Alcohol Poisoning why cant people say no?

[Đřšďĺ]

Alcohol is poison.  Even if you drink a drop of alcohol, to me that's alcohol poisoning.

its also good for you if you drink it every once in a while.

but yeh a lot of people are STUPID when they drink that much. whats the point of getting so drunk you act like a jackass, every1 makes fun of you, you throw your brains up, and then feel like shit?

[Trauma-san]

I better add more, since I read all the backlash Whitey got from it.  

I'm not saying people shouldn't drink.  I'm not saying stop drinking right now.  I'm saying Alcohol is poison.  Surely you can't deny that? It is, that's why it's attractive.  It poisons your body a little at a time, and poisons your mind so you can't think straight.  That's why people drink it.  

It's no SURPRISE to me that somebody that drinks gets alcohol poisoning.  If you play with a snake, you're going to get bit.

The funny thing is that people don't understand what happened, and shit like that.  Where you made the mistake was you PURPOSELY poisoned yourself, and then arrogantly thought that you could 'handle' it, or that you were stronger than the poison.  

All I'm saying is, if you choose to drink, or do drugs, then don't be surprised when BAD SHIT happens.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Alcohol is poison.  Even if you drink a drop of alcohol, to me that's alcohol poisoning.

its also good for you if you drink it every once in a while.

but yeh a lot of people are STUPID when they drink that much. whats the point of getting so drunk you act like a jackass, every1 makes fun of you, you throw your brains up, and then feel like shit?

Yeah, I'm not denying that there is some good in it.  Allah has said in the Noble Qu'ran that in alcohol there is some good, but that the bad outwieghs the good, so therefore Allah commands the Muslims (not the disbelievers) to stay away from it altogether.

[Thirteen]

a drop isn't poisonous and a glass of red wine with your supper is good for your heart

it won't get you drunk, won't make you miss work and beat your kids, won't make you fuck your best friends underage sister... none of that

[Trauma-san]

A drop IS poison.  By definition it's poison, it's science man, you can argue all you want, but you're just WRONG. 

[Thirteen]

then how come a glass of red wine a day has no harmful side effects but has beneficial ones?

yes too much alcohol is a poison, just like too much fat, too much sodium, too much caffeine

[Thirteen]

the scientific definition of alcohol just calls it a volatile series of hydroxyl carbons

volatile is defined as quick to evaporate or easily flammable.... no mention of poison is found in the scientific definition of alcohol... but of course like alot of things... if it's taken in large doses, it will kill

furthermore, this article doesn't seem to describe any poison i know of...

Alcohol and Total Mortality The bottom line is total mortality. What are the net effects on total mortality of alcohol? It depends on how much you drink: alcoholics do not live as long as abstainers, but moderate drinkers live longer than abstainers. In a study of almost 1 million Americans by the American Cancer Society, the risk of dying of any cause was related to the reported intake of alcohol of the participants. For both men and women, the risk was 21% lower for moderate drinkers than for abstainers. Data from the Copenhagen Heart Study had similar results. Deaths in that study attributable to excessive alcohol consumption were considerably fewer than deaths attributed to not drinking, with the excessive deaths in the abstainers primarily from their increased risk of heart disease and stroke.

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Continuing Reluctance to accept emerging scientific data on alcohol and health
by R. Curtis Ellison M.D
 When physicians talk about alcohol, it is generally in relation to alcohol abuse - a problem throughout the world that no one takes lightly. Some physicians have been reluctant to consider the new data pointing out many health benefits from moderate drinking. Similarly, public health officials and government regulatory agencies that have always focused on alcohol abuse find it difficult to incorporate emerging data on moderate drinking into their messages. This paper provides a brief overview on the relation of moderate alcohol consumption to health and disease, and illustrates the reluctance of some to accept new information or even attempts to spread misinformation about alcohol and health.
Early Studies on Alcohol and Health and "Political Correctness" In 1974, after the Framingham Heart Study, being supported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), had been in operation for more than 25 years, a report on the factors related to deaths from CHD was prepared. It contained strong evidence that individuals who smoked cigarettes, had high levels of blood cholesterol, and/or had high blood pressure were much more likely to die from heart disease.In the same paper there were also data showing a strong reduction in the risk of death from CHD from moderate drinking.

