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Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« on: February 01, 2005, 05:11:12 PM »
CHARLOTTE, N.C - They may both be out of office, but Bill Clinton (news - web sites) remains the ultimate boogeyman for former Sen. Jesse Helms.

In a fund-raising a letter for his senatorial library, Helms invokes the specter of the former president leading the United Nations (news - web sites) after Kofi Annan (news - web sites) retires next year.

"I'm sure you might agree that putting a left-wing, undisciplined and ethically challenged former President of the United States into a position of such power would be a tragic mistake," wrote the 83-year-old Republican, who left office in 2003 after five terms.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter Tuesday. It contains a petition asking President Bush (news - web sites) to "rebuke all efforts by Hillary Clinton (news - web sites), John Kerry (news - web sites), and every other liberal in Congress to push for Bill Clinton to become Secretary-General of the United Nations."

A spokesman for Clinton did not respond to a call seeking comment. Clinton has said nothing publicly about wanting to lead the U.N.

The Jesse Helms Center in Wingate, 30 miles southeast of Charlotte, has a lecture series that has attracted speakers such as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Its Web site describes it as a "nonpartisan organization" that promotes the principles espoused by Helms.

Annan appointed Clinton Tuesday to be a U.N. special envoy for tsunami reconstruction and to help resolve rebel conflicts in two of the hardest hit countries, Indonesia and Sri Lanka. The appointment will begin next month.

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What's your opinion on this? This thread is not designed for the many Rampants and Machiavellis.... so logical, analytic answers only
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2005, 05:11:48 PM »
bill rocks my socks
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 05:13:11 PM »
bill rocks my socks

Yea so does your mom.
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2005, 05:13:15 PM »
Go for it.

I don't see why repubs are getting angry. If anything this would give us more weight in the UN.
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2005, 05:19:31 PM »
Go for it.

I don't see why repubs are getting angry. If anything this would give us more weight in the UN.

Cool. Do you happen to know how one becomes Secretary-General? What I mean to ask is whether there is a certain % of votes within the UN members required?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2005, 05:21:52 PM »
I thought bill clinton was a good president, and i dont see the harm in him doing this.
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 05:27:27 PM »
^ overated
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2005, 06:03:07 PM »
The United Nations Secretary-General is the head of the Secretariat, one of the principal organs of the United Nations. According to the United Nations Charter, the Secretary-General is appointed by the General Assembly on the recommendation of the Security Council.

The current Secretary-General is Kofi Annan. His appointment began on January 1, 1997, and his second term began on January 1, 2002.

The Secretary-General is appointed to a five year term. UN Secretaries-General normally spend two terms in office; however, sometimes, they will serve only one. The position of UN Secretary-General is supposed to rotate by geographic region, but that rule is often broken; since Mr Boutros-Ghali served only one term, a successor that was also from Africa was chosen, Kofi Annan, and after Mr Annan had finished his first term, the member states were so impressed with Annan's performance that he was appointed for a second term despite the fact that the next Secretary-General should have been from Asia. There has not yet been a Secretary-General from North America or Oceania.

Rumours have recently surfaced that former U.S. President Bill Clinton and current Chilean President Ricardo Lagos have set their sights on becoming Secretary-General. However, it is generally considered to be Asia's turn to fill the post. No announcement has been made, but behind the scenes China is already pushing the candidacy of Thai Foreign Minister Surakiart Sathirathai, who also seems to have U.S. support. If Clinton does emerge as a candidate, however, China would most likely shift its support.

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2005, 06:29:03 PM »
Interesting
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2005, 06:23:10 AM »
i like bill clinton but i would worry about having an ex american president as head of the UN when america already has the most power over the UN, it would also make it easier for america to make changes to UN (as changes to the UN have to be approved by congress), and they may find it more difficult to win over support from certain countries over issues such as sudan. i would also be concerned over having a chineese candidate.

I believe it should be an asian candidate next though

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2005, 07:16:04 AM »
i like bill clinton but i would worry about having an ex american president as head of the UN when america already has the most power over the UN, it would also make it easier for america to make changes to UN (as changes to the UN have to be approved by congress), and they may find it more difficult to win over support from certain countries over issues such as sudan. i would also be concerned over having a chineese candidate.

