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The only thing I'm being taught to hate or dislike as a Muslim is oppression. And I didn't even have to be taught that by any religion.
Quote from: Muharram 1426 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 02:39:16 PMThe only thing I'm being taught to hate or dislike as a Muslim is oppression. And I didn't even have to be taught that by any religion. how about the women in islam
How about the women in Christianity? Property? There's a difference between a religion teaching something, and people of a certain religion carrying out actions... if they do, it doesn't necessarily mean that the religion is teaching it.
Quote from: *Jamal* on February 15, 2005, 12:48:43 PMHow about the women in Christianity? Property? There's a difference between a religion teaching something, and people of a certain religion carrying out actions... if they do, it doesn't necessarily mean that the religion is teaching it.There's no way you can compare Christianity and Islam in their treatment of women.
Yes I can. If you want to talk about "Islamic countries" today, and Western countries, then you're right, I can't.
Quote from: *Jamal* on February 15, 2005, 12:56:08 PMYes I can. If you want to talk about "Islamic countries" today, and Western countries, then you're right, I can't. I assume you're talking about stuff from the Old Testament?
that was a different time and place
Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PMYou admitted that it doesn't all come from the Noble Qu'ran, so that's the end of that argument.Sharia is based on Islam. Islam comes from the Koran. Is this passage not in the Koran? Chapter 45: The Chapter of the Kneeling17 ...then we gave you a Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know... Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM Secondly, Saudi Arabia is not the "home" of Islam. Mekkah is the city we make pilgrimage too, and that city happens to be inside Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is not the home of Islam. Saudi got it's name from the Saudi royal family, the British backed the Saudi's and helped put them into power around World War 1. The last time the Muslims had a Caliphate and Islamic empire was in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire that was in Istanbull, Turkey. The Caliphate and the Ottoman was defeated in World War 1.So Mecca isn't the traditional "home" of Islam? I'd say it's the "home" of Islam just like Vatican City is the "home" of Catholicism. It's the "religious capital" of Islam.Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM First of all it's not practiced in a majority of Muslim countries, go to your little Islamichate.com websites and find me proof that it's practiced by a majority of Muslim countries, you can not back that statement up, it is a lie. As for the sun and the moon being Muslim, they are submitters to the will of the Creator, and they do not deviate from their prescribed courses, us, on the other hand, although we were created by Allah, he has given us free will, and some people choose to reject the reality of their Creator.I wasn't aware that www.religousfreedom.com perched hate for Islam? Why is it every time somebody asks tough questions about your religion, your initial defense is anger instead of explanation?Perhaps I misspoke. Islam is mentioned in Sharia is practiced in some way/shape/form Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Afghanistan (before US invasion), parts of Nigeria, Egypt, Indonesia, and Canada. You can't deny that there's a powerful movement in Islamic countries (and any country with Muslim population) towards Sharia law. I think it's funny that you say we can reject the will of the creator. If people reject the will of the creator, wouldn't that make them apostates? Whats the punishment for being an apostate again?Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM Once again, if I'm lying then go to your IhateIslam.com website and find proof. What I said is not a lie. The American government forces me to pay taxes in this country. Likewise, in an Islamic country all people are required to pay taxes. Muslims are obligated to pay our religious tax, and non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizya tax.Many esteemed historians (including Maxime Rodinson, Bat Ye'or, and A.S. Tritton) have shown that it was money from the dhimmi’s, not from Muslims, that financed the early Islamic empires. Muslims paid nothing at all into the state treasury in the days when there were large populations (EX: Syria and Syria) of conquered Christians. Maxime Rodinson even points out that at certain times conversions to Islam were forbidden, as they were destroying the available tax base!
You admitted that it doesn't all come from the Noble Qu'ran, so that's the end of that argument.
Secondly, Saudi Arabia is not the "home" of Islam. Mekkah is the city we make pilgrimage too, and that city happens to be inside Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is not the home of Islam. Saudi got it's name from the Saudi royal family, the British backed the Saudi's and helped put them into power around World War 1. The last time the Muslims had a Caliphate and Islamic empire was in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire that was in Istanbull, Turkey. The Caliphate and the Ottoman was defeated in World War 1.
First of all it's not practiced in a majority of Muslim countries, go to your little Islamichate.com websites and find me proof that it's practiced by a majority of Muslim countries, you can not back that statement up, it is a lie. As for the sun and the moon being Muslim, they are submitters to the will of the Creator, and they do not deviate from their prescribed courses, us, on the other hand, although we were created by Allah, he has given us free will, and some people choose to reject the reality of their Creator.
Once again, if I'm lying then go to your IhateIslam.com website and find proof. What I said is not a lie. The American government forces me to pay taxes in this country. Likewise, in an Islamic country all people are required to pay taxes. Muslims are obligated to pay our religious tax, and non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizya tax.
Sharia is based on Islam. Islam comes from the Koran. Is this passage not in the Koran? Chapter 45: The Chapter of the Kneeling17 ...then we gave you a Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...
So Mecca isn't the traditional "home" of Islam? I'd say it's the "home" of Islam just like Vatican City is the "home" of Catholicism. It's the "religious capital" of Islam.
I wasn't aware that www.religousfreedom.com perched hate for Islam? Why is it every time somebody asks tough questions about your religion, your initial defense is anger instead of explanation?
I think it's funny that you say we can reject the will of the creator. If people reject the will of the creator, wouldn't that make them apostates? Whats the punishment for being an apostate again?
Many esteemed historians (including Maxime Rodinson, Bat Ye'or, and A.S. Tritton) have shown that it was money from the dhimmi’s, not from Muslims, that financed the early Islamic empires. Muslims paid nothing at all into the state treasury in the days when there were large populations (EX: Syria and Syria) of conquered Christians. Maxime Rodinson even points out that at certain times conversions to Islam were forbidden, as they were destroying the available tax base!
too personal
Quote from: Safar, 1426 Years After Hijrah on January 31, 2005, 07:14:10 AMtoo personalAllah, please help this man!!
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