When the senior staff at NIH saw the information that moderate alcohol reduced the risk of mortality from heart disease, they demanded that the authors in Framingham remove it from the publication. Dr. Carl Seltzer, the scientist in Framingham who had analysed the alcohol data, revealed in 1997 that NIH officials notified him to not include the information on alcohol stating: "An article which openly invites the encouragement of undertaking drinking with the implication of prevention of CHD would be scientifically misleading and socially undesirable in view of the major health problem of alcoholism that already exists in the country." Further, they urged an article maintaining the "conclusion of no significant relationship of alcohol intake to the incidence of coronary heart disease" (which the data did not show). Many other scientists, however, began to publish information starting in the 1970s, with reports coming from studies around the world. The number of publications on moderate drinking increased markedly after the 60 Minutes program on the "French Paradox" in 1991. Of hundreds of studies published in the scientific literature on alcohol and heart disease over the past decade, the results have been amazingly similar: almost uniformly, they have demonstrated that moderate drinkers have much less coronary heart disease.

Mechanisms by Which Alcohol Reduces the Risk of Cardiovascular Diseases It is now clear that the rates of most types of cardiovascular disease(CHD, ischemic stroke, peripheral vascular disease, and congestive heart failure) are lower in moderate drinkers than in non-drinkers. Scientists have identified many mechanisms by which alcoholic beverages reduce the risk of CHD. The most-studied effect is on the levels of blood cholesterol. Any type of alcoholic beverage lowers the LDL-cholesterol (the "bad cholesterol") slightly; but even more importantly, markedly increases the levels of HDL-cholesterol, the "good cholesterol."

Moderate drinkers are also less likely to form clots within the arteries to the heart (leading to a myocardial infarction), to the brain (leading to stroke), and to other organs. Part of the protection against blood clots relates to the effects of alcohol on decreasing the "stickiness" of blood platelets (a function similar to aspirin); platelets tend to aggregate and lead to clots within arteries. The decrease in clotting is related both to alcohol and to non-alcoholic substances present in certain beverages, especially red wine and dark beers. Many of the effects on clotting are transient effects, and the beneficial effects may last only for 24-36 hours after someone has consumed alcohol. Much of the protection against heart disease of the French may relate to drinking with meals every day. Drinking only on the weekend, especially "binge drinking," is an unhealthy way to drink.

The scientific literature is increasingly demonstrating that alcohol has numerous other effects that relate to the development of atherosclerosis or heart disease. Some of these effects are due to antioxidants, particularly high in red wine, that decrease the oxidation of the harmful LDL-cholesterol; oxidation makes LDL more likely to be incorporated into the vessel wall and lead to atherosclerosis. Further, alcohol is now known to have favourable effects directly on the lining of blood vessels, the vascular endothelium, which is intimately involved in the development of atherosclerosis and heart disease. While heavy drinkers tend to be more likely to develop hypertension (high blood pressure), itself an important risk factor for coronary disease, it is now known that light-to-moderate drinkers have no increase in the risk of hypertension. Other potentially important effects of alcoholic beverages are improvements in glucose metabolism: moderate drinkers are less likely to develop diabetes, and diabetics who drink moderately are less likely to have a heart attack. Another factor in the protection from alcohol and wine relates to their inhibition of inflammation, which is now realised to be an important factor in the development of atherosclerosis.