I don't think the Secretary General has that much authority, if he did he wouldn't be black for 2 terms :D 
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2005, 11:02:12 AM »
The UN is not America! its an international organisation skin colour has nothing to do with it. even if the secretary general doesn't have much power (how much of that is true i don't know?) he has alot of influence. the bush administration has made anti american sentiment increase hugely since coming to power do you think those people will respect bill clinton or will they see america having more power over the UN than before. i've always spoken very highly of bill clinton but the role isn't suited to him IMO

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 05:50:21 PM »
I'm gonna have to go with Don Rizzle on this one.. He was a good president but things being what they are in the world, its probably not the best time for him. If world sentiment changed over the next few years, then i'd be in favour
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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2005, 05:52:55 PM »
The UN is not America! its an international organisation skin colour has nothing to do with it. even if the secretary general doesn't have much power (how much of that is true i don't know?) he has alot of influence. the bush administration has made anti american sentiment increase hugely since coming to power do you think those people will respect bill clinton or will they see america having more power over the UN than before. i've always spoken very highly of bill clinton but the role isn't suited to him IMO

I don't think people associate Bill Clinton with the Bush Version of America. 
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2005, 12:12:34 AM »
Go for it.

I don't see why repubs are getting angry. If anything this would give us more weight in the UN.

the US shits on the UN....they dont need clinton to give them weight



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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2005, 07:23:47 PM »
Go for it.

I don't see why repubs are getting angry. If anything this would give us more weight in the UN.

the US shits on the UN....they dont need clinton to give them weight



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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2005, 01:10:57 AM »
I thought bill clinton was a good president, and i dont see the harm in him doing this.
yeah i agree, the worst that could happen is it gets revealed he had his sausage slobbered on again...lol, let the dude do his political thang.


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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2005, 06:02:04 AM »
The UN is not America! its an international organisation skin colour has nothing to do with it. even if the secretary general doesn't have much power (how much of that is true i don't know?) he has alot of influence. the bush administration has made anti american sentiment increase hugely since coming to power do you think those people will respect bill clinton or will they see america having more power over the UN than before. i've always spoken very highly of bill clinton but the role isn't suited to him IMO

Bill Clinton is loved by the World (France/Germany/China) what are you talking about?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2005, 09:33:51 AM »
you don't seem to understand its about power and influence, america has huge power of the UN and is not afraid to use it, having bill clinton as the head of the UN would only increase that. This would undermine its capacity as an international organisation and would send it into further crisis, and is more than likely to cause further divide within the organisation, i don't believe the position should goto anyone from perminant security council member states (those who hold the vetos).

I disagree with american thinking on many issues which is why i believe an american running things would hinder global unity.
America is against the ICC
America is against Kyto and dealing with climate change
In the recent G7 meeting America was the obstical to boosting development aid, eradicating poverty and increasing the number of countries considered for debt relief.
America has controversial military procedures like the use of cluster bombs and landmines as well as the internationally condemned gauntamino bay.


its increasing evident thats its all on europe to solve the world's key problems like poverty and climate change. Having an American head the UN would send the wrong message and would probably make it harder to solve the key issues.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2005, 10:34:27 AM »
you don't seem to understand its about power and influence, america has huge power of the UN and is not afraid to use it, having bill clinton as the head of the UN would only increase that. This would undermine its capacity as an international organisation and would send it into further crisis, and is more than likely to cause further divide within the organisation, i don't believe the position should goto anyone from perminant security council member states (those who hold the vetos).

America has 1 vote just like every country in the security council.
(If they don't like the vote count they'll use Sept 11th license to invade the world.)

Like some1 said above Bill Clinton does not represent W Bush's America.


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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2005, 03:56:54 PM »
you don't seem to understand its about power and influence, america has huge power of the UN and is not afraid to use it, having bill clinton as the head of the UN would only increase that. This would undermine its capacity as an international organisation and would send it into further crisis, and is more than likely to cause further divide within the organisation, i don't believe the position should goto anyone from perminant security council member states (those who hold the vetos).

America has 1 vote just like every country in the security council.
(If they don't like the vote count they'll use Sept 11th license to invade the world.)

Like some1 said above Bill Clinton does not represent W Bush's America.



america also pressures other countries to vote in their favour. like i said before its my opinion veto holders should not submit canditates

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2005, 12:23:17 AM »
you don't seem to understand its about power and influence, america has huge power of the UN and is not afraid to use it, having bill clinton as the head of the UN would only increase that. This would undermine its capacity as an international organisation and would send it into further crisis, and is more than likely to cause further divide within the organisation, i don't believe the position should goto anyone from perminant security council member states (those who hold the vetos).

