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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2005, 05:02:57 PM »
They said it's impossible Americans didnt know about our "mission", infact they changed their first version of the story ("we didnt know about the mission") with a new one ("we knew it, but there was a lack of communication"). It changes everything. Americans knew it, in fact they are the only ones to control the Airport. And there was an italian airplane who landed there some minutes before, so they had their authorization and Americans checked it front to back. They knew about this mission. They probably didnt communicate well between American intelligence and American army. So the patrol probably didnt know there was a car coming there. About the shooting, our members of intelligence still alive confirmed they werent driving fast, no way. In fact Americans changed their version about that too. Plus they didnt have time to stop, since Americans suddenly started to shooting. For 10 long seconds, damaging the car's engine, hitting 2 guys, killing one and injuring Giuliana Sgrena. Pratically them all. About the cellulars, they're still confiscated by Americans, and they aint giving them back to our prosecutor yet. But they are sending him the damaged car to make ballistic tests. American ambassador is again in Berlusconi's office as i write. If you didnt know, to officially call an ambassador in your office is the strongest thing you can diplomatically do to another Country. It never happened in our history before, just to let you understand how deep and important is this thing. Not even for the massacre of Ustica or the one of Cermis, if you know what i'm talking about. Bush better handle it well. We will probably ask American ambassador the cellulars and the transcripts of the interrogations of the soldiers who made the mistake. And their names. Americans legally can refuse to cooperate, since they are "military secrets", but my feeling is that if they do it, they'll loose the best ally they have in Europe at the moment breaking once forever the international relationships between USA and Europe/rest of the world. We will see. The damaged car will arrive in Italy tomorrow or the next day. Other important things i'm hearing.. Giuliana Sgrena denied she knew "special secrets" Americans didnt want her to know. And it's pacific that they didnt shot 400 rifles on them. She lied. But that's because she's a communist lefwinger noglobal antiamerican bitch. Fucking communists! She also said an important thing about those manifestations pro-peace communists and antiamericans use to do. She said the people who kidnapped her used to watch tv. When they saw thousands of people manifesting for her and burning the american flag, they used to say: "You see it? You're famous! People is with us! We did a good thing kidnapping you!!". So instead of helping negotiations, those manifestations drove the negotiations into the payment of a ransom, probably. Fucking morons!
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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2005, 05:14:46 PM »
don't forget britain tony blair is a strong supporter of bush too

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2005, 05:18:47 PM »
don't forget britain tony blair is a strong supporter of bush too

Yeah, if you cut Great Britain and Israel, who storically are very close to Americans, we're up there, probably 3rd. And we're very important politically for Bush, in Europe. Remember Berlusconi is a very good friend of Putin too.
 

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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2005, 07:37:30 PM »
Okay, this thread has blown up to three pages, I don't have time to read everything, I'm kind of behind on this event.  Could somebody just break it down for me in a few sentences what has happened?

I have a few questions.

I heard from someone that the news said American's shot her on purpose?  Is there any truth to that?  Was she some kind of threat to America?  And was the event an accident?
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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2005, 01:34:32 AM »
Okay, this thread has blown up to three pages, I don't have time to read everything, I'm kind of behind on this event.  Could somebody just break it down for me in a few sentences what has happened?

A convoy of Italians freed an hostage from Iraqi, and on their way to the airport, at about 700mt from it, an american patrol friendly fired them killing one man (medal of honor), hitting the kidnapped journalist and injuring (but we dont know more, since i'm talking about 007's) one or two more guys.

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I have a few questions. I heard from someone that the news said American's shot her on purpose?  Is there any truth to that?  Was she some kind of threat to America?  And was the event an accident?

They are still investigating about it. I think they didnt shot them on purpose (simply cause they didnt kill her, so..), but it was a lack of communication between American intelligence (they knew about the mission and about our convoy coming to the airport, since the airport is totally controlled by Americans and our airplane was ready to flight the hostage to Italy) and American army (i mean that patrol). The patrol was a mobile one, so it happened it was there that moment. They were probably scared (it's a dangerous zone) and they opened fire. The convoy wasnt going fast... it's a culpable homicide, imo. Not an assault.
 

