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Arafat Has Passed Away
« on: November 11, 2004, 03:21:04 AM »
May he Rest In Piece

This will be a great loss for the palestinians losing their leader of 40 years living in the struggle fighting the israeli occupation, i hope it will all come to an end soon.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 03:23:02 AM »
please delete i see its already posted

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 11:00:58 PM »
may he burn in hell....Cowardly Self Centered money hungry mothafucka who sent brainwashed teenagers to their death which resulted in even more death, Who hid billions of dollars of support money that was granted to the Palestinian people on his foreign Bank acounts instead of granting his own people with proper infrastructure, Instead of investing in education he invested in weapons and explossives, It's sad, he's probably among the worst things that ever happent to the Palestinians and they don't even seem to realise it.
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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004, 03:52:28 AM »
I SUPPOSE ISRAEL WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THEM

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 05:35:33 AM »
Israel is a circumstance it's not up to their choice.
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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 06:00:39 AM »
thats bollox it all stems back to jews being greedy mutha fuckers which is why everyone hates you

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 06:21:29 AM »
thats bollox it all stems back to jews being greedy mutha fuckers which is why everyone hates you

Wtf... dude that's crossing the line man... that's just being dumb, ignorant, and unrespectful
 

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 06:23:04 AM »
Put it this way... I'm an Afghan Muslim... people automatically assume that I must hate Jews just because I'm Muslim, but that's not the case... and I find what you said extremely wrong and offensive...
 

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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004, 09:40:05 AM »
Put it this way... I'm an Afghan Muslim... people automatically assume that I must hate Jews just because I'm Muslim, but that's not the case... and I find what you said extremely wrong and offensive...

Jamal,
much respect. Although I disagree with basicly 95% (at least) of your views concerning Middle East, I gotta give you props for keeping it strictly ON POINT with your arguements and maintaining respect.

Don, saying something like this only showes your bias man, it kinda discredits all your claims, Bringing it all down to your anti-Jewish views.
I remember how you used to say you were an uninvolved 3rd party, this is a complete contradiction, since it showes that you have a general bitterness towards Jews.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 10:14:46 AM »
Jamal,
much respect. Although I disagree with basicly 95% (at least) of your views concerning Middle East, I gotta give you props for keeping it strictly ON POINT with your arguements and maintaining respect.

Yeah, we're on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to our views concerning politics in the Middle East, but to me it's not a Muslim Vs. Jew thing.
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2004, 08:41:47 AM »
i am a third party now don't get me wrong i have nothing wrong with jews individually i have a very good friend who is jewish, i could even see us married or somink one day, but jews on many occassions have shown them selves to be greedy, currently their unwillingness to give back what is not theirs to keep and then have the ordasity to use the palestinian resistance as an excuse to hold back more from the palestinians. its my belief israel should be forced to give up the cocupied land and the internation community hold that view with 2 notable exceptions but instead isreal got americas green light to build a wall through villages and farms and housing seeling themselves in on occupied land, if thats not a clear message you being greedy land steeling mofos i don't know what is, if you want to protect yourselfves from terrorism as a result of your governments actions any walls should be built within the un partition plan.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2004, 12:12:47 PM »
i am a third party now don't get me wrong i have nothing wrong with jews individually i have a very good friend who is jewish, i could even see us married or somink one day, but jews on many occassions have shown them selves to be greedy, currently their unwillingness to give back what is not theirs to keep and then have the ordasity to use the palestinian resistance as an excuse to hold back more from the palestinians. its my belief israel should be forced to give up the cocupied land and the internation community hold that view with 2 notable exceptions but instead isreal got americas green light to build a wall through villages and farms and housing seeling themselves in on occupied land, if thats not a clear message you being greedy land steeling mofos i don't know what is, if you want to protect yourselfves from terrorism as a result of your governments actions any walls should be built within the un partition plan.

