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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2004, 02:30:28 PM »

He's done more for the poor than you even realize. Ever heard about the bill and melinda gates foundation? Dude donates BILLIONS every year to charity.


I am well aware of all the stuff Bill Gates has done for the world. Dude is a good liberal, which is why I used him, because if I can bash one of my own, imagion how I can bash on a conservative.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2004, 06:19:48 PM »
According to your numbers, each US citizen gives 46 dollars per year in "aid"

We have 293 million citizens.

293,000,000 multiplied by 46 equals $13,478,000,000. Thats 13 billion dollars.

Lets take Norway.

According to your Numbers Each citizen of Norway gives $333 dollars per year in "aid"

4,500,000 multiplied by 333 equals $1,498,500,000. Thats 1 billion dollars.

It's the bottom line that counts, and you're nowhere near the US in total amount given.

U.S. give $13.140 mill. to aid.
Norway give $1.517 mill. to aid.

U.S. have 65 times more citizens than Norway, yet U.S. only use 8,6 times more money on aid.
This means that Norway use 7.2 times more aid than U.S. per citizen.
Get it.. ?

Monaco have 32.000 citizens, do you think it would be fair to compare their aid contributions to e.g. Indias 1 BILLION citizens.. ?
No.
Of course you gotta divide the numbers to make the comparison fair.

Do not try to tell me that U.S. could not easily give $500 per citizen in aid, without even TOUCHING the regular Americans income or taxes.
Cut down on that enormous sick war machine of yours instead.
Why don't you pull out some numbers on how many billions you use on wars/military ehh.. ?

i'm sorry you can call me an ass hole or a heartless cunt,BUT i'm not going to feed and spend 333 bucks out of MY tax money to give to some dirty homeless german dude who probably fucking hates me cuz i'm american.....333 to a homeless dude in IOWA or New Mexico maybe but in my opinion 46 bucks is more than appropriate.

But let me ask you this:
If you had the choice to use your tax money on either:

1. Aid - Food, clothes, medications and water for starving/homeless people in development countries.
2. War - Use your money on going to war against e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

What would you choose.. ?


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First and foremost, 333 per citizen is not greater than 42. Also, they give more, that's cool, but in the end, most nations actually love us. Many other industral nations don't, but almost every 3rd world nation is very much fans of the United States.

$333 per citizen is definitely more than $46 per citizen.
"Most nations actually love us" - Is aid a popularity contest.. ???



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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2004, 06:35:52 PM »
According to your numbers, each US citizen gives 46 dollars per year in "aid"

We have 293 million citizens.

293,000,000 multiplied by 46 equals $13,478,000,000. Thats 13 billion dollars.

Lets take Norway.

According to your Numbers Each citizen of Norway gives $333 dollars per year in "aid"

4,500,000 multiplied by 333 equals $1,498,500,000. Thats 1 billion dollars.

It's the bottom line that counts, and you're nowhere near the US in total amount given.

lmao... so America cares more, because they have a higher population? Now that's some bullshit right there.

Norway >>>>>>>>> America when it comes to this. The End.

I guess you don't realize the real world implications that 13 billion dollars is more than 1 billion.

Keep living in your warped little world stinky.

What a moron. Sonned and still not shutting the fuck up.

if 2000 ppl give me 100 bucks, and 50 give me 10 bucks, I pretty much realize the 2nd group cares more for me and donates more money per citizen for me. that's what it comes down to.
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2004, 06:13:58 PM »
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The US owes trillions to the UN. So there goes the footing the bill idea. And the US has the most influence on the UN, and the most power ful voice, thus it packs the most powerful gun. Meaning it will always lead the pack militarily.
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2004, 06:35:59 PM »
Ah Trauma


The US owes trillions to the UN. So there goes the footing the bill idea. And the US has the most influence on the UN, and the most power ful voice, thus it packs the most powerful gun. Meaning it will always lead the pack militarily.

Yup, so that leaves us with how many good arguments for U.S. to back out of U.N.. ??
Oh well..
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2004, 07:36:43 PM »
the US owes money to the UN? really can you prove this?

and while your at it, please show how much each country contributes to the UN
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2004, 08:36:38 PM »
the US owes money to the UN? really can you prove this?

and while your at it, please show how much each country contributes to the UN

Youre not on the list of people whose opinions matter to the point where I would actually research a link to back up my argument. The US owes billions to the UN.
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2004, 08:38:14 PM »
Ah Trauma


The US owes trillions to the UN. So there goes the footing the bill idea. And the US has the most influence on the UN, and the most power ful voice, thus it packs the most powerful gun. Meaning it will always lead the pack militarily.

Yup, so that leaves us with how many good arguments for U.S. to back out of U.N.. ??
Oh well..


It would be stupid for both sides to sever their relationship. The UN and the US need each other, albiet the US is a lot less reliant.
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2004, 08:56:20 PM »
the US owes money to the UN? really can you prove this?

and while your at it, please show how much each country contributes to the UN

Youre not on the list of people whose opinions matter to the point where I would actually research a link to back up my argument. The US owes billions to the UN.
.....ok. If you knew it was a fact then you could present some evidence of this.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2004, 09:10:36 PM »
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2004, 09:24:03 PM »
next time do ur own homework

http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/docs/wren.htm

That's 1998 though..

99-numbers: $1.3 billion:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/docs/fin99-1.htm

2001: Still owing about $1 billion:
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/09/un.debt/

I haven't seen the newest numbers.. I think I heard something last year about the bill getting even higher, but can't remember the details..

