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Rakim
« on: September 03, 2002, 06:04:34 AM »
I have never really heard much of Rakim at all.  In fact the only songs I can think of that I have heard of his are the one on the Juice soundtrack with Eric B. and Addictive.  Personally I thought his part on addictive was nothing special at all, but the song on the Juice sndtrck is tight.  Am I like the only one on here who hasn't heard much of him, and consider him the "best" rapper ever.  As well as I can remember (which isn't very well) there was pretty much no talk about Rakim on this board.  And then Dre announces that Rakim is on aftermath records and Mellowman describes how Dre says this could be the best album ever, that was like a year ago or so.  Since then so many people talk about Rakim.  I don't have any opinion on him because I have only heard 2 of his songs, but it seems like some people are just hip hop groupies who jump on the bandwagon because all of the talk about Rakim.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2002, 06:12:26 AM »
Rakim is dope, no doubt. I heard alotta talk about him a while back and decided to pick up 'The 18th Letter/Greatest Hits' and the CD is off the hook. I suggest you pick it up or download some tracks off it or off his previous albums with Eric B.

I aint heard the soundtrack that you mentioned, but i have (obviously) heard the Truth Hurts joint. It dont do him justice. He is a dope rapper, there is no question. One of the greatest? I wouldnt argue that either..
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2002, 06:18:39 AM »
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 Am I like the only one on here who hasn't heard much of him, and consider him the "best" rapper ever.  As well as I can remember (which isn't very well) there was pretty much no talk about Rakim on this board.  And then Dre announces that Rakim is on aftermath records and Mellowman describes how Dre says this could be the best album ever, that was like a year ago or so.  Since then so many people talk about Rakim.  I don't have any opinion on him because I have only heard 2 of his songs, but it seems like some people are just hip hop groupies who jump on the bandwagon because all of the talk about Rakim.


That's what I see, Dre could be producing a Ja Rule album and everyone here would switch up and be waiting for the album.

Hopefully after listening to Oh My God they will go and cop his other albums cause he did does have material before "Addictive" and joining Aftermath.
 

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Re: Rakim
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2002, 06:22:29 AM »
LONG LIVE THE KANE!
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2002, 08:03:08 AM »
Go here for everything...

http://ohhla.com/YFA_rakim.html
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2002, 08:56:40 AM »
i only got curious to rakim after i heard he hooked up with dre too, so i picked up his old shit with eric b and he's deffiantly TIGHT. not the goat but he is great. and a legend too.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2002, 09:07:46 AM »
yeah i know some people be jumpin on his nuts... i dont claim to know everything and dont really know if he's the best.. but he's one of the only old originators to make it through to the modern era. I had Paid in Full and 18th letter before this dre shit went down.

my favourite Ra track ever is the coldcut '7 minutes of madness' remix of paid in full which i first copped on an old skool compilation years back and led me to follow up more ra stuff.
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2002, 09:08:25 AM »
U do know why Ra's considered the GOAT don't u? its not just because he has mad talent putting words together that rhyme, but because he changed the game with his styles and flow. He started shit loads of things (like rhyming words in the middle of a line, not just the end) that weren't done until he came along and without him rap would be a lot more basic, that is why he is the GOAT. Yeah ras kass often gets more deeper, others may have better flow but they have not made any major changes to the rap game like Ra. U see damn near 100% of rappers that came out after Ra (and a lot who came out before) have been influenced by him, thats why he's God.
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2002, 09:14:28 AM »
uh oh.. back to the 'complicated lyrics makes u a better rapper thing' :) IMO its not.. its how well u convery an image to someone... Guru is another master at this. still i know whut yer saying.. he's an originator, innovator...  thing is.

how many people noticed snoop would always cover an old skool hiphop track on his albums up until recently? lodi dodi, vapors, cindafella etc... paying dues... todays fans aint knowing about the past... they just know the here and now unless they step another level into the culture.



hearing rakim come in on addictive.. to somone who recognised those words was like a quasi-resurrection... to someone who hasnt bumped his stuff... i dunno.
 

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Re: Rakim
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2002, 09:23:28 AM »
I don't know if u were refereing to me when u said "complicated rhymes make you a better rapper" i was trying to show its not just his lyrics as to why he is the GOAT
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2002, 09:33:08 AM »
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U do know why Ra's considered the GOAT don't u? its not just because he has mad talent putting words together that rhyme, but because he changed the game with his styles and flow. He started shit loads of things (like rhyming words in the middle of a line, not just the end) that weren't done until he came along and without him rap would be a lot more basic, that is why he is the GOAT. Yeah ras kass often gets more deeper, others may have better flow but they have not made any major changes to the rap game like Ra. U see damn near 100% of rappers that came out after Ra (and a lot who came out before) have been influenced by him, thats why he's God.


