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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2004, 02:42:12 AM »


A boy recovers in a Fallujah hospital after a U.S. airstrike in Fallujah, Iraq Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004, which killed his father, according to hospital officials. U.S. jets pounded Fallujah early Saturday in the heaviest airstrikes in six months, including five 500-pound bombs dropped on insurgent targets.

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that poor child - my hope goes out to him and every other innocent that has been affected by the American government, Iraq government and terrorist, in war or not, regardless.

it is my belief that pictures like this need to be seen every day by the public in the countries that have invaded Iraq (my country included) - just so they remember what their government is doing.

and to Antonio, i apologize, i just got the impression that you were looking to justify the death of innocents, but impressions are often wrong. I agree the innocents killed by terrorists needs to be polled as much as the innocents killed by the the American government or any other government for that matter, although not neccessarily in the same thread, since the two polls are unrelated.

also i dont know why i put a capital for terrorist and not for government - force of habit i guess - in essays ive always been taught not to type government with a capital, and im constantly seeing the word "terror" with a capital T in headlines i guess it just forced it ways into my habits.



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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2004, 04:39:35 AM »
look at that fucking picture, thats those people EVERY MINUTE. and america couldnt give two fuckin shits, its sad.

we're the reason the hospital thats treating that baby is still there, those coward iraqi bastards use hospitals as their hideouts and then cry when someone inside gets hurt...

america should start doing this, we'll strap homeless and elderly to our tanks and planes and shit so we can get some sympathy...this is was, that's not the first innocent baby to ge tinjured and it won't be the last

I dont wanna turn this topic into a pro-Italian thing, but the saddest thing is that in Badgdad there's only the ITALIAN Red Cross, since the International one runned away from Iraq. And that's ridiculous. How you wanna help Iraq if you dont even have the International Red Cross or UN there? Ok, they bombed them, but shit, they HAVE to stay there. UN talks talks talks, blames blames blames.. but where they at? International Red Cross continues to blames blames blames.. but where the fuck they at?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2004, 04:41:11 AM »
also i dont know why i put a capital for terrorist and not for government - force of habit i guess - in essays ive always been taught not to type government with a capital, and im constantly seeing the word "terror" with a capital T in headlines i guess it just forced it ways into my habits.

Yeah, i knew you didnt do it with a meaning. ;)
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2004, 05:31:33 AM »
how can any ordinary iraqi respect iraq's governments tough stance on terroists when the head of the governing council was a terrorist/cia collaborator himself who blew up a school bus full of children under saddam.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2004, 08:01:10 AM »
how can any ordinary iraqi respect iraq's governments tough stance on terroists when the head of the governing council was a terrorist/cia collaborator himself who blew up a school bus full of children under saddam.

They'll change him, if they dont trust him. Anyway you talked about "respect"? Man that's a deep word. 90% of the people who posts in this board doesnt respect their own President. Maybe more than 90%.
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2004, 12:02:32 PM »
this is a new goverment to replace the old despised government it must hold the respect by the majority of iraqis which it doesn't, the sunnis have pulled out over falluga and the head of state is a terrorist imposed on them by america

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2004, 12:11:42 PM »
how can any ordinary iraqi respect iraq's governments tough stance on terroists when the head of the governing council was a terrorist/cia collaborator himself who blew up a school bus full of children under saddam.

They'll change him, if they dont trust him. Anyway you talked about "respect"? Man that's a deep word. 90% of the people who posts in this board doesnt respect their own President. Maybe more than 90%.

If we take it as a given, that we must always respect our president, then we set ourselves up to elect and continue to support and respect an individual who does not respect us.  Why should we respect a president who is undeserving of that respect.  If respect is a requirement than it means nothing.
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2004, 02:19:20 PM »
look at that fucking picture, thats those people EVERY MINUTE. and america couldnt give two fuckin shits, its sad.