 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2004, 09:37:39 PM »
thanks for the recent info


and yeah, I dont see this tab gettin any lighter under the current administration
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2004, 03:04:07 AM »
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2004, 08:39:15 AM »
its not recent but ill give you that.

But still my point is this. you'll never see any other country owing the UN a billion dollars...why? because America has to fund the most money to the UN, and for what.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2004, 11:58:42 AM »
its not recent but ill give you that.

But still my point is this. you'll never see any other country owing the UN a billion dollars...why? because America has to fund the most money to the UN, and for what.

What do you mean for what? Their is a reason why America pays alot, because it has a powerful voice within the UN? What do u think poor America is being extorted for billions while having the same influence as Botswana?
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2004, 10:42:06 PM »
What do u think poor America is being extorted for billions while having the same influence as Botswana?

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2004, 10:57:51 PM »
Do not try to tell me that U.S. could not easily give $500 per citizen in aid, without even TOUCHING the regular Americans income or taxes.
Cut down on that enormous sick war machine of yours instead.
Why don't you pull out some numbers on how many billions you use on wars/military ehh.. ?

Show me how we could do that. Please break down the numbers for me.

 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2004, 11:01:14 PM »
What a moron. Sonned and still not shutting the fuck up.

if 2000 ppl give me 100 bucks, and 50 give me 10 bucks, I pretty much realize the 2nd group cares more for me and donates more money per citizen for me. that's what it comes down to.

Here's your formula:

1.) Bash the US with a poorly constructed paranoid argument.
2.) Get shown facts and arguments backed up with reason.
3.) ??????
4.) Claim you "Sonned" people.

What could possibly go through your head to make you think that 13 billion dollars is less than 1 billion dollars?




 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2004, 11:15:22 PM »
Ok, here's some facts for that azz, especially for you Engel:

* U.S. uses the most money on military, in fact it uses as much as countries ranked number 2 to 18 in the world COMBINED.
* The 2004 military budget for U.S. was predicted to $400 BILLION, but I will not be surprised if it ends up at 450 to 500.
* $400 Billion divided on 294 Million Americans = NO LESS than $1360 (!!!!) per citizen.
* If the total ends up on 450 bill. or 500 bill. instead, each American will pay $1530 or $1700.

You're still telling me that U.S. can not afford $500 per capita in aid, instead of bombing them.. ??
Case closed.

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2004, 11:34:08 PM »
Please name me one country that gives more money than the United States. (Japan might be up there, but I think we still give more)

Also Jome, what we've been discussing, is official government aid. Take a look at this article

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0623/p11s02-wmpi.htm

When the going gets tough, Americans keep giving - to the tune of nearly $241 billion.

Charitable donations for 2002 set a new high, rising 1 percent over 2001's total in current dollars, according to Giving USA, a report released Monday by the American Association of Fundraising Counsel's Trust for Philanthropy in Indianapolis. The estimated $240.92 billion in gifts equaled 2.3 percent of US gross domestic product.

True not all of this is Forgien aid, but I'l be willing to bet that more than 10% of that goes over seas.

Case Closed?

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2004, 11:52:36 PM »
That's voluntarily donations from individuals & companies..
And a lot of that does not even go overseas, we're talking about the OFFICIAL aid here.
I proved my point.. that the average U.S. citizen funds 30 times as much money on war, than they fund aid.

You could argue that Americans voluntarily donates to aid, cuz they know that the government uses 30 times as much money on war than they do on aid, THAT would be a valid argument.



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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2004, 04:46:53 AM »
What a moron. Sonned and still not shutting the fuck up.

if 2000 ppl give me 100 bucks, and 50 give me 10 bucks, I pretty much realize the 2nd group cares more for me and donates more money per citizen for me. that's what it comes down to.

Here's your formula:

1.) Bash the US with a poorly constructed paranoid argument.
2.) Get shown facts and arguments backed up with reason.
3.) ??????
4.) Claim you "Sonned" people.

What could possibly go through your head to make you think that 13 billion dollars is less than 1 billion dollars?

Here's your formula:

1.) Defend the US no matter how cruel, unjustified, ignorant, hypocritical, double-standard-based, senseless, useless, silly etc its behaviour or anything else for that matter is.
2.) Search for neo-conservative Websites and try to find some questionable statistics or an article written by a true american patriot.
3.) Get personally offended by anything no matter how true it is someone says against the US.
4.) Then finally, as ironic as it sounds and actually also is, claim other ppl are biased and ignorant.
5.) When you eventually get sonned, which is most likely inevitable, try to offend the person who sonned you personally. Waste a whole new thread for it if youre pleased.

What could possibly go through your head to make you think that 330 bucks arent more than 50.
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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2004, 10:37:50 AM »
That's voluntarily donations from individuals & companies..
And a lot of that does not even go overseas, we're talking about the OFFICIAL aid here.
I proved my point.. that the average U.S. citizen funds 30 times as much money on war, than they fund aid.

You could argue that Americans voluntarily donates to aid, cuz they know that the government uses 30 times as much money on war than they do on aid, THAT would be a valid argument.





Last time I checked, it wasn't the governments duty to fund aid to other countries.
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2004, 11:10:38 AM »
Last time I checked, it wasn't the governments duty to fund aid to other countries.

No.. ?
So U.S. giving $13 billion in aid must be a terrible mix-up.. ?
Somebody slipped with the pen in the budgets.. ?
 

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Re: Why does so many Americans dislike U.N. ???
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2004, 11:14:13 AM »
Nope. I'd say it was an indication of how Generous the United States is. We don't have to do shit, but we do anyways.