Well, it's not like Hitler didn't have a Jewish wife. Second of all, there is nothing to give BACK....How can you give them back something that wasn't theirs to start with, The fact certain tribes occupied Land in certain districts of this Land close to a hundred years ago Doesn't make it their property,
The fact that a bunch of Mobile tribes and extanded families decided to proclaim themselves as a "Nation" just to present a political stand point doesn't make this Land their land, The fact the whole god damn world takes their side- doesn't make it their Land, The fact a bunch of terrorists are trying to force their will on peacefull population doesn't make it their Land, The fact Hundreds of terrorists were terminated (and hopefully more will be) doesn't make it their Land, The fact Israel is generous enough to even want to grant them with a state of their own on it's former territory doesn't give them a right to take over Israel's current territory....
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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2004, 04:23:54 PM »
they been there hundreds of years thats proof enough its their enough for me. you know you sound very imperialistic

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2004, 10:29:55 AM »
they been there hundreds of years thats proof enough its their enough for me. you know you sound very imperialistic


there were no "they", don't u get it, Their national identity is one big hoax, U can't take some dweller from 300 years ago that was passing through this region and base their right to inherit this land on him.....Jews lived in many places around the world for hundreds of years while leadership changed and revolutions erupted, still they never were considered to be the owners of the Land, even despite the fact they had  very strong national characteristics that defined them and distinguished them from the rest. The Palestinians did not even exist close to 150 years ago...
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2004, 10:54:47 AM »
they been there hundreds of years thats proof enough its their enough for me. you know you sound very imperialistic


there were no "they", don't u get it, Their national identity is one big hoax, U can't take some dweller from 300 years ago that was passing through this region and base their right to inherit this land on him.....Jews lived in many places around the world for hundreds of years while leadership changed and revolutions erupted, still they never were considered to be the owners of the Land, even despite the fact they had  very strong national characteristics that defined them and distinguished them from the rest. The Palestinians did not even exist close to 150 years ago...

I'm going to have to say that this is complete bullshit. Palestinians didn't even exist close to 150 years ago? Israel didn't exist 60 years ago.
 

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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2004, 12:21:02 AM »
they been there hundreds of years thats proof enough its their enough for me. you know you sound very imperialistic


there were no "they", don't u get it, Their national identity is one big hoax, U can't take some dweller from 300 years ago that was passing through this region and base their right to inherit this land on him.....Jews lived in many places around the world for hundreds of years while leadership changed and revolutions erupted, still they never were considered to be the owners of the Land, even despite the fact they had  very strong national characteristics that defined them and distinguished them from the rest. The Palestinians did not even exist close to 150 years ago...

I'm going to have to say that this is complete bullshit. Palestinians didn't even exist close to 150 years ago? Israel didn't exist 60 years ago.

what defines The Palestinians as a nation is the Palestinian Declaration, The point is they proclaimed themselves as a nation to base their right to take over this Land (Since it's widely excepted that every nation should have a national Home), Israel is a country, and the isue is not How long it exsited, Jews on the other hand Existed for a couple of thousands years at least(as a nation, they weren't made up for the occasion).
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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2004, 03:03:59 AM »
Jews in Palestine only made up a very small percentage of the population during the 19th century and early 20th century. American & Zionist interests forced European Jews to seek refuge in Palestine in order to boost the population. Zionists didn't want Jewish refugees to come to America, even though the U.S. Department of Labor announced that it could easily absorb 400,000 new immigrants. By 1947, this flood of Jewish settlers still only composed 30% of Palestine's population, and owned only 6% of the land. The UN plan was to grant Jews 55% of the land (when they only make up 30% of the population), and on top of that, the number of Palestinian Arabs who lived in the area designated to become the Jewish state was about 400,000 (almost as large as the number of Jews in that area).

Israeli fighters had the goal of forcing Palestinians off the land, to clear it of Arab residents in order to consolidate a Jewish presence. They managed to steal about 70% of Mandate Palestine, and forced 750,000 Palestinians into exile. Israel claimed that Palestinians fled because their leaders told them to. However, by the 1980s, with documentation in Western countries, as well as Israel, the historians of Israel were able to tell the truth. Benny Morris, an Israeli historian, stated that the refuge problem was caused by attacks by Jewish forces on Arab villages and towns, and by the inhabitants' fear of such attacks, expulsions, atrocities, and the Israeli Cabinet decision in 1948 to bar a refugee return.