I disagree with american thinking on many issues which is why i believe an american running things would hinder global unity.
America is against the ICC
America is against Kyto and dealing with climate change
In the recent G7 meeting America was the obstical to boosting development aid, eradicating poverty and increasing the number of countries considered for debt relief.
America has controversial military procedures like the use of cluster bombs and landmines as well as the internationally condemned gauntamino bay.


its increasing evident thats its all on europe to solve the world's key problems like poverty and climate change. Having an American head the UN would send the wrong message and would probably make it harder to solve the key issues.


You know nothing of U.S. politics. Bill Clinton represents a completely different America than te America you are listing. Bush and the Republicans don't favor these things, meaning it's 99.9999% possilbe Bill Clinton and the Democrats support it. After having Bill Clinton as one of the best presidents in the U.S. in the last 40 years, I think he more than qualifies as a proven leader for the U.N. He has tried to go the Carter way of his presidency and tried to help make peace with other crountries, and has taken heat from the Republicans for being to "weak" in foreign affairs. His also taken heat for having the U.S. be the main supplier of soldiers in U.N. wars. Bill Clinton listen to what the rest of the world wanted, and he did want he could as an American president to make all you damn people happy, and you guys still disrespect him 'cause his a former U.S. president. As of late, it seems like the U.S. president if more powerful than the head of the U.N. anyways, since the U.N. can't seem to do shit to stop the U.S. from invading people. In situations like this, the U.N. would have called Bill and ask for troops to kick out the invading country, and Bill would do what the U.N. wanted. Now you are scared Bill would give us too much power... lmao. You're a fuck fool
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2005, 12:48:27 AM »
look you obviously don't have the ability to comprehend where i'm coming from ( yes i know the difference betweeen bush and clinton, i respect bill) and you lack the intelligence to see things on an international perspective.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2005, 08:51:33 AM »
look you obviously don't have the ability to comprehend where i'm coming from ( yes i know the difference betweeen bush and clinton, i respect bill) and you lack the intelligence to see things on an international perspective.

Lack the intellgence??

Muthaphukka, quit the insults and listen for a damn change. Bill Clinton I think would be the best person for the job. You said they take turns were the leader is from. Well North America has yet to have a someone in that position, so when is it our turn. Our will our turn be reserved for just someone from Mexico or Canada. If Bill Clinton is the best man for the job, fuck the politics of the U.S. and the world, Bill Clinton should get the position. Hell, honestly Jimmy Carter would have been perfect since his more of a humanitarion than anything else. I see things on an international level, shit, you ever watch news in Spanish, it's straight Latin America, which is international, get a Latin American feel. I still think after having him as president, Bill Clinton would do wonders for the U.N. I think your fear of the U.S. getting to much power is not found, because we already have too much power. I think though that instead of hating the U.S. for having too much power, the U.N. should take advantage of that and find away to use U.S. power for the betterment of the world.
 

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Re: Republicans trying to keep Clinton out of UN
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2005, 11:17:54 AM »
look you obviously don't have the ability to comprehend where i'm coming from ( yes i know the difference betweeen bush and clinton, i respect bill) and you lack the intelligence to see things on an international perspective.

Lack the intellgence??

Muthaphukka, quit the insults and listen for a damn change. Bill Clinton I think would be the best person for the job. You said they take turns were the leader is from. Well North America has yet to have a someone in that position, so when is it our turn. Our will our turn be reserved for just someone from Mexico or Canada. If Bill Clinton is the best man for the job, fuck the politics of the U.S. and the world, Bill Clinton should get the position. Hell, honestly Jimmy Carter would have been perfect since his more of a humanitarion than anything else. I see things on an international level, shit, you ever watch news in Spanish, it's straight Latin America, which is international, get a Latin American feel. I still think after having him as president, Bill Clinton would do wonders for the U.N. I think your fear of the U.S. getting to much power is not found, because we already have too much power. I think though that instead of hating the U.S. for having too much power, the U.N. should take advantage of that and find away to use U.S. power for the betterment of the world.

i actually agree whole heartedly with m dogg here


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