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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2004, 07:55:44 AM »
Lol, I know, don't know why I wrote expression.

This is just one of the things I/you "don't know why you wrote". There's plenty more; this just happens to be one instance where it was easier for you to see that you're wrong. Other times I inform you in a similar way, but it just takes you a while to realize it. You should analyze your words more carefully, and maybe it will help you make better judgments (ex: not attempt to unsuccessfully argue me)
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2004, 08:16:10 AM »
Lol, I know, don't know why I wrote expression. Anyway.. is fasting supposed to be fun? Is not drinking alcohol, not taking drugs and not having sex before marriage and stuff like that, supposed to be fun? I don't think so. But that's what religion wants you to do more or less. Does God hate us all, or what?
Religious people can be so contradicting sometimes...

WTF? What does fun have anything to do with it? Is going to the dentist supposed to be fun?

By the way, I don't drink, smoke, or take drugs, but guess what? It's my choice. Personally, I don't feel the need to do any of those to have fun. I bone bitches though. So you can see that religion is not why I choose or don't choose to do certain things. 

Seriously, that has to be one of your dumbest posts, even in your standards. Just because something isn't fun, doesn't mean it was created to prevent people from having fun. I'm assuming school, doctors, cops, courts, etc are all in place to prevent people from having fun. Idiot. Religious people can be contradicting? Not once have I contradicted myself, yet you, a "non-religious" person, have proven yourself to lack common sense, logic, and any sort of intelligence with 1 post.

Well then tell me what is the point in not drinking for instance. Why? Good it's your choice, lol, whatever makes you sleep at night. Yet I know Muslims who don't drink cause they want to be good muslims. They fuck though, which is contradicting as a motherfucker.
So if religion isnt the reason why you've chosen to do or not to things, how come you're fasting? You aint got no money or what? - and there we are contradicting ourselves again..

Great to act like I said it was created to prevent ppl from having fun because it isnt fun.. that's just twisting it all up in order to sound smart to the retards who won't realize it, just like pointing out typos is. You think I don't notice if someone types necaccaryly instead of necessarily? However, I won't bother making a post just to point it out and ridicule the respective person. You do though, and therefore you think you're so smart. Do you act in real life like that? Cause if you do, I have to assume you ask veterans in wheel-chairs for a race, and when they say no you feel like Maurice Green when he got the 60-metre world record...

Certain rules of religion usually seem to be there in order to prevent people from doing something. Sometimes, it's sensible, like not killing somebody or not stealing or what the hell. Other times, however, I can't see any purpose except preventing people from leading a happy life. Like telling it's bad to have sex unless its only purpose is reproduction, what the hell..
Your weak ass comparisons ... school, doctors, cops, courts ... all have their respective purposes. Like education & helping people. What the hell is the purpose of things like not ever drinking/trying alcohol, not having sex unless youre married, fasting etc if not sticking to principles your religion gave you? And why would your religion say you should do it? Why? I understand why you shouldnt kill dudes and shit, but why the fuck this?
The reason is to limit your fun. Now don't come around with stupid shit like "I can have fun without drugs" or bullshit like this. Why won't jews eat pork? Why won't muslims eat certain meat? Why would buddhists not eat any kind of animals..we all know those animals dont have the souls of former humans or shit like this,  Lol, so why? ... I could go on for years.

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2004, 08:19:19 AM »
Lol, I know, don't know why I wrote expression.

This is just one of the things I/you "don't know why you wrote". There's plenty more; this just happens to be one instance where it was easier for you to see that you're wrong. Other times I inform you in a similar way, but it just takes you a while to realize it. You should analyze your words more carefully, and maybe it will help you make better judgments (ex: not attempt to unsuccessfully argue me)
One funny thing is how you always have to rely on obvious typos like this to make yourself feel better.
But anyway, LoL I must have really got to you with that religion stuff. Disillusioned?  :-\

Just stay out of this thread, if you can't stand criticism on your religion, or in this case religion as such.


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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2004, 08:47:41 AM »
LMAO this is way too easy..

