"Heavy" music.

[white Boy]

hard shit i like, Zeppelin, sabath, guns and roses,
new shit - Muse, Mars volta, Jimi, weezer, nirvana...

im not really into really heavy shit...

[djkohl4]

metallica rules, check out reloaded for some tight jams

[Shallow]

Sabbath has a new album coming? With or with out Ozzy?

[Kill]

canīt tell you alot about metal. As for hardcore punk, iīm not really into it either (when it comes to punk i prefer the poppier stuff cause itīs more musical), but you could try out bands like Raised Fist, Snapcase, Against All Authority, The Exploited, Refused etc. But as said, Iīm more into stuff like Green Day, Descendents or Lagwagon, some punk fans disrespect that shit and it definitely ainīt hardcore, but to me itīs just more interesting, musically

I'm not at all into pop punk. It's not really punk to begin with.

The Refused are awesome, though. I scream like their lead singer. He pretty much influenced my vocals.

that "real punk" thing reminds me of the "real" hiphop thing...itīs stupid. Technically, Green Day and Lagwagon do make a kind of rock music that classifies as punk, whatever their relation to punk culture is. The Descendentsī influence on a lot of punk music is undeniable. All Iīm saying is that I do know bands who make harder stuff, but most of it is musically even more simple than the pop punk stuff already is....Refused are good, only i personally prefer singing over yelling and shouting. But AAA for example, some of their music is alright, but you cannot claim itīs very challenging to write those compositions. If you like it itīs cool, but i get bored from it. Iīm glad there are poppier bands like Green Day, because "Dookie" is just one of the most entertaining albums in my pretty large CD collection, whether itīs "really punk" or not, "Warning" was interestingly different and I even like how they completly desisted from "punk" however you define it and made "Boulevard Of Broken Dreams". That song is great and musically beyond 99% of those hardcore bands. But like I said, HC punk can be cool and itīs cool if you like it, only i hate it when some HC punk fans bash the poppier stuff (not talking about you now) to demonstrate how "real" they are, ignoring the music itself. Very similar to those stubborn, narrow-minded hiphop underground heads...to each his own

[-Euthanasia-]

DEATH TO GREEN DAY!!! they sold out

[Kill]

DEATH TO GREEN DAY!!! they sold out

pretty much what iīm talking about...itīs notlike they make shitty music and itīs not like they EVER went on about what real fuckin punks they were...They started out as so-called "fun punk" and now they made some songs that donīt have to do shit with punk....SO WHAT?

[The New Pollution]

canīt tell you alot about metal. As for hardcore punk, iīm not really into it either (when it comes to punk i prefer the poppier stuff cause itīs more musical), but you could try out bands like Raised Fist, Snapcase, Against All Authority, The Exploited, Refused etc. But as said, Iīm more into stuff like Green Day, Descendents or Lagwagon, some punk fans disrespect that shit and it definitely ainīt hardcore, but to me itīs just more interesting, musically

I'm not at all into pop punk. It's not really punk to begin with.

The Refused are awesome, though. I scream like their lead singer. He pretty much influenced my vocals.

that "real punk" thing reminds me of the "real" hiphop thing...itīs stupid. Technically, Green Day and Lagwagon do make a kind of rock music that classifies as punk, whatever their relation to punk culture is. The Descendentsī influence on a lot of punk music is undeniable. All Iīm saying is that I do know bands who make harder stuff, but most of it is musically even more simple than the pop punk stuff already is....Refused are good, only i personally prefer singing over yelling and shouting. But AAA for example, some of their music is alright, but you cannot claim itīs very challenging to write those compositions. If you like it itīs cool, but i get bored from it. Iīm glad there are poppier bands like Green Day, because "Dookie" is just one of the most entertaining albums in my pretty large CD collection, whether itīs "really punk" or not, "Warning" was interestingly different and I even like how they completly desisted from "punk" however you define it and made "Boulevard Of Broken Dreams". That song is great and musically beyond 99% of those hardcore bands. But like I said, HC punk can be cool and itīs cool if you like it, only i hate it when some HC punk fans bash the poppier stuff (not talking about you now) to demonstrate how "real" they are, ignoring the music itself. Very similar to those stubborn, narrow-minded hiphop underground heads...to each his own

Seriously. I am in those circles, and I can tell the difference between pop punk and punk. There is just so much. And I am far from close minded. It's just how it is. Punk is more than just power chords or conventional time signatures.

And who cares if it's simple? Rap is even more simpel than punk. If it sounds good, it's good. And how many pop punk bands can claim to have the the most important and innovative guitarist of their decade? Black Flag can, and they're a hardcore band. With free-jazz and heavy metal elements.

It's fine you like those bands. I don't care. It's just that they are not punk. Except ofr the Descendents. Sure they're poppy. But so were the Ramones. Being catchy or not doesn't have to do anything with being punk or not.

