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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2005, 01:26:28 PM »
that's awesome

infinite makes fun of the bible, says it's been altered so many times it's not trustworthy, and then admits part of the Koran are based on the bible

thats like saying "dude i made my house out of the shittiest material i could find, but it's the best house in the world"

Moses and Jesus were both messengers of Allah, so ofcourse Muhammad's (pbuta) message is going to confirm that which was revealed before.  Every prophet, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Jesus, Muhammad, all prophets known and unknown all carried the same message; To Worship God (Allah) Alone With No Partner, and To Do Righteous Good Deeds.  Then, years after Jesus had already passed away, Paul comes along and starts preaching that Jesus is God, and leads many people astray.  Yet Jesus' message was the same as all the messengers and Prophets of God (Allah);To Worship God (Allah) Alone With No Partner, and To Do Righteous Good Deeds.

So this is why the Qu'ran is similar to the Bible and Torah because the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran is a revelation from Allah, just as the origional Torah and Gospel were revelations from Allah... however, Paul lead many astray teaching Jesus was God, and much of the origional texts have been changed and altered; the previous prophets were often sent to a specific people for a specific time and a specific period during the evolutionary scale; yet Muhammad (pbuh) being the last and final messenger was sent to all of mankind and the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran and the language of Arabic have remained pure for over 1,400 years, because Allah has decreed it, and Allah is the best of planners!

we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....

now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect
 

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Re: Muhammad plagiarised the bible ? misinterpretations in the Qu'ran...
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2005, 01:29:03 PM »
Abdul, you adressed the points i didnt quite prove, but why didnt you defend the points i raised that have legitimate proof ??



the Qu'ran doesn't specify whether it is Ishamel or Isaac who is to be sacrificed (Surah 37:100-107).
The important point here is that the Bible does clearly specify that it was Isaac.

if you want to see the biblical account i will gladly post it up.

To introduce ambiguity to this account, by not specifying that it was Isaac who was chosen, is misrepresenting the biblical account, and removes not only the direct connection with Jesus but also has led to the Islamic misinterpretation that God rejected the Jews and made the Arabic people (those who become muslims) the chosen people instead. This view is supported by passages such as Surah 2:127.

feel free to check your copy of the Qur'an...

Now you ignored this post, i already posted it up but you blatantly ignored it... now go check the Qur'an, if what is stated here is incorrect, please enlighten us.

Once again, you failed to post the translation of those verses from the Noble Qu'ran that you have made baseless allegations against.

Atleast this time you have left the numbers of the verses, and I appreciate that much, so I have taken the liberty to post them myself, and now the readers can judge for themselves if these verses say anything that is against logic.

You claim that 37:100-107 have some error in them.  So I have posted those verses, so anyone reading them can clearly see there is nothing confusing or misleading about these verses.  Allah's revelation is high above your critisisms!

37:100-107 English translation

"O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.  
Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him,
he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice:
Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said:
"O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me,
if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"  
So when they had both submitted their wills
(to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
We called out to him "O Abraham!  "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" -
thus indeed do We reward those who do right.  For this was obviously a trial-  
And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:....."



.......^^^^^^ There is the verse for people to judge themselves.  There is nothing confusing about the above verse, what you are doing is pure conjecture, you are saying "why doesn't it say such and such like the Bible says", because it is not the Bible, it is the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran, and it high above your claim against it!

And here is 2:127 for everyone to read, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this verse, here it is so people can read for themselves, Allah is high above all that you claim!

2:127
And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.


^^^^^...Please tell me what bothers you about the above verse?   There is the verse you were in such an upheaval over, for everyone to see that the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran is high above all that you claim against it!  


 
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Re: Muhammad plagiarised the bible ? misinterpretations in the Qu'ran...
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2005, 01:34:49 PM »


we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....

now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect

The origional teachings of Jesus are pure, the Bible however, has altered Jesus' teachings.  The Noble Qu'ran is consistent with the origional (pure, unaltered) teachings of the Prophets Moses and Jesus. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2005, 01:51:30 PM »
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You claim that 37:100-107 have some error in them.  So I have posted those verses, so anyone reading them can clearly see there is nothing confusing or misleading about these verses.  Allah's revelation is high above your critisisms!