Its his fathers fault, not Americas. We told all cilviilians to leave the city. More then 200,000 people left, and the dumbasses like his father that stayed  got him self killed and his son fucked up.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2004, 03:04:50 PM by Machiavelli »
 

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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2004, 02:46:33 PM »
it's amazing how you treat them Iraqis as villains in a war that you started.
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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2004, 03:06:17 PM »
it's amazing how you treat them Iraqis as villains in a war that you started.

he didn't say he was guilty, he simply said he was a moron... when you get anykind of warning that something coming might wipe out you and your family, a normal person would evacuate

and this further goes to show how america does everything wrong... if we just ran in there and bombed the whole town...we're terrible, if we give people weeks notice to get out because we're going to bomb the whole town...we're terrible
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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2004, 03:26:14 PM »
this is a new goverment to replace the old despised government it must hold the respect by the majority of iraqis which it doesn't, the sunnis have pulled out over falluga and the head of state is a terrorist imposed on them by america

Man you got it wrong. You dont "create" democracy in 1 step. It's step by step. The first one aint democracy. Now it's time to have a leader trusted by Americans. Till the elections. Plus they've killed or are about to behead all the ones who seems to have the curriculum and the leadership to rule the nation... (till the elections). :(

Plus guess what? UN made that name, not Bush. And the previous one they named, got killed. And the one before him too.
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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2004, 03:28:35 PM »
how can any ordinary iraqi respect iraq's governments tough stance on terroists when the head of the governing council was a terrorist/cia collaborator himself who blew up a school bus full of children under saddam.

They'll change him, if they dont trust him. Anyway you talked about "respect"? Man that's a deep word. 90% of the people who posts in this board doesnt respect their own President. Maybe more than 90%.

If we take it as a given, that we must always respect our president, then we set ourselves up to elect and continue to support and respect an individual who does not respect us.  Why should we respect a president who is undeserving of that respect.  If respect is a requirement than it means nothing.

In Democracy, you should respect your President. You can disagree with him, and do whatever you (legally) can to fight him, but you should respect him. Cause the majority of your own Nation elected him. Anyway i aint the one who talked about "respect".
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2004, 11:28:25 AM »
You need an education, and judging by that picture, a haircut as well

Get a new monitor... I am in the military.
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2004, 12:28:10 PM »
this is a new goverment to replace the old despised government it must hold the respect by the majority of iraqis which it doesn't, the sunnis have pulled out over falluga and the head of state is a terrorist imposed on them by america

Man you got it wrong. You dont "create" democracy in 1 step. It's step by step. The first one aint democracy. Now it's time to have a leader trusted by Americans. Till the elections. Plus they've killed or are about to behead all the ones who seems to have the curriculum and the leadership to rule the nation... (till the elections). :(

Plus guess what? UN made that name, not Bush. And the previous one they named, got killed. And the one before him too.
america selected and approved all members of the governing council didn't (not positions but for them to be a part of it)

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2004, 01:13:53 PM »
this is a new goverment to replace the old despised government it must hold the respect by the majority of iraqis which it doesn't, the sunnis have pulled out over falluga and the head of state is a terrorist imposed on them by america

Man you got it wrong. You dont "create" democracy in 1 step. It's step by step. The first one aint democracy. Now it's time to have a leader trusted by Americans. Till the elections. Plus they've killed or are about to behead all the ones who seems to have the curriculum and the leadership to rule the nation... (till the elections). :(

Plus guess what? UN made that name, not Bush. And the previous one they named, got killed. And the one before him too.
america selected and approved all members of the governing council didn't (not positions but for them to be a part of it)

Obviously. Is it strange to you? UN did NOTHING the whole conflict. They aint even in Bagdad. Why should they select the members one by one?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2004, 01:45:59 PM »
the UN didn't approve the war kofi anan said it was an illegal war as the un couldn't agree on the war subsequently they couldn't agree in helping out in stabilising and humanitarian projects, plus they were in iraq until they got they got bombed then they left and came back.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2004, 01:51:47 PM »
the UN didn't approve the war kofi anan said it was an illegal war as the un couldn't agree on the war subsequently they couldn't agree in helping out in stabilising and humanitarian projects, plus they were in iraq until they got they got bombed then they left and came back.