Also. Punk without shitty production and a lot of guitar feedback just wouldn't be punk. It's like metal without distorted guitars. Punk has to be dirty and chaos to be punk. Just like computer music (like, let's say, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Paul Lansky) needs computers.

metallica rules, check out reloaded for some tight jams

The last thing I'd check out if I'd listen to Metallica would be Reloaded. They started to suck after ....And Justice For All. Kill 'Em All's good, though. I still think Lars Ulrich is rather overrated as a drummer, though.

Anyway. To anyone who did not know yet. I was member of this forum more than a year ago or something. One of my screennames was Whenimondamic. In case anyone remembers me.

[Suffice]

yeah definitely check out the Mars Volta. Another band i'd check out is Sigur Ros if i were u, it's some great shit, a lot like Godspeed. Bjork's new album is some heavy shit. Check out Dream Theater, they're a great band. NIN's "the Fragile" is a good album also.

[The New Pollution]

yeah definitely check out the Mars Volta. Another band i'd check out is Sigur Ros if i were u, it's some great shit, a lot like Godspeed. Bjork's new album is some heavy shit. Check out Dream Theater, they're a great band. NIN's "the Fragile" is a good album also.

The Mars Volta's first 2 records are great. As in, their EP and Deloused. I'm not very pleased with the leaked version of their new album. Especially The Widow. It sounds like a cheesy Stairway To Heaven rip-off. And STH sucks ass.
I have ( ) by Sigur Rós by the way. Track 4 is awesome. Although the whole thing is rather pretentious. The music itself is awesome. The fact that they made a concept album that focusses on the music rather than the credits or lyrics is something I'd like to see more often. Mogwai are a great band, too.

Dream Theater are extremely talented but I always thought of them as pretty cheesy. I have a lot of respect for their musicianship, though.

Anyway. When I say heavy music, I don't mean rock music in general. Just the heavy sub genres. The Mars Volta, Sigur Rós, Nirvana, etc. aren't really heavy. And Sigur Rós aren't even close to heavy.

[Machiavelli]

Led Zepplin and Sabbath are real good

for punk i like the Sex Pistols--thats real punk

[Suffice]

yeah, it seems like you're looking more for metal bands. i'm not into that kind of shit to be honest. GYBE isn't even close to heavy if you mean heavy guitar riffs and lyrics, cuz Godspeed don't even have lyrics. You should check out Fugazi if u havent'

[The New Pollution]

I am not looking for anything. I'm in a metal band, the last thing I'd really need is anyone to recommend me metal or grindcore. And yes, I know of GY!BE, and I listen to them all the time. I have their first album in my signature.

Fugazi are good. But I prefer Ian's first band. Minor Threat.

[Kill]

Seriously. I am in those circles, and I can tell the difference between pop punk and punk. There is just so much. And I am far from close minded. It's just how it is. Punk is more than just power chords or conventional time signatures.

And who cares if it's simple? Rap is even more simpel than punk. If it sounds good, it's good. And how many pop punk bands can claim to have the the most important and innovative guitarist of their decade? Black Flag can, and they're a hardcore band. With free-jazz and heavy metal elements.

It's fine you like those bands. I don't care. It's just that they are not punk. Except ofr the Descendents. Sure they're poppy. But so were the Ramones. Being catchy or not doesn't have to do anything with being punk or not.

Also. Punk without shitty production and a lot of guitar feedback just wouldn't be punk. It's like metal without distorted guitars. Punk has to be dirty and chaos to be punk. Just like computer music (like, let's say, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Paul Lansky) needs computers.

donīt state that like itīs a fact. I doubt thereīs a precise definition of punk that every album can be judged by as to if itīs punk or not. Itīs not like I care if my Lagwagon CDīs are punk, but the technical definition of the style is not clear from all I know,prove me wrong (prove though, donīt just SAY itīs wrong)

And no, I donīt care itīs simple, at times I just need less simple music. MOST rap is more simple musically, but itīs also an art to make a good repetitious rap song arrangement, I mean a REALLY good one...and rap is more challenging when it comes to linguistic versitality, but i donīt wanna make this a comparison, what would be the point

and I donīt think Greg Ginn was the most innovative guitarist of a whole decade

Anyway. To anyone who did not know yet. I was member of this forum more than a year ago or something. One of my screennames was Whenimondamic. In case anyone remembers me.

donīt consider yourself too important but i figured that before you said it lol. You got banned back then right?

[Don Jacob]

if it's heavy you want than heavy i give to thee


Iron Maiden- 2 minutes to midnight, Number of the Beast, Aces High, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Run to the hills, Children of the damned, The Trooper
Metallica-Frayed ends of Sanity, Shortest Straw, Creeping Death, Fight Fire with Fire, Disposable heros, Four Horsemen, seek and Destroy
Megadeth-angry again, Peace Sells, Hangar 18, Holy Wars, trust
Slayer-seasons in the Abyss, south of heaven, angel of death, raining blood
Pantera-Mouth for war, Walk, cowboys from hell, flood,cemetary gates, fucking hostile

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