37:100-107 English translation

"O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.  
Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him,
he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice:
Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said:
"O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me,
if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"  
So when they had both submitted their wills
(to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
We called out to him "O Abraham!  "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" -
thus indeed do We reward those who do right.  For this was obviously a trial-  
And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:....."

 

why do you keep ignoring what i type out ?? this is what is wrong with the verse:
the Qu'ran doesn't specify whether it is Ishamel or Isaac who is to be sacrificed (Surah 37:100-107).

the whole point of it not stating who was sacrificed downplays Jesus and the Christian religion.


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2:127
And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
 

Is that the entire verse ? post up the next 3 verses if so please.
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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2005, 01:55:08 PM »


we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....

now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect

The origional teachings of Jesus are pure, the Bible however, has altered Jesus' teachings.  The Noble Qu'ran is consistent with the origional (pure, unaltered) teachings of the Prophets Moses and Jesus. 

how would Mohammed know the true teachings, when if the bible was changed it was changed 300 years before Mohammed's birth.
 

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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2005, 03:17:02 PM »


we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....

now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect

The origional teachings of Jesus are pure, the Bible however, has altered Jesus' teachings.  The Noble Qu'ran is consistent with the origional (pure, unaltered) teachings of the Prophets Moses and Jesus. 

wow you are truly ignorant if you think that Mohammad got the ONLY unaltered teaching of jesus and the bible...

the ONE original, unedited, perfect copy of the old testament somehow survived untouched through the ages, then jesus was born and his teachings were combined with the perfect unedited, original teachings of the old testament making the complete....perfect...original bible... then this was hidden from everyone, while the christian bible was butchered and altered into what we have today... then muhammad was born and the SOLE, unedited, perfect, original copy of the bible was given to him...?

and you dared to call yourself logical in that other thread...can you see the bullshit that spews forth from your fingertips, onto your keyboard?
you're a fucking moron... your statements in this thread are perfect proof that you don't know what it is you're talking about, and that you are a brainwashed little sheep
 

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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2005, 07:53:23 PM »


Is that the entire verse ? post up the next 3 verses if so please.


Yes, that was the whole verse, and I have no problem posting the next three as well.  But you haven't mentioned those till now, which makes it clear you are just making this up as you go, but here are the next three verses, and again you will find the Noble and Generous Qu'ran free from error, and as a mercy and giudance to the believers!

2:127 And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
2:128 "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
2:129 "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
2:130 And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
2:131 Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."



^^^^....And again, what was your problem with the above verses?  Did Allah not say something that you wanted him to say?  Or do you feel like Allah has again marginalized Jesus?   It is actually the Bible which is false in it's teachings because it ascribed Jesus as a partner to God, but God is higher than that which you associate!  All the Qu'ran has done is re-established Allah as the supreme ruler of mankind and elevated the Creator (Arabic: Allah- Eng. God) to his rightful place high above the creation!



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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2005, 07:55:16 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2005, 07:57:47 PM »


we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....

now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect

The origional teachings of Jesus are pure, the Bible however, has altered Jesus' teachings.  The Noble Qu'ran is consistent with the origional (pure, unaltered) teachings of the Prophets Moses and Jesus. 

how would Mohammed know the true teachings, when if the bible was changed it was changed 300 years before Mohammed's birth.