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Re: Italy disputes U.S. shooting account
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2005, 09:59:45 AM »
(CNN) -- Italy's foreign minister has openly disputed the U.S. military's account of the shooting death of an Italian intelligence agent in Iraq. Gianfranco Fini ruled out suggestions that U.S. forces might have deliberately targeted the Italians, but he told parliament Tuesday there were discrepancies between Italian and U.S. accounts. Fini restated Rome's demand for a full explanation from the Americans, putting fresh pressure on Washington. U.S. President George W. Bush has promised Italy a full investigation would be conducted. "It was certainly an accident, an accident caused by a series of circumstances and coincidences," Fini said. "But this doesn't mean, in fact it makes it necessary, to demand that events are clarified, to ask for explanations of the points that are still unclear, to identify those responsible, and if people are to blame then to request and obtain that the guilty parties are punished," he said. Fini's comments come a day after Italy held a state funeral for agent Nicola Calipari, 50, who was killed when a convoy carrying freed Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena was hit by a barrage of gunfire from U.S. troops when it did not stop at a checkpoint Friday night. Fini gave parliament a detailed reconstruction of the incident, insisting the Italians had been driving slowly and had received no warning before the attack -- counter to suggestions by U.S. authorities. "The car was traveling at a velocity that couldn't have been more than 40 kilometers (25 miles) per hour," Fini said, adding there were no attempts to stop the car as indicated by the U.S. military. Immediately after the fatal shooting, U.S. soldiers apologized profusely to Sgrena and an unnamed intelligence officer who survived the gunfire, Fini said. He said Calipari, an experienced officer who had negotiated the release of other hostages in Iraq in the past, "made all the necessary contacts with the U.S. authorities," both with those in charge of airport security and with the forces patrolling areas next to the airport. "The government has a duty to point out that the reconstruction of the tragic event that I have set out and as emerges from the direct account of our secret service official who was with Dr. Calipari does not coincide, totally, with what has been said so far by the U.S. authorities," Fini said. Earlier Tuesday, a senior U.S. official said the checkpoint where Calipari was killed had been set up for the passage of the U.S. ambassador to Iraq on the road to the Baghdad airport. Ambassador John Negroponte had been expected to pass the Baghdad-area checkpoint a short time later, the official said. Sgrena, a journalist, had just been freed by kidnappers after a month in captivity and was being escorted by Italian security agents to safety. Calipari, 50, threw his body across Sgrena when U.S. troops opened fire. The details surrounding the incident have been widely disputed by Sgrena, who said there was no checkpoint. "Our car was driving slowly ... the Americans fired without motive," Sgrena said. In an article published Sunday in her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, Sgrena described a "rain of fire and bullets" in the incident. The U.S. military said Sgrena's car rapidly approached a checkpoint Friday night, and those inside ignored repeated warnings to stop. Troops used arm signals and flashing white lights, fired warning shots in front of the car, and shot into the engine block when the driver did not stop, the military said in a statement. But in an interview with Italy's La 7 Television, the 56-year-old journalist said "there was no bright light, no signal." And Italian magistrate Franco Ionta said Sgrena reported the incident was not at a checkpoint, but rather that the shots came from "a patrol that shot as soon as they lit us up with a spotlight." It remains unclear whether U.S. officials knew that the Italian security team would be taking Sgrena to the airport. Sgrena was slightly wounded in the shoulder and underwent treatment at a U.S. hospital in Baghdad. She is now back in Rome, getting follow-up treatment at the city's military hospital. Sgrena has promised Calipari's widow she would find out why they were attacked. CNN's Rome Bureau Chief Alessio Vinci said Sgrena was not ruling out the possibility that the Americans may have targeted her on purpose because the U.S. opposed negotiating with kidnappers. The White House on Monday rejected the suggestion, as did Italy's foreign minister. "I think it's absurd to make any such suggestion that our men and women in uniform deliberately targeted innocent civilians. That's just absurd," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Monday. Italian media suggest a ransom was paid for her release, but government officials are not commenting on the reports. The Italian government has paid ransoms to free other hostages in the past. An autopsy found Calipari, an experienced negotiator who had previously secured the release of other Italian hostages in Baghdad, was killed by a single shot to the head and died instantly.
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Re: Shocking update on the Italian killed by Americans in Iraq.
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2005, 05:55:03 PM »
Italy officially confirmed we didnt pay a single $ to free Giuliana Sgrena, and we never did.