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communism could it have worked?
« on: February 16, 2005, 04:39:17 PM »
the theory of everyone working together for good of one entity has always interested me we all know it has failed in this capitalist dominated world but id like you to just think about what might of happenned if it hadn't been a clash of civilisations, if communists had been left free to run their affairs under their own idealoligies. The reason i bring this up is that ever since ww2 until the fall of the soviet union its been capitilism vs communism and the capitalists were the victor, but if there wasn't this culture of aggression between the two ways of life could communisism flurish? or do think it would be riddled with corruption and deception, would there be the need for this when you take the elements of foreign aggression out of the equation? or would there be increased suspicion over foreign motives when every country is vigorously pursueing their nationalist agenda. i'm interested on all of your thaughts on this subject.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2005, 05:03:54 PM »
In a perfect world, capitalism would of been choice. Unfortunately, the hearts of men are selfish, greedy, fucked up, etc. etc. so capitalism is the best fit for this glove. Unlike communism, capitalism gives you a lot more drive to get up and contribute to the system because you just just be lazy and feed off of it. Ypu get lazy in the capitalist atmosphere and your ass is on the street.

I also think people like to have more control over their destiny. I know I wouldn't want someone telling me what to do, where to work, yadda yadda. That would be the case for me if I were in a communist situation.
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2005, 05:04:51 PM »
The reason that communism has failed in certain cases has much to do with the way it was organized. Miscalculations of quotas and demand resulted in shortages and surpluses that hurt the economies. However, if you look at Cuba, you'll find that the living standard and economy in Cuba is relatively better than that of many other Latin American countries.
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2005, 05:27:11 PM »
Siko-lic-no bitch azz niggaz, So when you see the B-D-O-double G, sleep creep low:
Unlike communism, capitalism gives you a lot more drive to get up and contribute to the system because you just just be lazy and feed off of it. Ypu get lazy in the capitalist atmosphere and your ass is on the street.


i disagree with you there.  communism isn't about sharing everything equally with everyone, it's about establishing a solid baseline for everyone.  for example, guaranteeing that everyone has a job, food, shelter and adequate health care.  you can still reward talent and excellence within a communist society, that is where luxury plays in.  however, people that are lazy and unmotivated can work as street sweepers and live at that baseline.

additionally, you can borrow the motivating factors from capitalist societies.
for example, you can employ red teaming to synthesize competition.  even with a state controlled economy and state controlled industry that doesn't mean there can only be one type of dishwashing liquid.  you can have two or three players in an industry, they compete amongst themselves, excellence is rewarded, incompetence is punished...etc.  the military does this to some extent, creating red teams to act as an adaptive intelligent enemy against military planning. 

the biggest problem with capitalism is that the incentive is not to satisfy the consumer but the owners, investors and share-holders.  if you can make a process 50% more efficient, it doesn't make sense to lower the costs to the consumer by 50%, but to pocket a large chunk of that as profit until (if ever) your competition catches up.  capitalism also reward monopolistic behavior, there's no reason not to.  which is why governments have to step in and regulate.  government also has had to step in to regulate worker rights, workplace safety, environmental regulations.  with capitalism the bottom line is always profits and not the community or the consumers.  if you look at the pro-capitalism arguments, consumer benefit and community benefit is alway a by-product of competition, never the goal.  with state run industry and a state controlled economy, there is no incentive to cheat consumers, there is only an incentive towards perpetually increasing efficiency.

that said, communism and socialism have both proven to be too susceptible to corruption.  although the track record for democracy and capitalism isn't much better.
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2005, 05:57:06 PM »
u might have heard of a little country named China. THey have communism politics and socialist market economy, the fastest growing economy in the world
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2005, 06:13:11 PM »
the theory of everyone working together for good of one entity has always interested me we all know it has failed in this capitalist dominated world but id like you to just think about what might of happenned if it hadn't been a clash of civilisations, if communists had been left free to run their affairs under their own idealoligies. The reason i bring this up is that ever since ww2 until the fall of the soviet union its been capitilism vs communism and the capitalists were the victor, but if there wasn't this culture of aggression between the two ways of life could communisism flurish? or do think it would be riddled with corruption and deception, would there be the need for this when you take the elements of foreign aggression out of the equation? or would there be increased suspicion over foreign motives when every country is vigorously pursueing their nationalist agenda. i'm interested on all of your thaughts on this subject.