Yo u just hit the fucken nail on the head....very tight post.
Ra took the "Grandmaster Flash & The furious 5" blueprint and ran wit' the realness about life. (White lines/The messege)

He drew pic's with his words....
After Ra.....the game became aware of content period.
Before Ra.....every rapper was talking bout snatching the "S" off of superman's chest and playin' basketball...lol

The Dre thing mean's nothin' to a fan of Rakim.....But to the mainstream it mean's they will finaly be blessed to hear one of the great's spitt.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2002, 09:36:22 AM »
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I don't know if u were refereing to me when u said "complicated rhymes make you a better rapper" i was trying to show its not just his lyrics as to why he is the GOAT


it was kinda pre-emptive defense of your post ;) the next thing that would have been said in a reply to ya post by someone who will say.. 'but rass kass shits on rakim'.


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i just hope his OG fans dont switch up and say he's sold out... altho he's worked with Dre before anyways
 

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Re: Rakim
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2002, 09:38:58 AM »
Many people consider him the G.O.A.T. cuz he was a pioneer back in the 80's, like NWA or KRS-ONE were and he was the one to cum up with more complex rhyme structures. Listenin to him I don't actually think it's the greatest shit I ever heard sumbody spit, but he changed the game so much that u gotta pay respect to him, even if u don't actually feel him that much
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2002, 09:41:34 AM »
its like this... umm......

the first guy to step on the moon is remembered right? the rest... largely forgotten.... yet even when someone goes further and steps on mars... massive advances in (in ra's case production techniques and lyrics) technology... but u cant take away the fact that armstrong was the first on the moon.

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Re: Rakim
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2002, 10:55:32 AM »
About Dre..If dre was to produce an entire Ja Rule album. I most definatly WOULD NOT buy that album..I would download the instrumentals.So don't talk about bandwagons..I was first interested in Ra a couple years ago than slept on him for a bit.Then i heard he hooked up with Dre and i am bumpin the 18th letter again.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2002, 11:01:11 AM »
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I have never really heard much of Rakim at all.  In fact the only songs I can think of that I have heard of his are the one on the Juice soundtrack with Eric B. and Addictive.  Personally I thought his part on addictive was nothing special at all, but the song on the Juice sndtrck is tight.  Am I like the only one on here who hasn't heard much of him, and consider him the "best" rapper ever.  As well as I can remember (which isn't very well) there was pretty much no talk about Rakim on this board.  And then Dre announces that Rakim is on aftermath records and Mellowman describes how Dre says this could be the best album ever, that was like a year ago or so.  Since then so many people talk about Rakim.  I don't have any opinion on him because I have only heard 2 of his songs, but it seems like some people are just hip hop groupies who jump on the bandwagon because all of the talk about Rakim.


I am the same  as you my friend, I have never heard n e of Rakims shit exept for Addictive, and I heard a song the other day called Fllow the Leader with Eric B, that sounded cool but to tell you the truth if I was given 50 qwid to buy 5 cds with I prob wouldent buy a Rakim 1 cause I aint never heard nothin of him till he signed for the math.  But from what I have heard he is that shiznit so I will prob cop the aftermath album like.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2002, 01:40:46 PM »
Same here.  Never was a Rakim fan, and still not sure if I am one.  Though, I really like his verse on "Addictive" and his extra on on the Remix.  I just trust everyone here when they say he is dope.  And now I can look forward to "Oh My God."
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2002, 01:44:17 AM »
Your problem guys is that, you always stuck up in this gangsta rap thining that to be dope you have to rap about bitches and killing. to prove this to you y'all never listen to RAKIM's full album nah you never. I wolud not be surprised if you all don't know the rapper called IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE do you? To me rapping is all about lyrics & content. Basically a good rapper is judged according to his lyrical content, thus is he adding value to the hip hop community (Tupac-dear mama, Nas-second childhood, Guru, Bahamadia, Rakim-don't sweat the technique,Immortal Technique-viva la revolution,etc)  
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2002, 02:46:01 AM »
thing is... some people are new to hiphop... it takes time&money to progress and find what you do and dont like... they'll get there in the end....... or quit and get into techno - lol
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2002, 03:24:28 AM »
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yeah i know some people be jumpin on his nuts... i dont claim to know everything and dont really know if he's the best.. but he's one of the only old originators to make it through to the modern era. I had Paid in Full and 18th letter before this dre shit went down.