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I don't feel any "different" now, it's something you get used to when you do it for so many years. When I was younger, I fasted because it was part of my religion and my parents kind of expected me to. [...]It's harder at the beginning, but as time goes on, it gets easier and actually becomes ordinary. Personally, I don't find fasting physically challenging, but there are some who do. The only time I can remember it being difficult was when I would have football or soccer practice/games while fasting. [...]To answer your question of why muslims fast, it is basically a way to put yourself in the position of someone who is poor and doesn't have food. You basically feel their "pain" in a lesser extent. [...] So, basically I put myself in someone else's shoes to feel what they go through (not to the same degree), and then I do something to help someone who goes through it. I really don't see how people can make retarded, narrow-minded comments like "god doesn't want them to enjoy life", when in fact, you're doing something to help someone.

LoL.. I dont even have to add anything.. why the fuck does your religion want you to FEEL PAIN for christ's sake? So a good muslim is supposed to FEEL PAIN? What more need I say? Anyways, good to know. Seriously, if you don't recognize your contradictions and your hypocrisy you can't be very smart.

Oh... and with fasting, you don't help ANYONE. Poor muslims in the middle-east aren't helped the slightest little bit with dudes like you fasting. What a lame excuse.
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2004, 09:02:16 AM »
sometimes I get the expression that people think their god don't wants them to enjoy life.

Fasting isn't something for the weak and narrow-minded, so you wouldn't understand.

To answer Antonio's questions...

I don't feel any "different" now, it's something you get used to when you do it for so many years. When I was younger, I fasted because it was part of my religion and my parents kind of expected me to. However, as I got a little older and realized a lot of things, the concept of fasting made a lot of sense even in a non-religious sense. It teaches you self-control and restraint. It's harder at the beginning, but as time goes on, it gets easier and actually becomes ordinary. Personally, I don't find fasting physically challenging, but there are some who do. The only time I can remember it being difficult was when I would have football or soccer practice/games while fasting. A person with hardships, be it personal or illness-related doesn't need to fast; as a matter of fact, when you're ill you're not supposed to fast at all. To answer your question of why muslims fast, it is basically a way to put yourself in the position of someone who is poor and doesn't have food. You basically feel their "pain" in a lesser extent. While I fasted, several things actually came to my mind. For example, when it was time to break my fast, I thought about those people who can't afford food or not enough of it, and thought about how they not just refrain from eating during the day, but can't even eat at night (like I do) simply because they don't have the access to the food. I "could" eat whenever I want to because the food is right in front of me, but they can't because they have no food. It's really something that makes you think while you fast. Also, I do this for 30 days out of the year, they do it all year long. As part of the Islamic religion, every Muslim who is able to, must share some of his income/wealth with someone in need. It's one of the fundamentals. And, at the end of Ramadan, is one of those times when every Muslim donates money to these people in need. People send money abroad to Muslims living in poor conditions. So, basically I put myself in someone else's shoes to feel what they go through (not to the same degree), and then I do something to help someone who goes through it. I really don't see how people can make retarded, narrow-minded comments like "god doesn't want them to enjoy life", when in fact, you're doing something to help someone. Anyways, I hope I answered your questions.

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2004, 09:13:18 AM »
ive done this every year since i was about 10  question to lincon did you convert to islam and how long have you been a muslim

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2004, 10:09:14 AM »
LMAO this is way too easy..

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I don't feel any "different" now, it's something you get used to when you do it for so many years. When I was younger, I fasted because it was part of my religion and my parents kind of expected me to. [...]It's harder at the beginning, but as time goes on, it gets easier and actually becomes ordinary. Personally, I don't find fasting physically challenging, but there are some who do. The only time I can remember it being difficult was when I would have football or soccer practice/games while fasting. [...]To answer your question of why muslims fast, it is basically a way to put yourself in the position of someone who is poor and doesn't have food. You basically feel their "pain" in a lesser extent. [...] So, basically I put myself in someone else's shoes to feel what they go through (not to the same degree), and then I do something to help someone who goes through it. I really don't see how people can make retarded, narrow-minded comments like "god doesn't want them to enjoy life", when in fact, you're doing something to help someone.