So, don't come with that whole "a land with no people, for a people with no land" bullshit ideology... how can one claim it's a "land with no people", when there are hundreds of thousands of inhabitants, making up 70-95% of the total population (depending on what year you're looking at)
 

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2004, 05:31:18 AM »
Jews in Palestine only made up a very small percentage of the population during the 19th century and early 20th century. American & Zionist interests forced European Jews to seek refuge in Palestine in order to boost the population. Zionists didn't want Jewish refugees to come to America, even though the U.S. Department of Labor announced that it could easily absorb 400,000 new immigrants. By 1947, this flood of Jewish settlers still only composed 30% of Palestine's population, and owned only 6% of the land. The UN plan was to grant Jews 55% of the land (when they only make up 30% of the population), and on top of that, the number of Palestinian Arabs who lived in the area designated to become the Jewish state was about 400,000 (almost as large as the number of Jews in that area).

Israeli fighters had the goal of forcing Palestinians off the land, to clear it of Arab residents in order to consolidate a Jewish presence. They managed to steal about 70% of Mandate Palestine, and forced 750,000 Palestinians into exile. Israel claimed that Palestinians fled because their leaders told them to. However, by the 1980s, with documentation in Western countries, as well as Israel, the historians of Israel were able to tell the truth. Benny Morris, an Israeli historian, stated that the refuge problem was caused by attacks by Jewish forces on Arab villages and towns, and by the inhabitants' fear of such attacks, expulsions, atrocities, and the Israeli Cabinet decision in 1948 to bar a refugee return.

So, don't come with that whole "a land with no people, for a people with no land" bullshit ideology... how can one claim it's a "land with no people", when there are hundreds of thousands of inhabitants, making up 70-95% of the total population (depending on what year you're looking at)

The mistake is to precieve the entire mass of inhabitants as a single "nation", Before Jews started to return to their hystorical Homeland these "tribes" had diffrend interests and goals, at many times they were Hostile towards one another, They proclaimed a single national identity for themselves only to claim the Land for themselves(Why didn't they try to Claim it during the British Mandate if they wanted it so badly??) They were intimidated by this relatively small percentage of Jews that started to reapear in the Region, what were they fearing(considering the figures you yourself just presented)? and considering the entire territory was under British control for some time, Hagana and Lehi(the Zionistic Fighters) wanted to removed the Brits first and for all. The Radical right Wing of those days(to which these organizations blonged) wanted to create a Bi-National State with the Locals, not to squash them, Problem was the Locals were unwilling and more often Hostile.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2004, 06:05:45 AM »
First of all, you can't go around calling it the "historical Jewish homeland" and their return to it. One reason is because no matter how far you go back in history, there was always someone there "before". The ancient Hebrews settled there after the Philistines (ancestors of Palestinians). Palestinians never left that land. They've always been there. Secondly, as previously stated, before the Zionist movement, the Jewish population in that area was less than 10%. Those European Jews never lived on that land, nor did their ancestors. A majority of European Jews are descendants of the Khazzar tribe, which converted to Judaism in the 8th century. It really makes no sense to go back thousands of years in history to try and proclaim who was there first, but even if you did, it is evident that Hebrews arrived there to find the Philistines.

You ask why Palestinians never proclaimed a national identity... you have to remember they were under Ottoman control for about 400 years. World War I changed that... Britain and France began negotiations with Arab leaders, promising them independence if they helped over throw the Ottomans. At the same time, Britain and France also made their own little secret negotiations with the Sykes-Picot Agreement dividing the Arab world between themselves. Then Britain took a third contradictory position by announcing the Balfour Declaration, promising Zionists a Jewish home. Obviously, all promises could not be met. The British weren't willing to give Palestinians an independent state because they knew that large scale Jewish immigration sponsored by European/American zionists would be brought to a stop.

By the end of the war, the U.S. was controlling about 40% of Middle Eastern oil, and they were desperate for a "stable" ally, so they turned to the backing of the creation of a Jewish state which would be dependent on America and subservient to meet all its needs and carry out the dirty work. The Palestinian population was completely ignored.

