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Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2004, 09:21:33 PM »
Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?
I wouldn't call it censorship. It doesn't even fit into the same category. Did the government step in and tell her not to say something or else she would face consequences? Nope. She chose to politicize her concert, and the owners of the venue chose not to accept it.

Interesting..
I never mentioned the government, but she was still being censored by the concert people who closed it down..
Personally, I'd be pissed if I got fired for telling people to go see a movie, political or not.
Would you accept being fired for this.. ?

Jome, You really can't be comparing the two can you? 8 mile is a movie about a rapper. Entertainment. the moore movie is a highly political flick that obviously a lot of people don't agree with.

"Ms Ronstadt was hired to entertain the guests of the Aladdin, not to espouse her political views. In an effort to defuse the situation, Linda Ronstadt was asked to leave the property immediately following her performance,"

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040720/ts_alt_afp/us_politics_music_people_040720193348

This is a non issue.


Politics = Entertainment
In the U.S. at least.. and Michael Moore is a entertaining mofo, at least to people with a non-biased point of view.

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that obviously a lot of people don't agree with

And this is a argument to shut down her show.. ?
It's funny how hot-headed some people get when the name Michael Moore is brought up, it's obvious that he hit some vital nerves..

 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2004, 09:26:52 PM »
Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?
I wouldn't call it censorship. It doesn't even fit into the same category. Did the government step in and tell her not to say something or else she would face consequences? Nope. She chose to politicize her concert, and the owners of the venue chose not to accept it.

Interesting..
I never mentioned the government, but she was still being censored by the concert people who closed it down..
Personally, I'd be pissed if I got fired for telling people to go see a movie, political or not.
Would you accept being fired for this.. ?
I wouldn't be stupid enough to make remarks like that. If I was an entertainer, I'd do just that: entertain. People don't like me for my political views, they like me for my songs.

Politics = Entertainment
In the U.S. at least.. and Michael Moore is a entertaining mofo, at least to people with a non-biased point of view.

Did you just say Michael more was Un-biased?

Have you even seen his movie? Have you seen any of his movies? Moor himself admits he's one of the most biased people out there.



And this is a argument to shut down her show.. ?
It's funny how hot-headed some people get when the name Michael Moore is brought up, it's obvious that he hit some vital nerves..
If the Alladin felt it was going to hurt their busienss, and obviously it was cause people were getting upset, it was great decision to make.
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2004, 09:42:50 PM »
They edited out Jada's "Why did Bush knock down them towers?" line, that's not freedom of speech.
Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?





who the fuck are THEY?

the government didn't edit Jada. Jada's fucking record company edited it out......why? probably didn't want a back lash... a la  Rondstat, Dixie Chicks, ect.

Jome please stop being so niggled


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Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2004, 09:49:27 PM »
Did you just say Michael more was Un-biased?

Have you even seen his movie? Have you seen any of his movies? Moor himself admits he's one of the most biased people out there.


Don't misquote me, I said Moore is entertaining, not that he is non-biased.
I have seen his movies, he's pretty funny.. I'd also say he's so idealistic that it makes him biased, but that's good in one way imo.. he stands for what he believes in.

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If the Alladin felt it was going to hurt their busienss, and obviously it was cause people were getting upset, it was great decision to make.

Fine, but you still can't say it's not censorship..
If a couple had sex on stage (like a couple did in Norway some weeks ago), and they were taken off stage, that would also be censorship because some people didn't like it.. wouldn't it.. ?


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Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2004, 09:50:46 PM »
who the fuck are THEY?

the government didn't edit Jada. Jada's fucking record company edited it out......why? probably didn't want a back lash... a la  Rondstat, Dixie Chicks, ect.

Jome please stop being so niggled

Calm down, MTV censored it, not his record company.
I NEVER said that the government censored it, you Americans take everything to heart.
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2004, 10:01:35 PM »
Fine, but you still can't say it's not censorship..
If a couple had sex on stage (like a couple did in Norway some weeks ago), and they were taken off stage, that would also be censorship because some people didn't like it.. wouldn't it.. ?
So, people countering your opinion with their own, differing, opinion and speaking with their check books is censorship? Nope. It's not censorship just because you misread your audience.  When the GOVERNMENT says you can't do something under penalty of law, that's censorship. When private actors level sanctions/boycotts against other private actors, that's freedom of association
 

Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2004, 10:10:48 PM »
So, people countering your opinion with their own, differing, opinion and speaking with their check books is censorship? Nope. It's not censorship just because you misread your audience.  When the GOVERNMENT says you can't do something under penalty of law, that's censorship. When private actors level sanctions/boycotts against other private actors, that's freedom of association

People pulling you off stage because they do not like the movie you're plugging, and banning you from returning = Censorship.

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censoring.
# A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.

Done.
The concert people considered it to be politically objectionable, they CENSORED her.

 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2004, 10:12:37 PM »
sure, the hotel could fire her - but to escort her off the property like a criminal, not even allowing her to go to her hotel room and collect her belongings - thats something else.

u tell me to go up to my boss and tell him to kiss my ass - thats nothing like this situation - she didnt insult anyone, she never said anything bad about the hotel or her fans attending the concert. all the fuck she did is say she liked a movie and dedicated a song to Michael Moore - it isnt offending anyone, it isnt being rude.

and even if freedom of speech doesnt cover this, no one answered the question why an artist should get punished for speaking her mind?
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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2004, 10:18:13 PM »
They edited out Jada's "Why did Bush knock down them towers?" line, that's not freedom of speech.
Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?

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Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush (news - web sites).

This is too funny..
If Eminem told people on stage to go see 8 Mile, how would that be dramaticly different.. ?
Unless she made personal attacks against Bush, I can't see what fuckup she has done.. ???


she was in america dissing the president...maybe the people at the concert love the president??? so they bood her....
 

Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 10:20:27 PM »
she was in america dissing the president...maybe the people at the concert love the president??? so they bood her....

Who said she was dissing the president.. ?
The article only says she recommended a Michael Moore movie.
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2004, 11:01:53 PM »
*Contemplates moving this to ToT*

hmm...
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2004, 01:25:40 AM »
^^ Is it THAT EASY to get fired in the States.. ??  :laugh:
Who said anything about the government, nobody blamed Bush yet.. ? lol


^ Freedom of speech only applies when dealing with the government.  She was on private property, and therefore had no freedom of speech. 
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2004, 09:03:34 AM »
this is like arguing why you don't hear westcoast rappers on the radio. is that censorship too? is the government holding back their freedom of speech? afraid not

like someone said, she's a singer. i don't go to concerts to here the political ramblings of a singer i go for the music. that's like going to a Dentist and he tries to evaluate your mental state.
 

Jome

Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2004, 10:43:54 AM »
^ Freedom of speech only applies when dealing with the government.  She was on private property, and therefore had no freedom of speech. 

I said she was censored, and she was..
You don't have to be censored by the government to be censored.
 

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Re: Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2004, 11:05:55 AM »
So, people countering your opinion with their own, differing, opinion and speaking with their check books is censorship? Nope. It's not censorship just because you misread your audience.  When the GOVERNMENT says you can't do something under penalty of law, that's censorship. When private actors level sanctions/boycotts against other private actors, that's freedom of association.