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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2004, 04:31:54 PM »
damn... i never knew they didn't have to pay taxes... i know an indian family that's living kind of poorly on a reservation, but they have a LOT of money... now i know why :-X
 

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2004, 04:34:07 PM »
damn... i never knew they didn't have to pay taxes... i know an indian family that's living kind of poorly on a reservation, but they have a LOT of money... now i know why :-X

prolly cuzz they like to save it
native americans like to save stuff...
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2004, 04:35:58 PM »
Leave the Natives alone, they deserve all the good shit they can get...its been a long brutal past for them and their ancestors and its their fucking land.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2004, 04:37:29 PM »
its been a long brutal past for them and their ancestors and its their fucking land.

very true
 

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Re: Native North Americans (Indains, First Nations or whatever).......
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2004, 04:38:23 PM »
damn... i never knew they didn't have to pay taxes... i know an indian family that's living kind of poorly on a reservation, but they have a LOT of money... now i know why :-X

prolly cuzz they like to save it
native americans like to save stuff...

these people spend a lot of money though lol
 

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2004, 05:24:17 PM »
I believe that they should be given government subsidized land, housing, etc... but I believe they should have to pay taxes.

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2004, 05:26:08 PM »
Leave the Natives alone, they deserve all the good shit they can get...its been a long brutal past for them and their ancestors and its their fucking land.
Ok, a 20 year old native american, who lives a normal american life.

How has his life been brutal? What experiences (apart from every other american) have they had, that are so bad, that they deserve tax exemption and ability to get into colleges easier.

 

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2004, 05:35:32 PM »
Leave the Natives alone, they deserve all the good shit they can get...its been a long brutal past for them and their ancestors and its their fucking land.

props 8)
 

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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2004, 06:31:22 PM »
Leave the Natives alone, they deserve all the good shit they can get...its been a long brutal past for them and their ancestors and its their fucking land.
Ok, a 20 year old native american, who lives a normal american life.

How has his life been brutal? What experiences (apart from every other american) have they had, that are so bad, that they deserve tax exemption and ability to get into colleges easier.



Like me!!!!!!! partly, I'm only like 25% Paiute, but I lived with my grandma who was 100%. Anyways, let me break it down for you a bit. How would you feel if someone came to your house, took it over, and said they are the people making rules around here and you are of no importance to them. Them to look around, and see everyone that is like you dying. Then your grandkids have no one to learn the culture from. Now lets put you in my generation. You know where you are from, you know your history, but you don't know a damn thing about what it means to be who you are. There are only 19 people left from your tribe. You are asking anyone who knows anything, because you are trying to find your culture, your way of being. The land that was suppose to be your land is gone. Your tribe doesn't even have a reservation because no one is left. Another tribe is willing to adobt you, and with their casino money, pay off your student loans. You go to college to learn what the white man knows, so you can understand better why they did what they did. To be honest, that's a big part of my questioning, WHY? Other natives, they get mad, they get resentful, because this is land that was suppose to be ours. When you look at United States society, it's stressful, it's fast pace, it's all about money. Our culture is not like that. It's community, it's about sharing, we get lost trying to fit in, because we are not the type of people that can fit in Capitalist society. I want to know why things happened. You can't changed the past, but to me, I want to understand it better, in hopes of finding a way to help natives cope with the future.
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2004, 07:21:29 PM »
So lets say somone stole 20$ from my great great grandfather. So later when im alive, a relative of that theif comes to me and says "heres 20$ that my great great grandfather stole from yours....."

Honestly do you think i'd give a shit about that....no. I have put myself in a currently living native american life. Its not like the government is blocking them from having normal lives, there not imprisoning them. They can live a normal life. They should get any shit extra.

Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.
Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.
Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.
Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.

ON, and ON , and ON. What makes indians so special? Because hundreds of years ago we kicked them off their land? Big deal get over it.

And by the way. Thanx for the negative karma guys. I didnt know we had so many indians on this board. God cant give my opinion without people dissing me.
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2004, 07:23:14 PM »
^^that mistreatment happened even 10 years ago, maybe even still today
 

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2004, 09:29:51 PM »
I believe that they should be given government subsidized land, housing, etc... but I believe they should have to pay taxes.

i know some reservations had houses built for them but they burned them down
 

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2004, 09:35:08 PM »
So lets say somone stole 20$ from my great great grandfather. So later when im alive, a relative of that theif comes to me and says "heres 20$ that my great great grandfather stole from yours....."