Beneficial Effects of Moderate Drinking on Non-vascular Diseases Another common disease associated with ageing is osteoporosis.In many studies, moderate drinking increases bone mineral density, and reduces the risk of osteoporosis and hip fracture. Other diseases shown to occur less frequently in moderate drinkers than in abstainers include gall bladder disease and kidney stones. But the most exciting recent scientific findings are that moderate drinkers have lower rates than abstainers of Alzheimer’s Disease and dementia. Studies in the Framingham Study, and from France, Holland and Australia show that moderate drinkers tend to have better memory and cognitive functioning, and are less likely to develop dementia. The mechanisms for such protection may relate to prevention of atherosclerosis in the blood vessels supplying the brain. In addition, recent reports have emphasized that moderate alcohol consumption reduces the risk of infection with many types of bacteria or viruses. The most recent paper showed that food poisoning from salmonella was considerably lower among guests who consumed alcohol.

Adverse Health Effects of Drinking There are many adverse health effects from drinking too much, or drinking inappropriately (as just before driving). Heavy drinking can lead to cardiac problems such as heart muscle disease (cardiomyopathy) or sudden problems with the heart beat (arrhythmias) that can lead to sudden death.There are a large number of serious neurological diseases that may occur among alcoholics, plus a number of other diseases referred to as "alcohol-related diseases," that include cancer of the mouth, throat, and esophagus and cirrhosis of the liver; these are not diseases of moderate drinkers. The only important chronic disease that may relate to moderate drinking is breast cancer. Many studies have shown that the risk of breast cancer is increased by alcohol consumption, with an estimated increase in risk of about 10% for women averaging one drink per day. But the data are not consistent, in our review of 5,000 women in the Framingham Study, followed for 25-50 years (which is until death for almost one half of them), we found no increase at all in breast cancer risk for women who consumed alcohol. Even if there were a 10% increased risk of breast cancer for consuming one drink per day, one must realise that the same amount of alcohol has a much greater effect on reducing the risk of more common causes of death: CHD and stroke. Thus, post-menopausal women who drink moderately have, on average, a net health benefit from their moderate consumption. Further, recent data from the Nurses’ Health Study suggest that women who are consuming adequate folate in the diet have no increased risk of breast cancer from moderate drinking.

Alcohol and Total Mortality The bottom line is total mortality. What are the net effects on total mortality of alcohol? It depends on how much you drink: alcoholics do not live as long as abstainers, but moderate drinkers live longer than abstainers. In a study of almost 1 million Americans by the American Cancer Society, the risk of dying of any cause was related to the reported intake of alcohol of the participants. For both men and women, the risk was 21% lower for moderate drinkers than for abstainers. Data from the Copenhagen Heart Study had similar results. Deaths in that study attributable to excessive alcohol consumption were considerably fewer than deaths attributed to not drinking, with the excessive deaths in the abstainers primarily from their increased risk of heart disease and stroke.

Alcohol as Part of a "Healthy Lifestyle" The definition of a "healthy lifestyle" generally includes not smoking, not being obese, exercising regularly, and eating a balanced diet. We now have good scientific data suggesting that we can add alcohol to that definition. Two recent publications from the Nurses’ Study defined a "healthy lifestyle" that, in their data, was associated with 75% fewer heart attacks and more than 90% fewer cases of diabetes! It is also probable that this lifestyle would reduce the risk of most cancers, and would surely lead to greater longevity of life. This healthy lifestyle is defined in the table below:

Definition of a "Healthy Lifestyle"

Avoid obesity (BMI < 25) Consume a healthy diet (high in fiber and unsaturated fat and low in trans fat and glycemic load)

Engage in moderate to vigorous physical activity (for at least half an hour per day);Avoid smoking Consume at least one half of a typical drink of an alcoholic beverage per day. (based on Stampfer, et al, New Eng J Med 2000; Hu, et al, New Eng J Med 2001)