LoL.. I dont even have to add anything.. why the fuck does your religion want you to FEEL PAIN for christ's sake? So a good muslim is supposed to FEEL PAIN? What more need I say? Anyways, good to know. Seriously, if you don't recognize your contradictions and your hypocrisy you can't be very smart.

Oh... and with fasting, you don't help ANYONE. Poor muslims in the middle-east aren't helped the slightest little bit with dudes like you fasting. What a lame excuse.

You're obviously not a bright one, so I think I need to have little explanations for everything, since you can't read between the lines or add 2 and 2. First of all, there is a reason why I put quotation marks around the word pain... because I don't actually feel "pain". Also, you take out one line and disregard everything else. You say I don't help anyone? I help myself. I stated that it teaches self-control, restraint, and discipline. Then I help poor Muslims in the Middle East by sharing some of my money. The actual fasting doesn't help them, but what I do after having placed myself in their shoes does. You decided to ignore that part of my statement as well. Looks like the only way you can try to justify your points is by only reading what you want to read. You say "God" doesn't want people to have fun, and I replied by telling you that I don't do the things you consider fun because I choose not to, not because God told me not to. Not only was your statement fuckin' stupid for the reasons mentioned in my previous post, but it also went down the drain with the explanation just given.
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2004, 10:11:43 AM »
By the way, I'm not going to blame you for not understanding what it means to feel one's "pain" (especially when I made it clear with quotation marks), since you don't even know the difference between expression and impression. It's not your fault, English is not your native language, so it's all good. It's just dumb of you when you say shit like "I have the expression" and try to argue. Shutting up will work in your benefit.
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2004, 10:32:44 AM »
Well then tell me what is the point in not drinking for instance. Why? Good it's your choice, lol, whatever makes you sleep at night. Yet I know Muslims who don't drink cause they want to be good muslims. They fuck though, which is contradicting as a motherfucker.
So if religion isnt the reason why you've chosen to do or not to things, how come you're fasting? You aint got no money or what? - and there we are contradicting ourselves again..

Great to act like I said it was created to prevent ppl from having fun because it isnt fun.. that's just twisting it all up in order to sound smart to the retards who won't realize it, just like pointing out typos is. You think I don't notice if someone types necaccaryly instead of necessarily? However, I won't bother making a post just to point it out and ridicule the respective person. You do though, and therefore you think you're so smart. Do you act in real life like that? Cause if you do, I have to assume you ask veterans in wheel-chairs for a race, and when they say no you feel like Maurice Green when he got the 60-metre world record...

Certain rules of religion usually seem to be there in order to prevent people from doing something. Sometimes, it's sensible, like not killing somebody or not stealing or what the hell. Other times, however, I can't see any purpose except preventing people from leading a happy life. Like telling it's bad to have sex unless its only purpose is reproduction, what the hell..
Your weak ass comparisons ... school, doctors, cops, courts ... all have their respective purposes. Like education & helping people. What the hell is the purpose of things like not ever drinking/trying alcohol, not having sex unless youre married, fasting etc if not sticking to principles your religion gave you? And why would your religion say you should do it? Why? I understand why you shouldnt kill dudes and shit, but why the fuck this?
The reason is to limit your fun. Now don't come around with stupid shit like "I can have fun without drugs" or bullshit like this. Why won't jews eat pork? Why won't muslims eat certain meat? Why would buddhists not eat any kind of animals..we all know those animals dont have the souls of former humans or shit like this,  Lol, so why? ... I could go on for years.

A lot of people choose not to drink simply because there are no real benefits to it. Some find it fun, some don't. However, the fact is that the negative effects of drinking outweigh the positive ones. It inhibits you from thinking in the same that you would if you were sober. It causes some people to make wrong decisions.