Same here. "Paid In Full" was my bro's first, but since he handed all his old hip-hop records down to me he kind of started my collection off  ;D You don't even have to love his music to understand why he's such a legend though, just listen to the music and you will be amazed at how many records have been spawned from not only "Paid In Full" but alot of his other work with Eric.B and his solo work. He's had such an impact on hip-hop that it's pretty unbelievable that not that many people know of him, hopefully "Oh My God" will change all that. I think it's good that people who don't necessarily know of his older work are anticipating his work now he's with Dre, it's gonna open up alot of peoples eyes to what hip-hop really is about and it will also turn them onto his older work. Thats not a bad thing, don't hate on the people who are only now showing him props, Ra deserves the recognition imo.
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Re: Rakim
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2002, 04:31:35 AM »
Rakim gets noticed on this board after signing with Dre 'cause this is a westcoast board. Westcoast issues, and before signing with Dre, Rakim was quiet with the exception of The Master.

As for Rakim being the G.O.A.T. He was very lyrical, and his rhymes were ahead of his time. Listen to rappers in 1987, then listen to Paid In Full, in which he changed the whole game. Before Rakim, the G.O.A.T. was Melli Mel of the Furious 5, after Rakim, the G.O.A.T. was 2Pac. But there is still only one Rakim, and I've called him the 2nd greatest rapper for along time, long before Dre. But he is to rhyming, what Dre is to production, he changed the game and forced everyone on his level. Very few have meet the challenge. Listen to "In The Ghetto", one of the best lyrical storytelling songs I've heard. Rakim has changed the game in terms of rhymes. Before him people weren't as advance as him. After him, great rhymers such as 2Pac, Nas, Notorious B.I.G., Ras Kass, a hungry Jay-Z, the D.O.C. and many more. It's very clear why some call him the G.O.A.T., 'cause he set the standard.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2002, 04:40:38 AM »
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thing is... some people are new to hiphop... it takes time&money to progress and find what you do and dont like... they'll get there in the end....... or quit and get into techno - lol


I definately am not new to hip hop.  I been down since 93.  I just have never bought a Rakim album, and none of my friends have an album of his, so I really didn't know about him.  I have heard of him for years, but I didn't know that he was supposedly so good.  And I will never quit listening to rap for that techno crap.
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2002, 07:06:05 AM »
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Rakim gets noticed on this board after signing with Dre 'cause this is a westcoast board. Westcoast issues, and before signing with Dre, Rakim was quiet with the exception of The Master.

As for Rakim being the G.O.A.T. He was very lyrical, and his rhymes were ahead of his time. Listen to rappers in 1987, then listen to Paid In Full, in which he changed the whole game. Before Rakim, the G.O.A.T. was Melli Mel of the Furious 5, after Rakim, the G.O.A.T. was 2Pac. But there is still only one Rakim, and I've called him the 2nd greatest rapper for along time, long before Dre. But he is to rhyming, what Dre is to production, he changed the game and forced everyone on his level. Very few have meet the challenge. Listen to "In The Ghetto", one of the best lyrical storytelling songs I've heard. Rakim has changed the game in terms of rhymes. Before him people weren't as advance as him. After him, great rhymers such as 2Pac, Nas, Notorious B.I.G., Ras Kass, a hungry Jay-Z, the D.O.C. and many more. It's very clear why some call him the G.O.A.T., 'cause he set the standard.


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I think that if you take one of the 'O's' out of 'Good' it's 'God', if you add a 'D' to 'Evil' it's the 'Devil'. I think some cool motherfucker sat down a long time ago and said 'let's figure out a way to control motherfuckers'.
 

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2002, 08:07:08 AM »
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I wolud not be surprised if you all don't know the rapper called IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE do you? To me rapping is all about lyrics & content.


Off topic for a moment. I've heard of this guy, only recently though as i'm quite a big fan of Jean Grae and I heard she made a track with him called "Illest" so I thought i'd check it out. I did a search for him and I came across the site to Viper Records where they had that track and some others available for download. I have been meaning to check some of the others out but so far i've only got that track. He's on some social/political commentary type stuff which is the kind of stuff I like to listen to nowadays. Do you have his album? If you do how is it?
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I think that if you take one of the 'O's' out of 'Good' it's 'God', if you add a 'D' to 'Evil' it's the 'Devil'. I think some cool motherfucker sat down a long time ago and said 'let's figure out a way to control motherfuckers'.
 

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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2002, 10:51:47 AM »
I had Paid In Full befor Rakim hooked up with Dre but I didn't have his solo shit so I can't deny the fact that Dre is concentrating that much on Rakim made me (re)recognize him...

But I'm glad it did and I like his shit with and without Dre
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