Should Everyone Drink Alcohol? Despite the strong scientific data showing that moderate drinkers have much less heart disease and stroke, and that they live longer, no one is suggesting that everyone should drink alcoholic beverages. There are some who find any drinking to be against their religious or ethical beliefs; and there are some people who have certain medical conditions that make it inadvisable for them to drink. On the other hand, people who are at risk of CVD (most middle-aged men and most post-menopausal women) should be informed that moderate drinking is one lifestyle habit that may reduce the risk. The UK Department of Health in its "Report on Sensible Drinking" released in 1995, stated the following: "While some people do not wish to take up drinking, for religious or other reasons, or there may be medical grounds for them not to do so (and such individuals should make other lifestyle changes to improve health and lower the risk of coronary heart disease), middle aged or elderly men and post menopausal women who drink infrequently (less than one unit per day) or not at all may wish to consider the possibility that light drinking might benefit their health."

Challenges to the Message of Health Benefits of Moderate and Responsible Drinking There continue to be challenges to the scientific data on the health benefits of moderate drinking. Many of us are frequently called upon by journalists, other scientists, and the industry to comment on certain new studies on alcohol and health. Further, there continue to be mis guided statements that exaggerate the dangers of moderate drinking and question its health benefits: Example : An "American Heart Association Advisory on Wine & Health" was published by Goldberg et al in Circulation, 2001. The advisory suggested that wine and alcohol consumption has little scientific basis for lowering heart disease risk, has many potential dangers, and that alcohol should not be advised for the prevention of heart disease. Further, it stated that hypertensive people should avoid alcohol, and suggested that alcohol is not very effective in raising HDL cholesterol.

In the response from our Institute (published in Circulation, 2001), we pointed out that the advisory fails to mention numerous experiments showing that alcohol raises HDL quite markedly. Further, we stated that recent studies (ignored in the advisory) showed that moderate drinking decreases the risk of complications and death from congestive heart failure.We argued that the statement in the advisory that "Patients who are hypertensive should avoid alcoholic beverages," is not based on scientific data and could be dangerous -hypertensive patients are at greatly increased risk of heart disease and stroke, two diseases that would be much more likely if such patients avoided alcohol completely. We concluded our response: "In a culture where cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death, telling people to avoid any alcohol consumption because of potential dangers or ‘unproven’ theories is not in the best health interests of the public. Let us not be afraid to just tell the truth."

Conclusions It is important that physicians, government officials, and the public have scientifically sound information upon which to base decisions regarding alcohol and health. Some of the reluctance of those who deal with abuse to present a balanced picture may relate to their fears of presenting a "mixed message." They prefer to emphasize the adverse effects of abuse and to have a simple "Just say no" message for all alcohol consumption. Unfortunately (or rather, fortunately!), a yes/no message does not work for alcohol in general. As with most things in life, excesses in habits, foods, or alcohol may have problems that are not inherent in the activities or substances themselves, but in their inappropriate use. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president of the US, stated "It has long been recognised that the problems with alcohol relate not to the use of a bad thing, but to the abuse of a good thing." There can never be a general recommendation for everybody to drink. On the other hand, I believe that it is unethical to withhold from the public sound advice on drinking and health. Accurate and balanced information needs to be presented to all - the message from scientists is now very clear: for most individuals in Western societies, moderate drinking can be an important component of a "healthy lifestyle."
 

[Don Seer]

A drop IS poison.  By definition it's poison, it's science man, you can argue all you want, but you're just WRONG. 

yes. but you wont die from a drop.

you have to abuse it to get poisoned.

the larger factor in this is self control.

if you drink too much, too fast, of varying strengths (mixing) etc etc you  will get fucked up.

then how come a glass of red wine a day has no harmful side effects but has beneficial ones?

yes too much alcohol is a poison, just like too much fat, too much sodium, too much caffeine

red wine contains anti-toxidants. they're not related to alcohol, just that particular drink.


to put this in perspective. potatoes are poisonous. if you eat too many you will die.
people dont binge eat potatoes because its hard to consume the amount needed.
alcohol is different because you can hit the limit with effort and it gives you a kick.