Because Muhammad was inspired by God (Allah) to reveal the Noble Qu'ran. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2005, 08:00:30 PM »


wow you are truly ignorant if you think that Mohammad got the ONLY unaltered teaching of jesus and the bible...

the ONE original, unedited, perfect copy of the old testament somehow survived untouched through the ages, then jesus was born and his teachings were combined with the perfect unedited, original teachings of the old testament making the complete....perfect...original bible... then this was hidden from everyone, while the christian bible was butchered and altered into what we have today... then muhammad was born and the SOLE, unedited, perfect, original copy of the bible was given to him...?

and you dared to call yourself logical in that other thread...can you see the bullshit that spews forth from your fingertips, onto your keyboard?
you're a fucking moron... your statements in this thread are perfect proof that you don't know what it is you're talking about, and that you are a brainwashed little sheep

Muhammad (pbuh) didn't need to uncover any text, he was recieving the revelation from his Lord and Creator, Allah!  Allah is the same God that had previously inspired other prophets known and unknown such as Moses and Jesus.  God has always been the same, he is the One, the Only, the Eternal Absolute.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2005, 08:28:02 PM »


wow you are truly ignorant if you think that Mohammad got the ONLY unaltered teaching of jesus and the bible...

the ONE original, unedited, perfect copy of the old testament somehow survived untouched through the ages, then jesus was born and his teachings were combined with the perfect unedited, original teachings of the old testament making the complete....perfect...original bible... then this was hidden from everyone, while the christian bible was butchered and altered into what we have today... then muhammad was born and the SOLE, unedited, perfect, original copy of the bible was given to him...?

and you dared to call yourself logical in that other thread...can you see the bullshit that spews forth from your fingertips, onto your keyboard?
you're a fucking moron... your statements in this thread are perfect proof that you don't know what it is you're talking about, and that you are a brainwashed little sheep

Muhammad (pbuh) didn't need to uncover any text, he was recieving the revelation from his Lord and Creator, Allah!  Allah is the same God that had previously inspired other prophets known and unknown such as Moses and Jesus.  God has always been the same, he is the One, the Only, the Eternal Absolute.

so god didn't know that jesus' mother's name was mary and mixed her up with the one from the old testement? very strange
 

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2005, 09:00:15 PM »


wow you are truly ignorant if you think that Mohammad got the ONLY unaltered teaching of jesus and the bible...

the ONE original, unedited, perfect copy of the old testament somehow survived untouched through the ages, then jesus was born and his teachings were combined with the perfect unedited, original teachings of the old testament making the complete....perfect...original bible... then this was hidden from everyone, while the christian bible was butchered and altered into what we have today... then muhammad was born and the SOLE, unedited, perfect, original copy of the bible was given to him...?

and you dared to call yourself logical in that other thread...can you see the bullshit that spews forth from your fingertips, onto your keyboard?
you're a fucking moron... your statements in this thread are perfect proof that you don't know what it is you're talking about, and that you are a brainwashed little sheep

Muhammad (pbuh) didn't need to uncover any text, he was recieving the revelation from his Lord and Creator, Allah!  Allah is the same God that had previously inspired other prophets known and unknown such as Moses and Jesus.  God has always been the same, he is the One, the Only, the Eternal Absolute.

so god didn't know that jesus' mother's name was mary and mixed her up with the one from the old testement? very strange

Exactly, now you're getting it. God is a busy guy and doesn't have time to remember which girls he impregnates. He's a gangsta.
 

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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2005, 09:39:57 PM »
What you guys say is purely based on conjecture and false interpretation.

I posted the verses above from the Noble Qu'ran and no evidence of error was to be found in them!
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2005, 09:41:17 PM »
What you guys say is purely based on conjecture and false interpretation.

I posted the verses above from the Noble Qu'ran and no evidence of error was to be found in them!
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2005, 04:45:52 AM »
OK Abdul Infinite, once again you ignored the fact that the Qur'an doesnt state WHO is to be sacrificed in the Verse no. i gave... it doesnt matter anymore.

it's obvious i didnt research the Qur'an myself, i just read up on a number of interpretations which is what i rely my information on. So basically I'm relying on someone elses opinion, this matter we could discuss for years, and no-one will get no-where... i just thought of posting up these articles to possibly give you a different perspective, that the Muslim teachings arent perfect.

Also dont forget the Qur'an wasnt written by Mohammed, it wasnt written until atleast 50 years after his death. The Qur'an is all about Chinese whispers, the Bible was written directly by Jesus' prophets then all the books were brought together and the most important books were kept for the bible... In total there are around 66 books.

