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all you believers, tell me. I dont get it.

I of course know why religion and stuff exists and why some ppl believe in it, but I want to hear your version.

I opened this topic in order to stop the offtopic-ness in several other topics in which we went off-topic starting to debate this ^topic.
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This is my first and only reply to this thread because I don't like t discuss about religion.

I'm an athiest. I don't see how anyone can even believe in God (or Allah or whatever there is to believe in LOL). Well, if you get raised with religion I kind of understand... but seriously, if you just think soberly and down to earth... how the fuck can you believe in (a) God? Really, I don't get it. When I was in America many Mormons tried to convert me (I believe that's part of their religion :P), but nobody will ever be able to get me to believe.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, it are just my 5 cents.
 

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I'm not Religious, but I'm not Atheist.  To me, being Atheist is the same as being Religious.  Both spend time thinking and acting about god(s); whether positively or negatively.  It's all the same to me.  I choose not to even think about it.  I don't feel I need that in my life.  But at the same time, it's easy for me to see why people feel the way they do.

I don't think Religious people are weak minded.  They are religious because they like it.  It makes them feel good to believe in what they do.  If it didn't, they wouldn't do it.  Simple as that.  That's how I see it anyway.

You can't prove that God exsists, just like you can't prove he doesn't.  Nobody knows how everything got here.  But does it really matter?

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For many years in my life, I questioned wither God existed or not. The questioned wrestled in my head, because one I am raised Catholic so according to that the question should never be brought up, and two there is no way a reasonable person can prove God exist. I tried reading the Bible, but all I got was a huge confusing story about Jews and kings and stuff like that, and a God that we can't prove existed. Over the course of my life, many things have happened that can't be explained. My mother was sick from many years of drug use, and was getting worst. The doctors could do nothing. Like any person that was desprate, I prayed like I never prayed before. When all my prayers where out, and I was ready to give up, my mom was better. Since then I have prayed over many things, things that there is no way it can be done, and God has answered my prayers. In the Bible, it says seek and you shall find, as Jesus said that himself. It is historical fact Jesus was a real person. Now if he was truly who he said he was, or a old school hippy with some identity problems is up for your debate. But when you feel God's presents, and he is there for you, it is hard to not believe in him. A interesting fact, if you go to third world nations, or poor communities, the people who have every right in the world to hate God, or Allah, of whoever, they are the most religious people. Those that have been blessed by a religious person judgement, they are the least religious. Food for thought.
 

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I believ in him too
Im not really being raised catholic, But I know he exsist, He helps me when I pray
I just feel it in my hart, yall know im sayin
I dont care if u or anyone else believs in god, I can be down wit ya.
But dont disrespect, then I cant be down wit ya

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God exists alright. I used to be an athiest. I'd say shit like "Fuck God". Then after I graduated from the 6th grade, my life really started to suck. It took me a while, but after i put two and two together, I realized God was doing these things to me to punish me for badmouthing him. I don't really beleive in religion. How the fuck are we supposed to know what God wants? Only thing religion does is divide us.

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religion can exist without god ;)


look at it like this... even a christian who doesn't believe in "god" can still believe in the message taught
 

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The reason why the worst countries to live in are generally the most religious is because religion gives hopes and makes promises of things getting better in the future.

Sure, weak-mindedness is neither a requirement nor a characteristic of religious people as a whole. But in general, such people are more likely to be(come) religious as they have more need for an external hope and drive then stronger-willed people. I feel it's the hope provided that makes people religious. You'll have more succes trying to convert an addict trying his very hardest to become clean again then converting someone who's unreligious and very happy in life.
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My only comment will be that one of the most ironic things I've ever noticed about religion, is that those who don't believe in it, or God, usually have a pretty negative or condescending view of those who do; all the while thinking that the religious one is the overzealous bigot. 
 

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I feel it's the hope provided that makes people rt trying his very hardest to become clean again then converting someone who's unreligious and very happy in life.

