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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2004, 05:51:41 AM »
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.

You didn't 'son' anybody you nitwit.  Murder of someone else is a crime.  He commited a crime.  What you said is so stupid it's like saying- 'I robbed 2 banks and 3 houses and then ivested the money in mutual funds.  I haven't commited a crime.  What a fuck up.

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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2004, 10:31:05 AM »
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
 

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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2004, 04:52:09 PM »
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
It seems to have worked out fine for you.  But I know you will do it regardless if it's legal or ill-legal
 

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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2004, 06:02:30 PM »
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
It seems to have worked out fine for you.  But I know you will do it regardless if it's legal or ill-legal
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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2004, 04:11:59 PM »
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.

You didn't 'son' anybody you nitwit.  Murder of someone else is a crime.  He commited a crime.  What you said is so stupid it's like saying- 'I robbed 2 banks and 3 houses and then ivested the money in mutual funds.  I haven't commited a crime.  What a fuck up.

^lol he prolly didnt get it
Thats all this idiot has to say.
 

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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2004, 07:32:33 PM »
the us spends 30+ million dollars on weed alone, each year. they don't make it legal because you can grow it anywhere, and they would have no way of taxing it. if it were legal, it would be much harder for children to get, as well. its easily the most obtainable "drug" out there. cigs kill millions each year, but yet, weed never killed one person in history, and its supposedly one of the worst things you can get into. bunch of propaganda.
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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2004, 07:39:31 PM »
I haven't replied to this thread yet, because I honestly don't have a strong opinion on it.  On one hand, I don't really like laws or the government restricting anyone, but on the other hand I realize we need some laws and some order.  Honestly, I can tell you everyone has a pretty good point about Marijauna (hell, I can't even spell Marijuana)... I don't really consider it a dangerous drug.  In my opinion, you CAn get addicted to it, but basically you're only gonna harm yourself, and I don't believe it's as dangerous as Alcohol, which is of course legal.  So if they made Marijuana legal, you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me, but at the same time, I'm not gonna rush out and campaign for it.  I think Potheads are generally lazy, igorant people because all they want to do is sit around and get high.  I think the same thing about Drunks.  Anything is bad in excess, food is bad in excess.  If someone wants to smoke a joint on the weekend, I don't really have a problem with them.

Most other drugs I don't think should be legal.  I would never (at least in my present mindstate, maybe I'll change my mind some day) do any drug outside of Pot or Alcohol.  Exstacy, Crack, LSD, all that shit is for the dredges of society in my opinion, and I have a very low opinion of someone who does them. As for the laws, though, it's a decision above me, because it's much too complicated of a subject, there's a lot of history, these laws have been around forever, any minor change you make in any of these laws is going to have millions even billions of dollars worth of repercussions, ruin, and make peoples lives everywhere.   So it's a *BIG fucking decision, and I'm glad I don't have a fucking thing to do with it. 
 

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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2004, 02:05:56 PM »
I haven't replied to this thread yet, because I honestly don't have a strong opinion on it.  On one hand, I don't really like laws or the government restricting anyone, but on the other hand I realize we need some laws and some order.  Honestly, I can tell you everyone has a pretty good point about Marijauna (hell, I can't even spell Marijuana)... I don't really consider it a dangerous drug.  In my opinion, you CAn get addicted to it, but basically you're only gonna harm yourself, and I don't believe it's as dangerous as Alcohol, which is of course legal.  So if they made Marijuana legal, you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me, but at the same time, I'm not gonna rush out and campaign for it.  I think Potheads are generally lazy, igorant people because all they want to do is sit around and get high.  I think the same thing about Drunks.  Anything is bad in excess, food is bad in excess.  If someone wants to smoke a joint on the weekend, I don't really have a problem with them.