Arabic people always had a hate towards blacks and whites, from Egyptian times they thought they were better, i saw this with my own eyes because i have been to the Cairo museum, our Arabic tour guide explained to us what the Canes symbolised, on the handle they had a Jew bent backwards and a Black man bent backwards, ill find a picture on the net and post it up.

My theory is the Arabic people didnt want to believe in a Jewish savior, Mohammed came along and the people loved the idea the last prophet is from islam so they believed... Everyone here knows if you want to believe something its all to easy to force yourself.

My main argument that the Qur'an is false is because Mohammed knew of the old Testament, he changed one of the commandments sent directly from God "Thy shall not covet thy wife". How could the final prophet (a prophet is not to sin) just put in the Qur'an it is ok to discipline the wife and have up to 4 wives... why did he state 4 wives ? if more than 1 then why not as many as you want ?. And why is it he had 12 wives ? what he went against his own teachings from Gabriel ? if it was true (the fact that Gabriel spoke to him) why didnt he fear the wrath of God having more than 4 wives ?


The only thing i can conclude from this, no religion is perfect, but in my perspective Christianity is the most consistent and reliable source to trust, where all the morals and values are in touch. I think the Muslim religion is built on false pretenses.
 

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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2005, 11:28:11 PM »
Moses plagerized the Egyptian Scrolls to write the Bible.
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2005, 06:07:25 AM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It'd be nice if you atleast attempted to back up your claim.
 

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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2005, 06:23:52 AM »
this "which son" argument is a huge argument and pretty much cant be solved.




how the fuck can this dude call himself an imam?


you're no fucking leader infnite, and you're no fucking teacher.


you systematically only answer those you think you have an answer to. and ignore any post that you dont have an answer for.

in short.. you only pick the easy replies and avoid the main subject if it will make you look bad.

in the end you always end up looking bad anyways.






as there are facts here plain as day that cant be contradicted being ignored.

your ability to blindly see things only your way still astounds me.. never have i ever come across someone so unable to accept contradictory facts or evidence even when literally beat around the head with it.. i dont know the word to use.. there must be one..




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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2005, 06:42:23 AM »
What you guys say is purely based on conjecture and false interpretation.

I posted the verses above from the Noble Qu'ran and no evidence of error was to be found in them!

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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2005, 09:33:49 AM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It'd be nice if you atleast attempted to back up your claim.

that was an attempt at a joke...
 

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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2005, 08:50:25 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It'd be nice if you atleast attempted to back up your claim.

that was an attempt at a joke...


I'm not sure what you mean, but I just wanted to see how Moses ripped of the Egyptian scrolls. No jokes attempted.
 

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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2005, 04:31:06 AM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It'd be nice if you atleast attempted to back up your claim.

that was an attempt at a joke...


I'm not sure what you mean, but I just wanted to see how Moses ripped of the Egyptian scrolls. No jokes attempted.

i interpreted his statement that Moses plaguerised the egyptian scrolls as a joke... it's obvious Moses didnt, the ancient Egyptians had how many Gods ? i think he was sayin it just to say it...
 

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2005, 02:29:05 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It'd be nice if you atleast attempted to back up your claim.

that was an attempt at a joke...


I'm not sure what you mean, but I just wanted to see how Moses ripped of the Egyptian scrolls. No jokes attempted.

i interpreted his statement that Moses plaguerised the egyptian scrolls as a joke... it's obvious Moses didnt, the ancient Egyptians had how many Gods ? i think he was sayin it just to say it...

Oh, my bad. I thought it was another one of these afrocentrics with another blacks created everything and whites ripped it off. I've heard it so many times I guess I just assumed what was meant.
 

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Re: Muhammad plagiarised the bible ? misinterpretations in the Qu'ran...
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2005, 03:52:49 PM »
i haven't read all the replies
but in islam our belief is quran was CREATED by GOD just like he created man and teh whole universe and mohammad's role was to spread it, hence the name messenger he is the messenger of GOD to us

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