,BUT i'm not going to feed and spend 333 bucks out of MY tax money to give to some dirty homeless german dude who probably fucking hates me cuz i'm american.....333 to a homeless dude in IOWA or New Mexico maybe but in my opinion 46 bucks is more than appropriate.


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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2004, 04:21:36 AM »
Because Americans have the mentality of running things. Kinda like when the rest of the world uses the metric system and America goes "Fuck that, we're using English".

I wish the US would stick with the UN. People are saying that we usually have to pay the costs for the UN, but we end up paying them anyways. We might as well pay and have international backing at the same time.

Regarding the metric system, The main reason I understand for not adopting it, is that the cost would be prohibitive.

Even if we phased it in slowly, heavy machinery, screw threads, and a bunch of other shit would still be a huge problem and it would take a LONG ass time and a bunch of money to make it official.

The way I see it, It's not too hard to use conversions. If there are 2.2lbs in a kg. Then it's easy enough to use the quick multiply by 11 rule and then multiply by two. So for 52kg it's easy to say that 5 + 2 = 7 so 52*11 = 572 or 52 * 1.1 = 57.2 and 57.2 * 2 = 114.4. So 52kg = about 114 lbs.

For feet to meters, there are a few simple and fast conversions that aren't of great precision, but accurate enough for me. For example, 3m = 10ft, 1 in. = 2.54cm, 1m = 40in. Of course for precision, I would alway use a calculator...

Regarding volume. For a fast calculation, you can simply relate the liter to the quart since when it comes to serving drinks, there's not a great deal of difference. When I need precision, it's easy to remember the numbers I've seen on American Coke bottles my entire life. A 2 liter bottle always says 67.6 fluid ounces on it. This is my base point for conversion since I can gather that 33.8 fl oz is 1 liter.

For temperature, that's a no brainer. 0c is freezing, 100c is boiling. 32F is freezing, 212F is boiling. So 212 - 32 = 180 and 100 - 0 = 100. Therefore it's easy to assume that 180/100 is the ratio. That easily converts to 9/5. Be sure to compensate for the 32 degree shift on the Fahrenheit side.

So what it comes down to is that if you can get through school in any country without understanding that both systems are just really simple. If you don't get it, then go back to school and work on it. If you can remember there's 12 inches in a foot and 8 oz in a cup, then you can remember 3 points of conversion reference and derive the rest.
 

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2004, 05:47:05 AM »
According to your numbers, each US citizen gives 46 dollars per year in "aid"

We have 293 million citizens.

293,000,000 multiplied by 46 equals $13,478,000,000. Thats 13 billion dollars.

Lets take Norway.

According to your Numbers Each citizen of Norway gives $333 dollars per year in "aid"

4,500,000 multiplied by 333 equals $1,498,500,000. Thats 1 billion dollars.

It's the bottom line that counts, and you're nowhere near the US in total amount given.

lmao... so America cares more, because they have a higher population? Now that's some bullshit right there.

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2004, 08:27:19 AM »
no i think hes getting at this.

Yea those countries pay more per citizen, but thats only because they have less citizens. If they paid the same as american citizens, then they wouldnt be giving nearly as much in aid. (somewhere in the millions i dont wanna do the math). But if we as americans were giving $333 per citizen, then we would be giving ALOT of money in "aid"
 

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2004, 01:05:51 PM »
According to your numbers, each US citizen gives 46 dollars per year in "aid"

We have 293 million citizens.

293,000,000 multiplied by 46 equals $13,478,000,000. Thats 13 billion dollars.

Lets take Norway.

According to your Numbers Each citizen of Norway gives $333 dollars per year in "aid"

4,500,000 multiplied by 333 equals $1,498,500,000. Thats 1 billion dollars.

It's the bottom line that counts, and you're nowhere near the US in total amount given.

lmao... so America cares more, because they have a higher population? Now that's some bullshit right there.

Norway >>>>>>>>> America when it comes to this. The End.