A greater man than you once said it more eloquently:

(Matthew 19:23-25.)

23 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
 

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Mdogg, Z, Trauma..

.. to me, the whole reason for the fact that happy ppl most frequently give a fuck about praying and ppl with a fucked up life or many problems most frequently pray every day, is simple.

you know the saying "Opium for the People" -- religion is like a drug for the poor. When you have nothing in life, you pray to god cause an imaginary figure is all you can rely on in life, sad as it may sound. That's the only thing you can catch hope from. When your mother is ill and no doctor can do shit, all you can do is talk to an imaginary figure. And so on. Works for everything.
and on the other hand, when you have everything you want in a happy life, and dont want to change anything that you couldnt easily do by yourself, why the hell would you talk to an imaginary figure? you dont even need hope or something. there's simply no need. so you dont give a crap about praying, dont go to church, dont live religious, dont believe in god. why the hell should you? you dont need "Him". you can deal with the fact that he does not exist, cause you dont need Him.

of course the persons who do need God wont accept the fact that he doesnt really exist that easy. that's what it's all about.



p.s.: dont get me wrong Im not saying that Atheists are always happy and strong believers always arent. nono.
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Mdogg, Z, Trauma..

.. to me, the whole reason for the fact that happy ppl most frequently give a fuck about praying and ppl with a fucked up life or many problems most frequently pray every day, is simple.

you know the saying "Opium for the People" -- religion is like a drug for the poor. When you have nothing in life, you pray to god cause an imaginary figure is all you can rely on in life, sad as it may sound.

what about people that are well to do that believe in god.  what about people that are not poor,  not well to do but still believe.  Man your whole idea is fucked upl.
 

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Poor people arent the only group of people that believe in God.

Gods sole purpose isnt a crutch for people who have horrible lives.
 

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All denominations and religions aside, I believe in a divine creator based on common logic.

Someone/something had to create this world, this universe we live in. You look around in today's society, buildings have to be built, they do not just develop over hundreds of millions of years. Factories to not run on their own, people have to keep it running and maintain it. Cars and airplanes do not just come together over long periods of time, to believe that would be simply illogical.

So with that, I just cannot believe that this world was developed over hundreds of millions of years by shear luck. Even if the world came together by chance, why does it run like a well oiled machine? I think it takes more faith to believe that than all of the religions combined.

I don't know how anyone can go outside, look around at his environment, and believe that it all came together by chance.
 

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All denominations and religions aside, I believe in a divine creator based on common logic.

Someone/something had to create this world, this universe we live in. You look around in today's society, buildings have to be built, they do not just develop over hundreds of millions of years. Factories to not run on their own, people have to keep it running and maintain it. Cars and airplanes do not just come together over long periods of time, to believe that would be simply illogical.

So with that, I just cannot believe that this world was developed over hundreds of millions of years by shear luck. Even if the world came together by chance, why does it run like a well oiled machine? I think it takes more faith to believe that than all of the religions combined.

I don't know how anyone can go outside, look around at his environment, and believe that it all came together by chance.

When I was in doubt, that argument was the only reason I even gave God a second thought.
 

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I don't know how anyone can go outside, look around at his environment, and believe that it all came together by chance.

Yeah, I think of that pretty much daily.  I'm a hippie, though. 
 

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yeah like sikotik said, even if the world came together by chance how does and DID it get so complex and work so well.


also on another tip, i've noticed

 many people who really believe in and follow god really live happier lives than those who don't


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All denominations and religions aside, I believe in a divine creator based on common logic.

Someone/something had to create this world, this universe we live in. You look around in today's society, buildings have to be built, they do not just develop over hundreds of millions of years. Factories to not run on their own, people have to keep it running and maintain it. Cars and airplanes do not just come together over long periods of time, to believe that would be simply illogical.

So with that, I just cannot believe that this world was developed over hundreds of millions of years by shear luck. Even if the world came together by chance, why does it run like a well oiled machine? I think it takes more faith to believe that than all of the religions combined.