basically.. this all comes down to being responsible.
which ironically as alcohol lowers your inhibitions goes out the window for some when they drink.


at the end of the day.. if you get drunk, throw up, have a hangover, get poisoning or whatever..
its your fault.


there is no problem with people drinking repsonsibiliy and yes it is proven to be beneficial to your health in some cases.

however.. over here at least i believe society doesnt have enough

1) education against the dangers of drinking, about control, DUI (there is some on this..) etc etc.. over here lately people "drink till they fall" or end up in hospital from fighting..

2) support for alcoholics.. they _arent_ capable of getting themselves out of the hole due to their reliance on drink.. only when their faculties are already gone to they get looked after, if those dont go they end up homeless..

[Kill]

Alcohol is poison.  Even if you drink a drop of alcohol, to me that's alcohol poisoning.

your religion is also poison because when people take it real serious, they kill a whole shitload of people

sorry, but this is a stupid comment. It´s not about ´taking it real serious´, it´s about misinterprating it...that´s far from the same. Infinite  being dumb for his stubborn, apodictic, ambivalent and self-righteous narrow-minded preaching is a different thing

on topic,
1.) alcohol is poison, but we consume a lot of poison daily. Nicotine and caffeine are two poisons i consume every day, course it´s not good, but who doesn´t drink some coffee or Coke on the regular or at least once in a while? Few people....it´s all relative

2.) i vomited 2 or 3 times from alcohol and i was never hospitalized. basically i just know my limits even when i get really drunk and yeah, it´s kinda sad a lot of people don´t...like saturday evening we were chillin and smoking some weed and then all of a sudden an ambulance rushes to a spot right next to us and gets this kid we hadn´t seen before and he looks like a fuckin corpse...kinda sad really, but i´m not 100% sure it could NEVER happen to me, then i think you should at least always be aware when you might be about to take it THAT much too far

[white Boy]

i like to drink, i have thrown up, o well, im still learning my limits, but truthfully, id smoke a blunt over getting drunk any day, the only drinking i trully love is casually drinking beer, like with a meal or just 1 or 2 bottles when chillin

[Don Seer]

i threw up a few times friday night from too much alcohol.. the first time in years thats happened..

so what...  i had a great time.. was still in full control..
i knew i was gonan hurl way beforehand so got to the club loo's in plenty time..
hurled once before the taxi home.. was fine in the taxi and once home..
brushed my teeth, got in bed.. n was ok-ish the next day...

considering drank from 9pm -> 2:45am solid (club here kicks out at 3am..) didnt do too bad..

esp since i started on Jim Bean.. then lager.. then hit the vodka..

 

[Noname]

Alcohol is poison.  Even if you drink a drop of alcohol, to me that's alcohol poisoning.

your religion is also poison because when people take it real serious, they kill a whole shitload of people

Thats the most stupid comment i heard this year.

Hes right alcohol is poison for your body. I drink alcohol and smoke weed, but i know its not good. The best thing is not to smoke and drink at all. But thats very difficult.

[DAYUM]

seriously i never thrown up when i drink my friend says its cus i never drink on an empty stomach

[Don Seer]

or u aint drinkin the right (wrong?) shit.. try vodka.. lol..


like i said... i've gone years without throwin up.. and i ate fine the other night.. its just one of those things..

i was drinkin/dancin a lot.. so maybe the bouncing about didnt help



there is no "formula".. shit just happens...


and i'll tell you one thing about X that people use as an excuse to take it

people who take X claim they don't get hangovers! (obviously they drink at the same time!)

[DreSnoop00]

if your going to drink, then try and be careful,
everytime i'm driving, i never drink because i know how stupid drunk driving can get,
but I drink every once in a while,
because theres no way to stop people from drinking,
so the best thing to do is to try to be discplined and try the best to drink responsibly