It's April 17, 2024, 01:17:35 PM
*sigh* This discussion is over.
pete rock is a genius . period. download "Today" by Tom Scott and you'll see why.crate diggin and dissectin a sample takes a whole lotta skill. its just somethin your born with the ability to do ............ otherwise WE WOULD ALL be in the studio makin beats.
Well, my .02 cents is this:Dre and Premier, as far as hiphop goes, are in a class by themselves. Rza is a different species to me, he may not be the most talented in the world, but he's got an ear like dre's, he knows what sounds good. And homie earlier made a great point about how simple the chronic is. All it is is layers of loops in and out, in and out. But it sounds great, so whoever's responsible (dre) gets major props, which he deserves. Rza does crazy, crazy stuff, he's great at making strange samples work, although I'm not feeling his recent stuff as much. "Shame on a nigga" was probably my favorite Rza track. Crazy sample.
this is what i'm talking about, i get dissed for my facts, and get called ignorant, but when i proove my case, this all these people can say
THANK YOU , you just proooved my point for me, that's DJ'ing, and that's what a skilled DJ does......producers do somethig TOTALLY different
RAP production equipment that pioneering DJ's used/usei never said it was a crime to sample i'm just saying there's a difference between using a few scattered samples here and there which basically every producer does literally, and basing your whole career and production formula around that....which differents you from being a producer and a dj
wow and people say i ride dr. dre too much, and i get over hyped when they talk about dre negatively... i've done this more than once and i'll do it again ::sighs::this is the basic blue print of dj premierfirst the drum beat. as anyone who knows how to structure a song, the drum is usually your first layer. seeing how it sets the tempo for the entire song , and anything off tha tempo shouldn't be mixed in. anyways dj premier either A) digs in his vast collection of vynals and finds a 3-5 secnd peice of drumming.....lets knab lars ulrich's 'sad but true' for this dj premier beat ok, premo then processes that through a sampler and knabs that shit up and loops it. seems simple, looks simple, IS simple...i've done it plenty of times in class. then theres usually a 2nd and more 'cliche' way of making a drum beat ....oh yes the infamous overused typical rap drum beat used soooooooo many times in rap that i've practically heard every rap producer use in their more uninspired times. for example the very CLICHE basshead basshead , snare. but i'll give premo the benifit of the doubt here and we're using the metallica lineok second anyone whose studied music knows that drum and bass are very connected (that's why u almost always see bassists in concerts face or stand very near to the drummer, becuase they feed off one another) the drum and bass combo usually works best when the bass hits a note or two and in between pauses in the bass notes the drum crashes or clicks (which is displayed pretty well in the korn song blind) I know premo is a smart man and it's going to be prettyhard /impossible to succesfully blend another bass line with that drum line we picked out...so premo has no choice really but to use the same bass. so let's run that through and loop the same timings together, and layer it with the drum linedj premier never really gets more than 5 layers deep (including rap vocals) so we're almost donenow it's time to add dj premier's excellent scratching abilities (which are not overrated and you can't take away from) hmmm what work nice with this 'hardcore' beat we got going that premo could bust out the techniques and scratch in some vocal samples with....how about using some lines from inspectah deck and kurupt where kurupt says " hardcore" then deck is scratched in saying" like porno flick pictures"...Premo scratches that in with his tech's and layers that into his beattheres still something missing something little like chimes or somthing like bells.... AH HAH! BELLS primo can use the bell at the begining of 'hells bells' from ac/da. dope, just run that trough and precisly layer it for the bell to 'gong' or whatever on the snare hit of the drum every other melody bar or so ladies and gentleman ....we have a beat all we got to do now is sell it to nas or somebody as a matter of fact this beat DOES sound intriging and very tight....but did we produce anything here? no not really, we just took some shit we liked and mixed it together and did what most dj's do in clubs in battles or at party's ....take something already out there and mix it with something else...that's why he's called DJ premier, lol, we didn't creat any new sound scapes we just mixed exisisting sound scapes together. this is the equivalent of mixing an apple and an orange together in the blender . sure it tastes good but that didn't produce a new fruit did it? noi'm not specifically nailing dj premier becuase theres alot of rap 'producers' that do this. dr. dre even did it on SOC. i'm also not saying this sux or this takes no skill but i'm saying ,compared to what quincy jones or George Clinton did with their OWN melodies that they made from their own head THAT was real production, and what we just did isn't , we were just acting as mixers/dj's.oh yeah just to piss off KVB , cuz i'm sure he's not going to read my post all the way through to see what i said, just skim through and take what i say out of context......i'm going to say this... DJ PREMIER IS AN OVERRATED PRODUCER
first the drum beat. as anyone who knows how to structure a song, the drum is usually your first layer. seeing how it sets the tempo for the entire song , and anything off tha tempo shouldn't be mixed in. anyways dj premier either A) digs in his vast collection of vynals and finds a 3-5 secnd peice of drumming.....lets knab lars ulrich's 'sad but true' for this dj premier beat
as a matter of fact this beat DOES sound intriging and very tight....but did we produce anything here? no not really, we just took some shit we liked and mixed it together and did what most dj's do in clubs in battles or at party's ....take something already out there and mix it with something else...that's why he's called DJ premier, lol, we didn't creat any new sound scapes we just mixed exisisting sound scapes together. this is the equivalent of mixing an apple and an orange together in the blender . sure it tastes good but that didn't produce a new fruit did it? no
i'm not saying this to dis you butexcuse me HOW many fucking music appreciation classes have you taken?? how many fucking production classes have you taken?? when the fuck did you get a scolorship to study musicology, how many hours have you spent disecting and studying the works of Bach, Betoveen, Mostsart, and all the great composers with professionals with degrees in this field........i got 50 bucks that says you've done sqaut in this arearza is overrated , the whole one bar looop thing you just admitted to is all the proof i need that he's overrated and simplisticcomercial beats that i like?? man my tastes in music far expand deeper than you and probably everyon on this board so kill that noise. i'm sorry i've grown out of being pleased by bass bass snare drum lines and 2 note loops from a piano/keyboard....my bad, i'm sorry but there's no genius in overused loops, i even get pissed when dre does it and that's why i can't stand punk rockman i coud go on for days so please don't try to question my knowledge of music just because you make a couple of cheap beats on fruity loops
Yo... I'm in music appreciation, Beathoven, Back, those cats ain't shit, they made music for the King, it's like today if some "geniuses" made music for president Bush, to please him and the wealthy class of freemasons, it would be wack, the real music is in the streets, from the streets, for the streets, that's where the true genius comes from, neccessity, like hip-hop, they created their own art form out of neccessity. Robert Moses had Brooklyn all fucked up because of the Cross Bronx expressway. Hip-hop saved Brooklyn.