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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2004, 03:36:32 PM »
You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.

No.  You didn't say that.  You said, "Who said he's a dead man?".  Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon. 

Wrong.

So then you do think that he's a dead man.  And Sadr has publicly said that he knows he is a dead man.  And he has repeatedly put himself in harms way and been inches from death and been shot at.  So then now you must know he is not doing it for power!  Thank you for completing my argument.
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2004, 03:38:52 PM »
You need to read a little bit less selective. I said this man wants to become that, yes.

No.  You didn't say that.  You said, "Who said he's a dead man?".  Which obviously implies that you don't think that he is going to die soon. 

Wrong.

So then you do think that he's a dead man.  And Sadr has publicly said that he knows he is a dead man.  And he has repeatedly put himself in harms way and been inches from death and been shot at.  So then now you must know he is not doing it for power!  Thank you for completing my argument.

Why don't you go ask some elementary schools if you can take reading classes. Maybe one of em will allow you to.
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2004, 04:26:33 PM »
Dont talk smack about al-sadr, he may infact become the new leader of iraq when us troops pull out.  ;D
I disagree with "How can we promote democracy, if we dont even have it."

1) Just because most of our population doesnt vote, doesnt mean we dont have democracy.
2) Democracy doesnt work by "Popular Vote", our leaders are elected by the electoral college 

Im not taking a side on if iraq should have a democracy or what not, but the fact remains setting up a stable government in their country is going to take years.  There country still has to get through car bombs everday, before they can set up a government.
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2004, 05:19:26 PM »
the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.

the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.


basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2004, 07:12:32 PM »
Dont talk smack about al-sadr, he may infact become the new leader of iraq when us troops pull out.  ;D
I disagree with "How can we promote democracy, if we dont even have it."

1) Just because most of our population doesnt vote, doesnt mean we dont have democracy.
2) Democracy doesnt work by "Popular Vote", our leaders are elected by the electoral college 

Im not taking a side on if iraq should have a democracy or what not, but the fact remains setting up a stable government in their country is going to take years.  There country still has to get through car bombs everday, before they can set up a government.

Wrong.  Bush also lost the electoral vote.  His whole presidency is a fraud.  The election was fixed.  This has been proven that votes were thrown out that would have made Gore the winner.
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2004, 07:16:04 PM »
the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.

the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.


basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.


The media has got you man.  They got you good.  That's what America wants everybody to think.  The government wanted the uprising that's going on right now, so that it would be easy for America to justify it's occupation of Iraq.  The government wanted and planned for there to be unrest in Iraq, so that they could fool people into thinking that they must stay there to provide so-called "stability".  Meanwhile, the Bush family, Cheney family, and all their associates are making billions off Iraq's oil.

But really, there is no Sunni, Shiite issue.  That's Western media playing that up.  I went to a Muslim resteraunt yesterday, they had a satellite, and they were watching Arab news, and they were showing Sunni's, Shiite's, and all the Muslim religious leaders joining together for Friday prayer and demanding that the US end it's occupation.

The US has no business being there, and the US is not providing stability in Iraq, but rather they (America) are the root cause of the unrest in Iraq.  If the US leaves, then Iraq can begin to gain control of their resources and achieve peace and prosperity.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2004, 07:22:02 PM by Hajj Ibrahim Islam »
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2004, 08:16:39 PM »
Wrong.  Bush also lost the electoral vote.  His whole presidency is a fraud.  The election was fixed.  This has been proven that votes were thrown out that would have made Gore the winner.
Where has it been proven that votes were thrown out?

Yeah..... us americans are very very brainwashed. I think your religion is brainwashing you.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2004, 08:27:08 PM by rampant »
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2004, 11:23:57 PM »
Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line

In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2004, 09:20:59 AM »
the car bombs are party due to american occupation but also due to the american puppet goverment which the population has no faith in. the president worked with the cia, he also blew up a school bus full of children when saddam was still in power.

the thing with sadr he came to power by murdering the previous cleric so should be arrested but he has been offered into to the political fold but he knows giving up arms will lose his support so pretty irrelivant and is stuck in an movable position.


basically i see iraq as a big mess we can't leave now after we fucked everything up for them but also we can do to little help with them progress into an independent nation there is too much resentment of occupying forces and internal power stuggles. i think the UN needs to take a much more central role paid for by america but not influenced by america. once some kind of legitimate government can be installed iraq will become more stable it won't work the other way round.


The media has got you man.  They got you good.  That's what America wants everybody to think.  The government wanted the uprising that's going on right now, so that it would be easy for America to justify it's occupation of Iraq.  The government wanted and planned for there to be unrest in Iraq, so that they could fool people into thinking that they must stay there to provide so-called "stability".  Meanwhile, the Bush family, Cheney family, and all their associates are making billions off Iraq's oil.

But really, there is no Sunni, Shiite issue.  That's Western media playing that up.  I went to a Muslim resteraunt yesterday, they had a satellite, and they were watching Arab news, and they were showing Sunni's, Shiite's, and all the Muslim religious leaders joining together for Friday prayer and demanding that the US end it's occupation.

The US has no business being there, and the US is not providing stability in Iraq, but rather they (America) are the root cause of the unrest in Iraq.  If the US leaves, then Iraq can begin to gain control of their resources and achieve peace and prosperity.


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OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2004, 02:24:11 AM »
DUDE
PLz Shut The Fuck Up
OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
PLZ GET REALAND SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE or BLOW URSELF UP


WHO'S ATTACKIN THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN? DO U HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? TERRORISTS ATTACK AMERICA FOR OIL?? WOW......DO US ALL A FAVOR AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.





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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2004, 04:46:54 AM »
DUDE
PLz Shut The Fuck Up
OK so bush does it for oil
where do those gay terrorist it for
Bush dont attack his own people for fun
U should mind ur own bussnis, just like wit those porn threads
PLZ GET REALAND SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE or BLOW URSELF UP



WHO'S ATTACKIN THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN? DO U HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? TERRORISTS ATTACK AMERICA FOR OIL?? WOW......DO US ALL A FAVOR AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.






haha
I was talkin bout saddam attackin his own people
Terrorist attack america becuz from the day they were born they being told americans are bad and u need to kill them



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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2004, 09:53:19 AM »
Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line

In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board

yes. he really showed his intelligence in that sudan thread.
 

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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2004, 09:59:04 AM »
Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line

In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board
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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2004, 11:54:16 PM »
Ha ha, Infinite shut down Mauzip, on some Iverson cross over at the top of the key, broken ankles, Mauzip lyin in pain while Infinite 360ing that shit from the free throw line

In spite of all the shit yall condemn Infinite for, Infinite > 99% of this board

yes. he really showed his intelligence in that sudan thread.

Yeah but u know what, in the Sudan case, there is what the mainstream media is reporting and that may not necessairly be true. Theres always 2 sides to something no?
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Re: Where's the democracy in Afganistan and Iraq?
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2004, 06:41:27 AM »
Im tired of people saying all this war shit is for the oil and shit.

Even if this war on terriosm was for oil(which its not) who gives a fuck. We need it so i really dont give a fuck if we do take the oil, no1s gunna stop us!

 More oil for us = lowers gas prices, energy prices, and better enconmy which = more money for us!

And i dont know about you but i like haveing more cash in the bank.