You ask why Jews and Muslims don't eat pork. This question has less to do with questioning religion than it does with your ignorance. If you knew anything about religion, the reason why things were outlined the way they are, etc then you wouldn't have to ask questions like this and bash religion. I'm Muslim, so I'll tell you why Muslims don't eat pork. When an animal is slaughtered, vital organs could be damaged, blood could spread throughout the flesh, etc. and Muslims are prohibited from consuming any blood, which is why Muslims consume Halal meat. Halal meat (very similar to Kosher for Jews) is clean because the when meat is Halal, it means the animal was cut across the neck (jugular vein), so this causes a total loss of blood from the animal's body and no organs are injured. Since you're an idiot, I'll inform you that blood contains uric acid which is bad for our health. A pig can't be slaughtered at the neck simply because it doesn't have one... natural anatomy. Also, a pig excretes only 2% of its uric acid, so most of it remains in the body, which is why so many people in the past got sick from eating pork. It has to be very well prepared and thoroughly cooked (as does all meat, but in comparison the uric acid in pigs is a lot higher). It's also a scientific fact that people who consume pork face a greater risk of Rheumatism than people who don't. Any other dumb, ignorant questions?
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2004, 10:38:35 AM »

One funny thing is how you always have to rely on obvious typos like this to make yourself feel better.
But anyway, LoL I must have really got to you with that religion stuff. Disillusioned?  :-\

Just stay out of this thread, if you can't stand criticism on your religion, or in this case religion as such.


HAHA... now you signed off? Already giving up for the moment, and trying to work something out for later?
I'm sure so, since you're obviously not the type of poster who'd log off in such a moment for another reason, you know it, I know it, the whole board knows it.

Now you're trying to make yourself feel better by wrongfully assuming that I signed off because of your posts. If you check, you hadn't made your posts before I signed off. Funny how you act like you know me so well... just because I occasionally son you, doesn't mean you know me...
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2004, 10:47:47 AM »
By the way, the Qu'ran and the teachings of most religions actually go hand in hand with science on a lot of things. Of course, you, being the ignorant person that you are, wouldn't know that. "Religious" people (I'm speaking on behalf of Muslims) knew about a lot of things that scientists barely discovered in the last few centuries..... written in the Qu'ran over 1400 years ago. It took people thousands of years to realize these things, so how is this information in the Qu'ran? One could argue that Muhammed just happened to be a genius, good at guessing, or perhaps they actually were the words of God. It is up to each individual to decide whether they want to BELIEVE it or not, which is why religion is referred to as a BELIEF and is described with the word FAITH. If one doesn't believe it, then he/she doesn't, and nobody forces them to.
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2004, 10:50:35 AM »
lmao I expected a tough and witty, challenging comeback... what a disappointment, really.

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You say I don't help anyone? I help myself.

if not eating like one usually does helps you, then more power to you fatass.

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Then I help poor Muslims in the Middle East by sharing some of my money.

well, here's the deal:
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The actual fasting doesn't help them


also hilarious:

Guess you don't learn on purpose so you can claim you're the only teacher.. LOL.. otherwise I dont get how you write that:
By the way, I'm not going to blame you for not understanding what it means to feel one's "pain" (especially when I made it clear with quotation marks), since you don't even know the difference between expression and impression. It's not your fault, English is not your native language, so it's all good. It's just dumb of you when you say shit like "I have the expression" and try to argue. Shutting up will work in your benefit.
after I wrote that:
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[...]to sound smart to the retards who won't realize it, just like pointing out typos is. You think I don't notice if someone types necaccaryly instead of necessarily? However, I won't bother making a post just to point it out and ridicule the respective person. You do though, and therefore you think you're so smart. Do you act in real life like that? Cause if you do, I have to assume you ask veterans in wheel-chairs for a race, and when they say no you feel like Maurice Green when he got the 60-metre world record...[...]One funny thing is how you always have to rely on obvious typos like this to make yourself feel better. [...]

Especially since I obviously know the difference between expression and impression, just like I know the difference between export and import. You dont even have to speak English very good, those are common words.