You heard of Chaplain Klausner? He was the Zionist organizer, and admitted that most of the Jewish refugees wanted to come to America, but they were only offered refuge if they went to Palestine. His exact statement was: "I am convinced that the people were forced to go to Palestine."  Then, anyone that challenged Zionism was quickly labeled anti-Semitic, but do you see the irony in that? The U.S. would not allow Jews to come here, yet uses the concept of anti-Semitism for its own diplomatic/economic gain. The U.S. pressured Britain to lift all restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine. Zionist militias blew up eight roads and bridges in Palestine in 1946 when the British tried to bargain with them about the immigration quotas. Then a few months later, Irgun (Zionist militia) blew up the British government's wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem... killing 80 people, Arab, Jewish and British. Clashes erupted across the land and in 1947 Britain turned the problem over to the newly created UN. The U.S. was the most powerful member of the organization; there were only 55 member states, and most of those depended on U.S. aid to rebuild their war shattered countries/economies. For example, the Philippines voted against the partition and creation of a Jewish state. Guess what happened to the diplomat who spoke out in the General Assembly? He was recalled. The same thing happened to the delegate from Siam (Thailand).

Arabs and Jews continued fighting and in 1948 Israel just declared its independence. With the U.S. recognition of that theft of land, there was nothing anyone could do about it.

Could you imagine Assyrians rising up and wanting half of Iraq's land as their own nation?

By the way, if you know anything about the President Wilson (League of Nations/14 Points), you'd know about something called "Self-Determination".

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2004, 06:39:22 AM »
i'd like to see how i geezy responds to that

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2004, 07:00:47 AM »
First of all, you can't go around calling it the "historical Jewish homeland" and their return to it.

You didnt need to complete the post. This reply is enought. I agree with you.
 

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2004, 07:27:15 AM »
First of all, you can't go around calling it the "historical Jewish homeland" and their return to it. One reason is because no matter how far you go back in history, there was always someone there "before". The ancient Hebrews settled there after the Philistines (ancestors of Palestinians). Palestinians never left that land. They've always been there. Secondly, as previously stated, before the Zionist movement, the Jewish population in that area was less than 10%. Those European Jews never lived on that land, nor did their ancestors. A majority of European Jews are descendants of the Khazzar tribe, which converted to Judaism in the 8th century. It really makes no sense to go back thousands of years in history to try and proclaim who was there first, but even if you did, it is evident that Hebrews arrived there to find the Philistines.

You ask why Palestinians never proclaimed a national identity... you have to remember they were under Ottoman control for about 400 years. World War I changed that... Britain and France began negotiations with Arab leaders, promising them independence if they helped over throw the Ottomans. At the same time, Britain and France also made their own little secret negotiations with the Sykes-Picot Agreement dividing the Arab world between themselves. Then Britain took a third contradictory position by announcing the Balfour Declaration, promising Zionists a Jewish home. Obviously, all promises could not be met. The British weren't willing to give Palestinians an independent state because they knew that large scale Jewish immigration sponsored by European/American zionists would be brought to a stop.

By the end of the war, the U.S. was controlling about 40% of Middle Eastern oil, and they were desperate for a "stable" ally, so they turned to the backing of the creation of a Jewish state which would be dependent on America and subservient to meet all its needs and carry out the dirty work. The Palestinian population was completely ignored.

You heard of Chaplain Klausner? He was the Zionist organizer, and admitted that most of the Jewish refugees wanted to come to America, but they were only offered refuge if they went to Palestine. His exact statement was: "I am convinced that the people were forced to go to Palestine."  Then, anyone that challenged Zionism was quickly labeled anti-Semitic, but do you see the irony in that? The U.S. would not allow Jews to come here, yet uses the concept of anti-Semitism for its own diplomatic/economic gain. The U.S. pressured Britain to lift all restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine. Zionist militias blew up eight roads and bridges in Palestine in 1946 when the British tried to bargain with them about the immigration quotas. Then a few months later, Irgun (Zionist militia) blew up the British government's wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem... killing 80 people, Arab, Jewish and British. Clashes erupted across the land and in 1947 Britain turned the problem over to the newly created UN. The U.S. was the most powerful member of the organization; there were only 55 member states, and most of those depended on U.S. aid to rebuild their war shattered countries/economies. For example, the Philippines voted against the partition and creation of a Jewish state. Guess what happened to the diplomat who spoke out in the General Assembly? He was recalled. The same thing happened to the delegate from Siam (Thailand).

Arabs and Jews continued fighting and in 1948 Israel just declared its independence. With the U.S. recognition of that theft of land, there was nothing anyone could do about it.

Could you imagine Assyrians rising up and wanting half of Iraq's land as their own nation?

By the way, if you know anything about the President Wilson (League of Nations/14 Points), you'd know about something called "Self-Determination".