oh my fucking goodness, do you even know what communism is ? it has proven to fail over and over again, take germany for example, east germany is still poorer than west because they stuck with communism...

communism is bullshit, its not good for society its not good for nayone, maybe its good for slackers that earn and have the same status as those who work hard...

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2005, 07:10:34 PM »
Communism is a great idea that could never work.

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005, 12:25:57 AM »
the fastest growing economy in the world

that's about the only positive thing about china
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2005, 12:39:34 AM »
the fastest growing economy in the world

that's about the only positive thing about china
hmmm... standard of living has quadrupled in the past 15 years, that's sayin something. THe reason china is behind is because of Mao's "reforms" like the hundred flowers campaign which basically impeded China's progress in the name of communist ideology. Deng Xiao Ping was the smarter man and introduced the Socialist Market economy, and ever since then China has been moving forward. Watch, in 25 years China will be on the same level as the U.S. as far as economy goes
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2005, 01:12:45 AM »
Communism is a great idea that could never work.
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2005, 03:22:17 AM »
A really working form of communism is utopic. It's about a society without classes. That is impossible, and against human nature. During our entire history, there have been conflicts between rich and poor, slaveholders and slaves, nobility and peasants.
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2005, 04:32:25 AM »
Communism is a great idea that could never work.

that may be the wrong way to look at it.   i think the real question is:
"communism has pretty much failed everywhere it's been tried; what would you do differently to allow for a successful communist society?"

That is impossible, and against human nature. During our entire history, there have been conflicts between rich and poor, slaveholders and slaves, nobility and peasants.

comunism is supposed to keep the gap between the rich and poor reasonable.  unlike in capitalist societies and ownership societies where the gap between the rich and poor only grows with time.   capitalism had a problem with slaveholders and slaves and with segregation very recently.  capitalism is more susceptible to these sorts of issues than communism; as industry is privately controlled and less regulated. 
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2005, 07:07:55 AM »
the fastest growing economy in the world

that's about the only positive thing about china
hmmm... standard of living has quadrupled in the past 15 years, that's sayin something. THe reason china is behind is because of Mao's "reforms" like the hundred flowers campaign which basically impeded China's progress in the name of communist ideology. Deng Xiao Ping was the smarter man and introduced the Socialist Market economy, and ever since then China has been moving forward. Watch, in 25 years China will be on the same level as the U.S. as far as economy goes

keep dreaming homeboy

i don't have stats neither i feel like looking them up, but there's a LOT of poverty in china

people are homeless all their life and the gov't won't help them out. great country!
 

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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2005, 08:04:06 AM »

That is impossible, and against human nature. During our entire history, there have been conflicts between rich and poor, slaveholders and slaves, nobility and peasants.

comunism is supposed to keep the gap between the rich and poor reasonable.  unlike in capitalist societies and ownership societies where the gap between the rich and poor only grows with time.   capitalism had a problem with slaveholders and slaves and with segregation very recently.  capitalism is more susceptible to these sorts of issues than communism; as industry is privately controlled and less regulated. 

LoL.. um.. am I saying something different? Capitalism just fits our society better. Although communism would be pretty cool, Humans are no communists. It can never work. Never. I'm talking about the perfect form of the idea of communism, of course some lighter forms obviously work, but not as good as they would if the human race was different.
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Re: communism could it have worked?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2005, 06:00:24 PM »
you fucking commies...

communism would have never worked, and was a shit house idea, it would bring down our race in every shape form and fashion... competition and rising to our best is what drives us forward, if everyone is equal there would be too many people not pulling their weight... its not about human nature, its about what an individual wants.