The UN is worthless it doesn't get anything done. Discussing the UN's role in Iraq is pointless.
 

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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2004, 06:07:19 PM »
the UN didn't approve the war kofi anan said it was an illegal war as the un couldn't agree on the war subsequently they couldn't agree in helping out in stabilising and humanitarian projects, plus they were in iraq until they got they got bombed then they left and came back.

The UN is worthless it doesn't get anything done. Discussing the UN's role in Iraq is pointless.
 

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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2004, 07:09:37 PM »
the UN didn't approve the war kofi anan said it was an illegal war as the un couldn't agree on the war subsequently they couldn't agree in helping out in stabilising and humanitarian projects, plus they were in iraq until they got they got bombed then they left and came back.

The UN is worthless it doesn't get anything done. Discussing the UN's role in Iraq is pointless.

I would like to know why the UN is worthless in your opinion.
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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2004, 07:44:42 PM »
the UN didn't approve the war kofi anan said it was an illegal war as the un couldn't agree on the war subsequently they couldn't agree in helping out in stabilising and humanitarian projects, plus they were in iraq until they got they got bombed then they left and came back.

The UN is worthless it doesn't get anything done. Discussing the UN's role in Iraq is pointless.

I would like to know why the UN is worthless in your opinion.

Read a book of history and highlight the page where you see something positive and concrete done by UN. Then tell me why France is more important than Brasil for UN, or England is more important than Italy, or Russia is more important than India. And give me a good reason why UN is a good institution.
 

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Re: 100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2004, 07:46:04 PM »
Off the top off my head  , its peacekeeper presence in Cyprus. Dont know why I answered that retarded statement of yours, but here u go.
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2004, 07:47:40 PM »
Off the top off my head  , its peacekeeper presence in Cyprus. Dont know why I answered that retarded statement of yours, but here u go.

Oh!! Its peacekeeper presence in Cyprus. WOW! Hands down, you won. ::)
What about the other questions anyway?
 

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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2004, 07:51:04 PM »
Your entire question is dumb, dont u understand?

Dont u understand that youre just pulling together random things and trying to pass it off as points?

Dont u see the contradiction is insulting the UN because it stood in the way of war plans, when one of the justifications for this war plans was violations of UN law.

If you diss the UN, you diss yourself. It was the West that put together the UN, save a spot for China. Yeah the UN can be criticized but I dont understand how u can use that fact as justification for ANYTHING youre trying to argue
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2004, 07:57:28 PM »
Your entire question is dumb, dont u understand?

Dont u understand that youre just pulling together random things and trying to pass it off as points?

Dont u see the contradiction is insulting the UN because it stood in the way of war plans, when one of the justifications for this war plans was violations of UN law.

If you diss the UN, you diss yourself. It was the West that put together the UN, save a spot for China. Yeah the UN can be criticized but I dont understand how u can use that fact as justification for ANYTHING youre trying to argue

First of all i aint using UN being worthless as a justification for something i'm trying to argue. You made a question, i replied. If my question is dumb it's just cause you cant reply to it (lol @ Ciprus. What about Iraq, Israel-Palestina, Africa, China-Tibet, North Korea, Cote d'Avoir, Albania, India-Pakistan, etc?). Random things? Shit, i just told you why i think UN is worthless. 1. Cause UN does nothing but documents and papers. 2. Cause they runned out of Iraq (we was talking about Iraq). 3. Cause the whole system of the veto and how it's organized is dumb. On a side note, i'm Italian. "We" didnt create UN. If you wanna make a joke about it, "they" created UN against "us" (and Germany-Japan...)