A very small percentage of east-European Jews are descendants of the Khazzar, Jew Converts that Originated from Khazzar are well aware of their heritage,plus, converted Jews hold a differened status according to the Galaha so tracing them is not a problem, Most European Jews are  products of exile(descendants of Israel), As for Kneinites and Hebrews occuping this Land before Abraham arrived->True, But the Land was given to Abraham,
PHillistines are not ancestors of the Palestinians, They did inherit the sounding alike Name but that doesn't make them their ancestors, second of all, the Philistines weren't here before Jews you know what Philistine means in Hebrew ?! it originates in Plishtim(this is how it reads in the Torah) Plishtim is from Plisha (-Invasion), Philistines are Invadors, Torah states they Originated somwhere around todays Itally and Sailed to the east to take over the Land...I think you're mistaking the Philitines for Kneinites(the Land was called Kanaan in the Torah), But the Palestinians are anscestors of neither, they are a mixture of Arab Peninsula Arabs and Locals from Northern Africa. I think you've been getting Info from Palestinian "self-determination" sites...

So, what if they were under Ottoman control for about 400 years so were the rest of the Arabs of the erea? (Jews were exiled for 2000 years yet they were the ones to start fighting for this Land), Leaders of Arab nations did gain land due to those Negotiations: Jordan, Egypt, Syria....Where were the Palestinians?  why didn't they gain Land like the rest of the Arab parties? I'll tell you why, Because they had no Identity, They were refugees way before Israel proclaimed it's formal independence, They had no leadership since they weren't a singular mass...They proclaimed their  national identity only to Claim their piece of the pie.

I forgot to coment on Chaplain Clausner, With the amount of Jews that fleed to USA after WW2 I would say his convictions were\are hystoriclly incorect.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2004, 07:45:20 AM »
So, what if they were under Ottoman control for about 400 years so were the rest of the Arabs of the erea? (Jews were exiled for 2000 years yet they were the ones to start fighting for this Land), Leaders of Arab nations did gain land due to those Negotiations: Jordan, Egypt, Syria....Where were the Palestinians?  why didn't they gain Land like the rest of the Arab parties? I'll tell you why, Because they had no Identity, They were refugees way before Israel proclaimed it's formal independence, They had no leadership since they weren't a singular mass...They proclaimed their  national identity only to Claim their piece of the pie.

I forgot to coment on Chaplain Clausner, With the amount of Jews that fleed to USA after the WW2 I would say his convictions were hystoriclly incorect.

I already answered that in my post:
You ask why Palestinians never proclaimed a national identity... you have to remember they were under Ottoman control for about 400 years. World War I changed that... Britain and France began negotiations with Arab leaders, promising them independence if they helped over throw the Ottomans. At the same time, Britain and France also made their own little secret negotiations with the Sykes-Picot Agreement dividing the Arab world between themselves. Then Britain took a third contradictory position by announcing the Balfour Declaration, promising Zionists a Jewish home. Obviously, all promises could not be met. The British weren't willing to give Palestinians an independent state because they knew that large scale Jewish immigration sponsored by European/American zionists would be brought to a stop.

By the way, I didn't get any of my information from any website at all. I read books.
In addition, if you don't hold the statements made by an ISRAELI HISTORIAN credible, and feel that you know more about the situation than he does, then what do you consider a credible source? The Israeli government's website?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2004, 07:48:22 AM »
-The historic Philistines were a people that inhabited the southern coast of Canaan around the time of the arrival of the Israelites.

-Philistia the name of the Philistine Kingdoms became "Palestine" under the Romans

This is out of an encyclopedia...
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Re: Arafat Has Passed Away
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2004, 07:58:54 AM »
-The historic Philistines were a people that inhabited the southern coast of Canaan around the time of the arrival of the Israelites.

-Philistia the name of the Philistine Kingdoms became "Palestine" under the Romans

This is out of an encyclopedia... I'm assuming that it's biased in your opinion...


Why would it call them "Invadors" if they Inhabited Knaan before Abraham?....If this is from an encyclopedia than it's an interesting one,
The term Palestinian Originated from Philistines but the people to whom it refered were diffrened, Just like Colombus with "Indians",
during one of the Mandates the Soldiers needed a Name for the Locals so they took out the first name out of the bible....
We are all human beings isn't that a good enough reason for peace?