I don't know how anyone can go outside, look around at his environment, and believe that it all came together by chance.

Mdogg, Z, Trauma..

.. to me, the whole reason for the fact that happy ppl most frequently give a fuck about praying and ppl with a fucked up life or many problems most frequently pray every day, is simple.

you know the saying "Opium for the People" -- religion is like a drug for the poor. When you have nothing in life, you pray to god cause an imaginary figure is all you can rely on in life, sad as it may sound.

what about people that are well to do that believe in god.  what about people that are not poor,  not well to do but still believe.  Man your whole idea is fucked upl.

yeah like sikotik said, even if the world came together by chance how does and DID it get so complex and work so well.


also on another tip, i've noticed

 many people who really believe in and follow god really live happier lives than those who don't
 

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The main argument of our believers is that they can not understand how everything could have come to be by chance. The observant reader will notice that this argument is one based on negative grounds. It basically says that because they are not able to comprehend it, it can't have been the case. Their argument is thus based on the limitations of their imagination.

This is not to say that is stupid or bad..I find it incredible too. But I find the idea of an allmighty power creating, yes making, every single thing by itself while it being immortal and without origin itself much more unbelievable then life being the result of a extraordinary chemical reaction. Where would this allmighty power itself have come from? I see people writing ' How could life itself have been without an external origin?' The same works for God. And in that case we aren't dealing with anything simple and undeveloped as the first living cell would of course have been but with something that is supposed to be the greatest thing ever to have existed. Completely improbable.
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also on another tip, i've noticed

 many people who really believe in and follow god really live happier lives than those who don't

Another reason why the phrase 'Religion is opium for the people' is so on point.
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im an atheist. i see no need to have God (or a similar holy figure) in my life. I guide my own ethics and morals with no guide from a book and I have no need to thinks humans as more then just a biological creature. i find life as amazing as it is, no need to add some sort of holy level to it.

But I understand why people do follow religions and believe in God. They need to be comforted by something, they need an uncorrupted hero to admire and look for guidance from since that doesn't exist within humanity. I havent been through that much trauma through my life but some people have had it fucked. they need to feel there is a superior being there for them. it keeps people going so I respect it. I don't think its stupidity or being naive - just satsifying certain needs.
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good god why have I to explain everything  >:(

my response, that isnt "fucked up" at all, was referring to this:
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A interesting fact, if you go to third world nations, or poor communities, the people who have every right in the world to hate God, or Allah, of whoever, they are the most religious people. Those that have been blessed by a religious person judgement, they are the least religious. Food for thought.

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A greater man than you once said it more eloquently:

(Matthew 19:23-25.)

23 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

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The reason why the worst countries to live in are generally the most religious is because religion gives hopes and makes promises of things getting better in the future.


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p.s.: dont get me wrong Im not saying that Atheists are always happy and strong believers always arent. nono.

'nuff bout this...





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The main argument of our believers is that they can not understand how everything could have come to be by chance. The observant reader will notice that this argument is one based on negative grounds. It basically says that because they are not able to comprehend it, it can't have been the case. Their argument is thus based on the limitations of their imagination.

Damn right. Ppl cant understand something, so they create something bigger. Same thing with UFOs :D, ppl dont know what it is, so it must be something  greater.
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I'm not Religious, but I'm not Atheist.  To me, being Atheist is the same as being Religious.  Both spend time thinking and acting about god(s); whether positively or negatively.  It's all the same to me.  I choose not to even think about it.  I don't feel I need that in my life.  But at the same time, it's easy for me to see why people feel the way they do.

I don't think Religious people are weak minded.  They are religious because they like it.  It makes them feel good to believe in what they do.  If it didn't, they wouldn't do it.  Simple as that.  That's how I see it anyway.

You can't prove that God exsists, just like you can't prove he doesn't.  Nobody knows how everything got here.  But does it really matter?


those are pretty much my views on the subject...


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