Hilarious #2: after I sonned you with my posts, the hardest thing you can come up with is "You so mean and only read what you want  :'(" - Trauma-Style before re-mentioning that I made a typo. I understand this is an historical moment, still.... please..



One funny thing is how you always have to rely on obvious typos like this to make yourself feel better.
But anyway, LoL I must have really got to you with that religion stuff. Disillusioned?  :-\

Just stay out of this thread, if you can't stand criticism on your religion, or in this case religion as such.


HAHA... now you signed off? Already giving up for the moment, and trying to work something out for later?
I'm sure so, since you're obviously not the type of poster who'd log off in such a moment for another reason, you know it, I know it, the whole board knows it.

Now you're trying to make yourself feel better by wrongfully assuming that I signed off because of your posts. If you check, you hadn't made your posts before I signed off. Funny how you act like you know me so well... just because I occasionally son you, doesn't mean you know me...

and now you're trying to make yourself feel better again by wrongfully assuming that you occasionally son me ..
lol, I don't know you? bad news. what's next? I shouldnt judge ppl I only know via the internet? how much more defensive can it get, homie?

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A lot of people choose not to drink simply because there are no real benefits to it. Some find it fun, some don't. However, the fact is that the negative effects of drinking outweigh the positive ones. It inhibits you from thinking in the same that you would if you were sober. It causes some people to make wrong decisions.

You ask why Jews and Muslims don't eat pork. This question has less to do with questioning religion than it does with your ignorance. If you knew anything about religion, the reason why things were outlined the way they are, etc then you wouldn't have to ask questions like this and bash religion. I'm Muslim, so I'll tell you why Muslims don't eat pork. When an animal is slaughtered, vital organs could be damaged, blood could spread throughout the flesh, etc. and Muslims are prohibited from consuming any blood, which is why Muslims consume Halal meat. Halal meat (very similar to Kosher for Jews) is clean because the when meat is Halal, it means the animal was cut across the neck (jugular vein), so this causes a total loss of blood from the animal's body and no organs are injured. Since you're an idiot, I'll inform you that blood contains uric acid which is bad for our health. A pig can't be slaughtered at the neck simply because it doesn't have one... natural anatomy. Also, a pig excretes only 2% of its uric acid, so most of it remains in the body, which is why so many people in the past got sick from eating pork. It has to be very well prepared and thoroughly cooked (as does all meat, but in comparison the uric acid in pigs is a lot higher). It's also a scientific fact that people who consume pork face a greater risk of Rheumatism than people who don't. Any other dumb, ignorant questions?

ok this is just plain ridiculous. you mention some big words canibus-style, and think you won the argument.
are you seriously tellin me, you don't eat pork because its blood contains uric acid which is bad for your health? hilarious.
those are just some smart-ass, yet still very stupid, alibis. I couldnt repress a smile reading this paragraph.
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2004, 10:52:29 AM »
You also said that I contradict myself because I don't eat pork, but I fuck hoes. How is that a contradiction? Just because I do/don't do everything my religion has outlined as Do's/Dont's? All that would mean is that I'm not a perfect Muslim, or not too good of a Muslim, which I'll admit. But, there is nothing contradicting about it. Nobody is perfect in any sense of the word. My religion states that, and I know that, nobody is perfect, and nobody is expecting me to be. Nobody can judge me, except.. yea you guessed it...since I believe in God, "Only God Can Judge Me".  :)
 

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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2004, 10:54:17 AM »
By the way, the Qu'ran and the teachings of most religions actually go hand in hand with science on a lot of things. Of course, you, being the ignorant person that you are, wouldn't know that. "Religious" people (I'm speaking on behalf of Muslims) knew about a lot of things that scientists barely discovered in the last few centuries..... written in the Qu'ran over 1400 years ago. It took people thousands of years to realize these things, so how is this information in the Qu'ran? One could argue that Muhammed just happened to be a genius, good at guessing, or perhaps they actually were the words of God. It is up to each individual to decide whether they want to BELIEVE it or not, which is why religion is referred to as a BELIEF and is described with the word FAITH. If one doesn't believe it, then he/she doesn't, and nobody forces them to.

