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ok, before I tell you why... shall you read the following, remember, it's a theory about our 'energy' crisis, but it's quite interesting indeed. This is brain food. This will make you think. Even if this crisis is a boring topic, read it, I was quite impressed.

If you want a quick summary, I'll post one below. However, go to this site and read it... I mean it, read it all.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Summary
Well, it all deals with Oil... whether you believe it or not... we did not go to Iraq for Weapons Of Mass Destruction. We went to protect the oil reserves there. Why? Because our society and the whole world as a whole has become to dependent on this resource. If you don't know... Oil is not renewable (however there our theories that state it is) ... it doesn't grow from a tree, or live in some magic black sea... it's a resource created from Millions of tons of pressure under the earths crusts. It takes millions of years to achieve the amount of Oil that we had discovered in the early 20th century. The first Oil Drill was used in 1859. That's not even 150 years ago. However in the 20th century we discovered how potent oil was for our energy. Power Plants use oil, Cars, Boats, Planes, Motorcycles... all use oil. Plastic, which was a great creation... is created from oil... our society is TOO DEPENDENT on Oil... and guess what...

WE ARE RUNNING OUT... In fact, many theorists believe, that we only have a few years left.

FACT:
In the 1970's a bunch of geek/intelligent scientist got together to decide when we would run out of OIL... they said in the first decade of the next century. Well, it's 2005 now. We got five years left to see if it's true... and too many people, they believe it will be sooner.

FACT:
The U.S.A. populates 5% of the world total population

FACT:
We use 57% of the Oil's resources

Why is this a crisis?
Think about it... food comes from oil...it's shipped in trucks, boats and planes...with no oil, there is no transportation. Plastic is made from oil. It's cheap, it has become a great substitue for products we used to make out of metal.  Farmers use tractors and machinery that use oil... we need these abilities to keep up with our worlds demands... you can't expect a farmer to go out everyday and pull every corn stalk... not if you expect him to feed thousands of people. Maybe a town, but not a city, and definetly not a country....

What will happen?
The theory states that more than 4 billion people will die... our countries will have oil wars, in which we fight to conserve our final resource to stay prosperous... our cities will become concrete jungles with no life. Our civilization will have to backtrack to old colonial ways... and our kids will become scavengers of the goods we have years before... they will also revolt against us for not reserving our resources more wisely... most of us will starve to death as food won't be able to travel across states, countries and seas.

In other words... our tank is on empty...

Interesting...

read it though... the theory is called "peak oil" and our government is aware of it. They've been preparing for such drastic effects since 1977, when they announced that if it becomes necessary, use military forces to protect oil reserves... 28 years later...that's exactly what we're doing



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as far as using oil for energy, fusion will take care of that in the future  ;)
 

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How ironic..... the so-called, 3rd world, underdeveloped, uncivilized, nomads will be the only people not in chaos.  You know it's funny because they always critisize Islam for not being able to keep up with modernization, but it may end up that the people who are not "modern" will make the transition smoothly.

Maybe Africa, and islands like Indonesia will be the superpowers future, because they can survive without oil.  Societies that have become dependant on oil will suffer the most.   

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There are alternative fuel sources...look em up.
 

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There are alternative fuel sources...look em up.

"What About all the Various Alternatives

to Oil? Can't we Find Replacements?"





Many politicians and economists insist that there are alternatives to oil and that we can "invent our way out of this."



Physicists and geologists tell us an entirely different story.



The politicians and economists are selling us 30-year old economic and political fantasies, while the physicists and geologists are telling us scientific and mathematical truth. Rather than accept the high-tech myths proposed by the politicians and economists, its time for you to start asking critical questions about the so called "alternatives to oil" and facing some hard truths about energy.



While there are many technologically viable alternatives to oil, there are none (or combination thereof) that can supply us with anywhere near the amount of net-energy required by our modern monetary system and industrial infrastructure.



People tend to think of alternatives to oil as somehow independent from oil. In reality, the alternatives to oil are more accurately described as "derivatives of oil." It takes massive amounts of oil and other scarce resources to locate and mine the raw materials (silver, copper, platinum, uranium, etc.) necessary to build solar panels, windmills, and nuclear power plants. It takes more oil to construct these alternatives and even more oil to distribute them, maintain them, and adapt current infrastructure to run on them.



Each of the alternatives is besieged by numerous fundamental physical shortcomings that have, thus far, received little attention. For a detailed analysis of the various alternatives oil, go on to page two.
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This thread is a collection of Dumbasses.  One chicken Little, and one guy sticking up for "The Little Man", who just happens to be the exact opposite of his father, who he despises in his drunkeness. 


THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

The basic fallacy of the argument put forth in the first post is, 1. we cannot destroy the earth, we're much too insignificant and powerless to do that, and 2.  Since we're basically enlightened animals, all we ultimately need to keep 'the world' alive is the earth and the sun.  We could take all the oil we could find, pour it all over the ground, set it all on fire and burn it all up at one time.  Still the earth would go on. 

We could try to blow the earth up ourselves with Nuclear weapons, and still not destroy it, and there would still be survivors.  We cannot 'end the world', so saying "Our world will end very very soon" is just idiotic. 

I got an idea, lets all realize that our small minds cannot possibly understand something as great as the earth, and just live our little personal, insignificant lives the best we can, and while we're at it, be polite and courteous to the earth, instead of thinking we can save or destroy it.  It saves or destroys us. 
 

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The basic fallacy of the argument put forth in the first post is, 1. we cannot destroy the earth, we're much too insignificant and powerless to do that, and 2.  Since we're basically enlightened animals, all we ultimately need to keep 'the world' alive is the earth and the sun.  We could take all the oil we could find, pour it all over the ground, set it all on fire and burn it all up at one time.  Still the earth would go on. 

We could try to blow the earth up ourselves with Nuclear weapons, and still not destroy it, and there would still be survivors.  We cannot 'end the world', so saying "Our world will end very very soon" is just idiotic. 

I got an idea, lets all realize that our small minds cannot possibly understand something as great as the earth, and just live our little personal, insignificant lives the best we can, and while we're at it, be polite and courteous to the earth, instead of thinking we can save or destroy it.  It saves or destroys us. 

Don't worry, it's nothing to feel threatened and insecure about.  The author meant that our way of life and so-called standard of living was being threatened, he wasn't saying that the world would end.
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firstly nobody outside america....NOBODY....thought the US went to iraq looking for wmds or to oust saddam

coming to the oil situation.....it is running out and it will run out....but there are a lot of undiscovered oil fields in africa and west & nort asia which too will soon run out
that being said there are alternative energy sources...natural sources like...solar, wind, hydroelectric....right now people are too ignorant to make use of these sources but one day we will all have to....just installing solar cells on ur rooftop can take care of all ur household requirements....these will prolly become standard in approx 50 yrs with oil prices sky-rocketing



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This thread is a collection of Dumbasses.  One chicken Little, and one guy sticking up for "The Little Man", who just happens to be the exact opposite of his father, who he despises in his drunkeness. 


THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

The basic fallacy of the argument put forth in the first post is, 1. we cannot destroy the earth, we're much too insignificant and powerless to do that, and 2.  Since we're basically enlightened animals, all we ultimately need to keep 'the world' alive is the earth and the sun.  We could take all the oil we could find, pour it all over the ground, set it all on fire and burn it all up at one time.  Still the earth would go on. 

We could try to blow the earth up ourselves with Nuclear weapons, and still not destroy it, and there would still be survivors.  We cannot 'end the world', so saying "Our world will end very very soon" is just idiotic. 

I got an idea, lets all realize that our small minds cannot possibly understand something as great as the earth, and just live our little personal, insignificant lives the best we can, and while we're at it, be polite and courteous to the earth, instead of thinking we can save or destroy it.  It saves or destroys us. 

OUR WORLD will end...Do you know how dependent we are on this resource? OUR WHOLE WAY OF LIVING is depended on this resources and it's only been within the last 100 yrs in which we have used it. If there is no OIL... remember, we dont know how much there is... we only have an IDEA...anyway, with NO OIL, we would be screwed. We would have huge energy crisis everywhere... they seem to get them every summer in Cali and in NY ... we couldn't use machinary. We wouldn't be able to import or export goods. We would starting walking and biking everywhere because our cars would become decorations in our driveways. We would have no plastic, which is a petroleum bioproduct... Look in your room... how many plastic things are there... I have CD cases, a computer monitor, my keyboard, my printer, my stereo, all these things would have to be constructed some other way... WHICH IS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. If you burned all the oil in one shot, our way of living would be shot...

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Peak Oil is a myth.
 

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Se what doesn't check out is the fact that there are alternative resources for energy. That whole persuasive essay right there acts as if all we have remaining in terms of energy is oil.
 

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Peak Oil is a myth.

how is it a myth ? so there is a never ending supply of oil ??

i thought you had a little more common sense than that.
 

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You little clown.

Do you know anything about oil? Crude, Sweet, Tar sands, shale?

Don't ever try and tell me that I don't have common sense when it's clear that you're a fucking moron.


Oil, Oil Everywhere . . .

BY PETER HUBER AND MARK MILLS
Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

The price of oil remains high only because the cost of oil remains so low. We remain dependent on oil from the Mideast not because the planet is running out of buried hydrocarbons, but because extracting oil from the deserts of the Persian Gulf is so easy and cheap that it's risky to invest capital to extract somewhat more stubborn oil from far larger deposits in Alberta.