Most other drugs I don't think should be legal.  I would never (at least in my present mindstate, maybe I'll change my mind some day) do any drug outside of Pot or Alcohol.  Exstacy, Crack, LSD, all that shit is for the dredges of society in my opinion, and I have a very low opinion of someone who does them. As for the laws, though, it's a decision above me, because it's much too complicated of a subject, there's a lot of history, these laws have been around forever, any minor change you make in any of these laws is going to have millions even billions of dollars worth of repercussions, ruin, and make peoples lives everywhere.   So it's a *BIG fucking decision, and I'm glad I don't have a fucking thing to do with it. 
i agree with you about everything exept that, because, you cant stereotype, theres people who smoke pot every day, and function great at work and home, and lead great lives, and just smoke pot for different reasons.... i think some potheads gave themselves a bad rep, and ruined it for everyone else...
 

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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2004, 02:09:02 PM »
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.
 

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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2004, 04:26:15 PM »
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.

Where'd you read this from?
 

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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2004, 05:26:17 PM »
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.
 

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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2004, 05:29:17 PM »
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.

I don't know about lung cancer, but I'm 100% sure I have read and heard from reliable sources it does kill brain cells.
 

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« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2004, 06:29:04 PM »
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.
How else can you explain the "dumb" feeling you get after doing it?
 

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« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2004, 06:40:35 PM »
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml

Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?
-The short answer: No. The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.  The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

If it doesn't kill brain cells, how does it get you `high'?
-Killing brain cells is not a pre-requisite for getting `high.' Marijuana contains a chemical which substitutes for a natural brain chemical, with a few differences. This chemical touches special `buttons' on brain cells called `receptors.' Essentially, marijuana `tickles' brain cells. The legal drug alcohol also tickles brain cells, but it will damage and kill them by producing toxins (poisons) and sometimes mini-seizures. Also, some drugs will wear out the buttons which they push, but marijuana does not.

Don't people die from smoking pot?
-Nobody has ever overdosed. For any given substance, there are bound to be some people who have allergic reactions. With marijuana this is extremely rare, but it could happen with anything from apples to pop-tarts. Not one death has ever been directly linked to marijuana itself. In contrast, many legal drugs cause hundreds to hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, foremost among them are alcohol, nicotine, valium, aspirin, and caffiene. The biggest danger with marijuana is that it is illegal, and someone may mix it with another drug like PCP.

Marijuana is so safe that it would be almost impossible to overdose on it. Doctors determine how safe a drug is by measuring how much it takes to kill a person (they call this the LD50) and comparing it to the amount of the drug which is usually taken (ED50). This makes marijuana hundreds of times safer than alcohol, tobacco, or caffiene. According to a DEA Judge ``marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind.''

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« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2004, 08:54:35 AM »
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.

Where'd you read this from?
HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA
COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?
Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports. 
TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000
ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders)  150,000+
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose)  180 to 1,000+
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.)  1,000 to 10,000 
"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol  14,000 to 27,000 
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200 
MARIJUANA 0 
(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.). 


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."

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3.  The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects.  Can the drug cause death?

4.  Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects.  But marijuana is not such a substance.  There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience.  Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.  Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision.  Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6.  By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7.  Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50.  The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity.  A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success.  Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8.  At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000.  In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette.  NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams.  A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9.  In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

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weed does not kill brain cells either. it merges them together(thats where short term comes from), and it has been proven to also protect from deadly diseases. worst thing you get from smoking bud is short term memory, which can be taken care of with a legal drug you can buy at the store called lethitician(i think thats how its spelled)
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« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2004, 09:45:03 AM »
Marijuana gets an extremely bad rep. Alot of people assume "since its illegal, its gotta be bad"
Not everything is as extreme as heroin.
 

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« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2004, 12:10:38 PM »
Thanks for all the info smartass 8)
 

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« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2004, 12:17:58 PM »
Marijuana causes loss of your short memory.
 

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Re: Drugs need to be legalized
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2004, 02:11:05 PM »
marijuana does NOT kill brain cells, does NOT damage your immune system, does NOT harm your reproductive organs
, but it DOES harm your lungs, cause its smoke, and chemicals being inhaled, damages lungs, its not even that its weed, inhaling any kind of smoke is damaging