I never said you shouldnt believe, homie. Whatever makes you sleep at night. If faith is working out for you, keep it up.

You also said that I contradict myself because I don't eat pork, but I fuck hoes. How is that a contradiction? Just because I do/don't do everything my religion has outlined as Do's/Dont's? All that would mean is that I'm not a perfect Muslim, or not too good of a Muslim, which I'll admit. But, there is nothing contradicting about it. Nobody is perfect in any sense of the word. My religion states that, and I know that, nobody is perfect, and nobody is expecting me to be. Nobody can judge me, except.. yea you guessed it...since I believe in God, "Only God Can Judge Me".  :)

Well, as you are pretty fast and aggressive with judgement on other people, projecting your insecurities on other people, you have to expect to get it back sometimes.
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2004, 10:56:31 AM »
I see that you have nothing left to say except "are you seriously implying.." ,  "fatass....",  "scientific facts are smart-ass, stupid alibis"....  shows that your mind is boggling to come with a real reply but simply can't manage to do so.... Step Up Your Game
 

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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2004, 10:58:26 AM »
Well, as you are pretty fast and aggressive with judgement on other people, projecting your insecurities on other people, you have to expect to get it back sometimes.

I'm still anticipating that moment, if I ever encounter it, I'll make a post about it and you shall be the first to know...
 

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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2004, 11:01:13 AM »
By the way, all you've done is quote me without actually refuting anything. You asked why Muslims don't eat pork, and I told you why we don't. The only thing you've proven is your lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge is no excuse "homie". Come on, I've studied in Europe, the educational system is pretty good there, what happened to you?
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2004, 11:09:07 AM »
I see that you have nothing left to say except "are you seriously implying.." ,  "fatass....",  "scientific facts are smart-ass, stupid alibis"....  shows that your mind is boggling to come with a real reply but simply can't manage to do so.... Step Up Your Game

haha.. so you dont eat pork cause it's unhealthy due to scientific facts.. might also be the reason why you don't get out so much, I mean L.A. is known for its pollution, which is unhealthy of course. suddenly everything makes sense.
just so you know I didnt mean that "fatass".. I apologize, that wasn't fair.

Well, as you are pretty fast and aggressive with judgement on other people, projecting your insecurities on other people, you have to expect to get it back sometimes.

I'm still anticipating that moment, if I ever encounter it, I'll make a post about it and you shall be the first to know...

Ive been there homie, Ive been there..

By the way, all you've done is quote me without actually refuting anything. You asked why Muslims don't eat pork, and I told you why we don't. The only thing you've proven is your lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge is no excuse "homie". Come on, I've studied in Europe, the educational system is pretty good there, what happened to you?

LoL, your explanation was ridiculous. It's like saying I don't own a computer or a tv because it's bad for the eyes. Jesus.


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btw notice that you write like 3 posts in a row now repeatedly?
let me explain why that is to you.
normally, you take your time and do all the shit in one post like I in that one post with all your quotes.
in this case, however, you read one thing I wrote and you're so upset and struck, you immediately have to say something to release your anger.
Im lovin it.
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2004, 11:22:10 AM »
Once again you make a wrong assumption. If you check my IP, or ask Overseer to, you will see that I'm not at the same location. I'm on a slow ass fuckin computer, with a 56k modem on Netscape internet, so if I tried to quote a bunch of quotes n shit... it would probably freeze my comp.. it's sad but true...