Honestly do you think i'd give a shit about that....no. I have put myself in a currently living native american life. Its not like the government is blocking them from having normal lives, there not imprisoning them. They can live a normal life. They should get any shit extra.

Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.
Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.
Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.
Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.

ON, and ON , and ON. What makes indians so special? Because hundreds of years ago we kicked them off their land? Big deal get over it.

And by the way. Thanx for the negative karma guys. I didnt know we had so many indians on this board. God cant give my opinion without people dissing me.

we don't give any of them breaks because there's still millions of them left alive...whens the last time you saw 5 indians hanging together?

honestly, i don't see what the deal is about letting them be tax exempt and have their own land.... there's probably less than 100,000 of them alive...
 

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Re: Native North Americans (Indains, First Nations or whatever).......
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2004, 09:35:59 PM »
So lets say somone stole 20$ from my great great grandfather. So later when im alive, a relative of that theif comes to me and says "heres 20$ that my great great grandfather stole from yours....."

Honestly do you think i'd give a shit about that....no. I have put myself in a currently living native american life. Its not like the government is blocking them from having normal lives, there not imprisoning them. They can live a normal life. They should get any shit extra.

Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.
Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.
Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.
Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.

ON, and ON , and ON. What makes indians so special? Because hundreds of years ago we kicked them off their land? Big deal get over it.

And by the way. Thanx for the negative karma guys. I didnt know we had so many indians on this board. God cant give my opinion without people dissing me.

why in the blue hell would I give you negative karma. I don't give negative karma, to me it's pointless. I am a positive person that only gives props. I am only trying to talk to you about a situation. Now let me answer your post.

Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.
No, they were promised a lot of things, but never got it. Tax exemptions though is completely different than what was promised but never given to Natives.
Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.
awww but we did give the people in camps money to make up for our mistake. Basically how slavery reperations argument came about. Once the U.S. gave teh Japanese money, then blacks started asking for money with slavery. Back then it was a justified argument because the effects of slavery was still felt in the black community, and racism was running wild.
Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.
We are at war with Iraqis. This happens through out history
Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.
That was a war. Though we did take many Vietnamese into our country, and gave them refugee money to start a new life here.

This is the main reason why we get tax exempts, NATIVES LIVE IN RESERVATION IN THEIR OWN LITTLE COUNTRIES. Peep game. Each reservation is treated like it's own country. Many years ago it was done by the U.S. to keep the Natives weak. If they are in little reservations, as their own country, then they cannot join together and fight back against the U.S. It was perfect, divide and conquer. They gave the Natives their own little nations, completely sovereign from the rest of the country. Back then, they left the Natives in the most unfertal, unwanted land they can find. To be human, they gave the Natives food, so they can live, and threaten the life of any Native willing to leave. Here's the funny part though. About 15 years ago, in California, one Native reservation on the way to Las Vegas thought that since they have their own rules, why don't they legalize gambling, so that when people are on their way to Vegas, they see a casino in California, and get some business. It was a way so that the Natives can start supporting ourselves. We didn't know we'd make this much money. But it's a way so that we can finally have an income in our own little tribes, technically little nations, and support ourselves. We are proud people, many natives hated the fact that the U.S. gave us our food, and took our land and treated us like babies because we couldn't we couldn't take care of ourselves. Our men in the reservation were ruined, our kids became out of control, we as a people were reduced to being a depended on U.S. society. After over 500 years of struggle against the white man, we finally have a way to take care of ourselves, support our people, build better schools on our reservation, and allow our people to live a better life. We are our own little country, remember that. Other than the aid that the U.S. gives us, we don't get much from tax money. Our roads for years were messed up, our schools were shitty, our houses were shacks. It was our money made from casinos that paid for bettering our live. So We take care of ourselves, not the U.S., so why should a reservation pay taxes. After being treated like shit for hundreds of years, we finally find a way to support ourselves, and you want that too. Fuck that!
 

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Re: Native North Americans (Indains, First Nations or whatever).......
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2004, 09:39:36 PM »
props to m-dogg