The market price of oil is indeed hovering up around $50 a barrel on the spot market. But getting oil to the surface currently costs under $5 a barrel in Saudi Arabia, with the global average cost certainly under $15. And with technology already well in hand, the cost of sucking oil out of the planet we occupy simply will not rise above roughly $30 a barrel for the next 100 years at least.

The cost of oil comes down to the cost of finding, and then lifting or extracting. First, you have to decide where to dig. Exploration costs currently run under $3 per barrel in much of the Mideast, and below $7 for oil hidden deep under the ocean. But these costs have been falling, not rising, because imaging technology that lets geologists peer through miles of water and rock improves faster than supplies recede. Many lower-grade deposits require no new looking at all.

To pick just one example among many, finding costs are essentially zero for the 3.5 trillion barrels of oil that soak the clay in the Orinoco basin in Venezuela, and the Athabasca tar sands in Alberta, Canada. Yes, that's trillion--over a century's worth of global supply, at the current 30-billion-barrel-a-year rate of consumption.

Then you have to get the oil out of the sand--or the sand out of the oil. In the Mideast, current lifting costs run $1 to $2.50 per barrel at the very most; lifting costs in Iraq probably run closer to 50 cents, though OPEC strains not to publicize any such embarrassingly low numbers. For the most expensive offshore platforms in the North Sea, lifting costs (capital investment plus operating costs) currently run comfortably south of $15 per barrel. Tar sands, by contrast, are simply strip mined, like Western coal, and that's very cheap--but then you spend another $10, or maybe $15, separating the oil from the dirt. To do that, oil or gas extracted from the site itself is burned to heat water, which is then used to "crack" the bitumen from the clay; the bitumen is then chemically split to produce lighter petroleum.

In sum, it costs under $5 a barrel to pump oil out from under the sand in Iraq, and about $15 to melt it out of the sand in Alberta. So why don't we just learn to love hockey and shop Canadian? Conventional Canadian wells already supply us with more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the Canadian tar is now delivering, too. The $5 billion (U.S.) Athabasca Oil Sands Project that Shell and ChevronTexaco opened in Alberta last year is now pumping 155,000 barrels per day. And to our south, Venezuela's Orinoco Belt yields 500,000 barrels daily.

But here's the catch: By simply opening up its spigots for a few years, Saudi Arabia could, in short order, force a complete write-off of the huge capital investments in Athabasca and Orinoco. Investing billions in tar-sand refineries is risky not because getting oil out of Alberta is especially difficult or expensive, but because getting oil out of Arabia is so easy and cheap. Oil prices gyrate and occasionally spike--both up and down--not because oil is scarce, but because it's so abundant in places where good government is scarce. Investing $5 billion over five years to build a new tar-sand refinery in Alberta is indeed risky when a second cousin of Osama bin Laden can knock $20 off the price of oil with an idle wave of his hand on any given day in Riyadh.
The one consolation is that Arabia faces a quandary of its own. Once the offshore platform has been deployed in the North Sea, once the humongous crock pot is up and cooking in Alberta, its cost is sunk. The original investors may never recover their capital, but after it has been written off, somebody can go ahead and produce oil very profitably going forward. And capital costs are going to keep falling, because the cost of a tar-sand refinery depends on technology, and technology costs always fall. Bacteria, for example, have already been successfully bioengineered to crack heavy oil molecules to help clean up oil spills, and to mine low-grade copper; bugs could likewise end up trampling out the vintage where the Albertan oil is stored.

In the short term anything remains possible. Demand for oil grows daily in China and India, where good government is finally taking root, while much of the earth's most accessible oil lies under land controlled by feudal theocracies, kleptocrats, and fanatics. Day by day, just as it should, the market attempts to incorporate these two antithetical realities into the spot price of crude. But to suppose that those prices foreshadow the exhaustion of the planet itself is silly.

The cost of extracting oil from the earth has not gone up over the past century, it has held remarkably steady. Going forward, over the longer term, it may rise very gradually, but certainly not fast. The earth is far bigger than people think, the untapped deposits are huge, and the technologies for separating oil from planet keep getting better. U.S. oil policy should be to promote new capital investment in the United States, Canada, and other oil-producing countries that are politically stable, and promote stable government in those that aren't.

Messrs. Huber and Mills are co-authors of "The Bottomless Well: The Twilight of Fuel, the Virtue of Waste, and Why We Will Never Run Out of Energy," just out from Basic Books.

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that proved no point yes theres lots of oil out there and the costs are different but it will always be controlled by supply and demand current demand has been out growing supply so price increases add in the cost of terrorism in the major oil supplier's countries and you reach todays price. however oil supplies are no not never ending and when the time comes in hundred years or whatever we had better had gotten our act together. Oil is created over millions of years and we are extracting it at a far higher rate than it is being produced.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?