By the way, I said that's the reason why Muslims don't eat pork. It's part of the religion, and the Qu'ran was written over 1400 years ago. I'm sure our advancement has enabled people to consume pork without getting sick, but times change, religion doesn't. I never explicitly stated that "I don't eat pork because it's bad for you". I'll tell you, it's because my religion has outlined that it's not good for me, and I believe that. I can believe what I want. All I did is give you scientific reasoning behind why this is/was true. I gave you more than what you asked for because I was answering your question, not arguing a point. You asked why Muslims don't eat pork, and I answered. You reply with "oh please.. so you're tellin me that u don't eat pork cuz its bad for u... please.. thats bullshit"... read what's written, not what helps you make feel better about yourself by creating the illusion of an argument won
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2004, 11:32:58 AM »
Once again you make a wrong assumption. If you check my IP, or ask Overseer to, you will see that I'm not at the same location. I'm on a slow ass fuckin computer, with a 56k modem on Netscape internet, so if I tried to quote a bunch of quotes n shit... it would probably freeze my comp.. it's sad but true...

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By the way, I said that's the reason why Muslims don't eat pork. It's part of the religion, and the Qu'ran was written over 1400 years ago. I'm sure our advancement has enabled people to consume pork without getting sick, but times change, religion doesn't. I never explicitly stated that "I don't eat pork because it's bad for you". I'll tell you, it's because my religion has outlined that it's not good for me, and I believe that. I can believe what I want. All I did is give you scientific reasoning behind why this is/was true. I gave you more than what you asked for because I was answering your question, not arguing a point. You asked why Muslims don't eat pork, and I answered. You reply with "oh please.. so you're tellin me that u don't eat pork cuz its bad for u... please.. thats bullshit"... read what's written, not what helps you make feel better about yourself by creating the illusion of an argument won

Yea, you can. I allow it. "By the way", you're starting to sound sweet and rampantic.. which indicates how helpless you are. Therefore I assume you want me to stop taking the shit out of you.. I will. Has been fun though, until next time..
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2004, 11:42:53 AM »
Sweet? Not really. It's like this... you know how teachers in school have to be extra patient with their handicapped/special ed students? Well that's how I feel with you... I need to be patient, explain everything slowly and clearly, and as we can see.... it worked...  :)
 

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2004, 11:45:49 AM »
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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2004, 05:09:00 PM »
I am not Muslim, but I used to fast every weekend or so.  The concept of fasting has been around for ages, and not limited to religion alone.  But of course it does have many spiritual aspects to it that may benefit anyone from any faith.  I realize that Muslims fast for a number of reasons, as Jamal pointed out.  Everything from attaining self control, being more appreciative of life and it's gifts, reminding us of God, achieving a heightened sense of consciousness and understanding pain, addiction, pleasure and empathy.  Also, it isn't limited to 'not eating' alone, I know that Muslims must also refrain from haram(sin) during the time.  Fasting has existed in Indian culture as well, popularized since the birth of Hinduism and Buddhism.  It was a practice popular amongst the wise and pious.  My personal experience has been great though.  Since I'm not a Muslim, I never had to fast for religious or cultural reasons, but I found it myself.  No one in my family fasted, so it wasn't somehow imposed or influenced upon me.  It was something I discovered during religious and philosophical study.  Again, it isn't just 'not eating', there are a lot of other aspects one must understand about this practice.  Fasting does require a focused mind and strong will power though, so there are many who struggle with it.  But from personal experience, I can say that everything positive said about it is true.

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Re: Some thoughts on fasting
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2004, 11:31:46 PM »
There are many parts of our existance, we have a physical existance, an emotional existence, a mental existence, an intellectual existence, and a spiritual existence (which more and more people deny).  When you walk around the world concerned with your physical existence, you sometimes neglect the other parts of your body, and don't focus any energy on them.  By fasting, you ignore the physical existence, even to the point of not eating.  If your mental, spirtual, and intellectual existence *knows you're not going to eat, it ignores your physical existence, and opens your mind to see your other existences.

LOL  what a load of shit, but it's the truth.   So fasting serves a purpose, yeah. 


Another theory I wanted to throw at cha is that people that abstain from something are actually more free to choose, then people who have chosen to do something.

If you've got a guy who's @ a party drinking, he's chosen to drink.  Fine.

If you have a guy at a party, who hasn't chosen to drink... then he still has the ability to choose, to drink, or not to drink.  The other guy has already limited himself by drinking; he can no longer choose not to drink.

Just a thought!