I guess you don't realize the real world implications that 13 billion dollars is more than 1 billion.

Keep living in your warped little world stinky.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2004, 01:51:40 PM »
Oh God  ::)

First and foremost, 333 per citizen is not greater than 42. Also, they give more, that's cool, but in the end, most nations actually love us. Many other industral nations don't, but almost every 3rd world nation is very much fans of the United States. When you think of foreign opinion, most news gives you the other big nations, because to us, if you have money, then your worth our time, if not, we can careless. African nations love us, they admire us. Now Bush has a lot to do with the resent negative opinion of us, I mean unjust wars because he wants too, wars that seem to be against another religion, it doesn't look good. But in the end, these country like what we are doing. The sad fact is though, is they followed the food we gave to hungry nations, and it gets to them, but the sad fact is that by the time it is spread out to everybody, it's only a weeks worth of food to last a month or so. What can be done? Instead of just food aid, help in many other ways. Jesus said if you give a man a fish, he eats for a day, you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. Well, for one, in Africa, we can stop robbing the countries there of diamonds, and all there other resources and start paying the people what they deserve for their work and rocks. Also, we can encourage businesses expand, and open up factories and stuff. I know the world is against sweat shops, and I'm not saying sweat shops, but try to have legit businesses go to these starving nations. Plenty of people will be more than willing to work, and African is rich with resources, so it would be cheaper to make things there, even if you pay the people a fair wage. The U.N. can help too, that's there job. Encourage other wealthy nations to help out, we need a worldwide effort to help out the hungry nations of the world. Not just the U.S., but also not excluding the U.S. The U.N. has done many things to help preserve peace, but we need to find away to help the hungry nations, and the poor children there. After all, most children don't survive to see their 18th birthday, mothers are always burying their children. In a world where someone like Bill Gates baths in a solid gold bath tub, it's unfair that families can't keep babies 'cause they are starving. We need more.
 

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2004, 01:58:05 PM »
Oh God  ::)

First and foremost, 333 per citizen is not greater than 42. Also, they give more, that's cool, but in the end, most nations actually love us. Many other industral nations don't, but almost every 3rd world nation is very much fans of the United States. When you think of foreign opinion, most news gives you the other big nations, because to us, if you have money, then your worth our time, if not, we can careless. African nations love us, they admire us. Now Bush has a lot to do with the resent negative opinion of us, I mean unjust wars because he wants too, wars that seem to be against another religion, it doesn't look good. But in the end, these country like what we are doing. The sad fact is though, is they followed the food we gave to hungry nations, and it gets to them, but the sad fact is that by the time it is spread out to everybody, it's only a weeks worth of food to last a month or so. What can be done? Instead of just food aid, help in many other ways. Jesus said if you give a man a fish, he eats for a day, you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. Well, for one, in Africa, we can stop robbing the countries there of diamonds, and all there other resources and start paying the people what they deserve for their work and rocks. Also, we can encourage businesses expand, and open up factories and stuff. I know the world is against sweat shops, and I'm not saying sweat shops, but try to have legit businesses go to these starving nations. Plenty of people will be more than willing to work, and African is rich with resources, so it would be cheaper to make things there, even if you pay the people a fair wage. The U.N. can help too, that's there job. Encourage other wealthy nations to help out, we need a worldwide effort to help out the hungry nations of the world. Not just the U.S., but also not excluding the U.S. The U.N. has done many things to help preserve peace, but we need to find away to help the hungry nations, and the poor children there. After all, most children don't survive to see their 18th birthday, mothers are always burying their children. In a world where someone like Bill Gates baths in a solid gold bath tub, it's unfair that families can't keep babies 'cause they are starving. We need more.
Please use:
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Who is to say that Bill gates shouldn't bath in a solid gold bath tub?

He's done more for the poor than you even realize. Ever heard about the bill and melinda gates foundation? Dude donates BILLIONS every year to charity.